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Yes. Lies about SEX. He lied to a grand jury about SEX. CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.

Which is why it can be simplified down to being impeached for cheating on his wife. That's all they were able to get him for. And it wasn't for lack of trying. Yes. He lied to a grand jury. He lied to a grand jury ABOUT SEX. So I think it's fair. Saying Clinton was impeached for cheating on his wife, I think, is a fair statement to make - in order to convey the utter trivia of this particular chapter in their nonstop persecution of him. I use that phraseology all the time. Helps to minimize and trivialize the impact of "ooooooh, he was IMPEACHED!!!!!!" Yeah. For lying about SEX. He didn't steal. He didn't embezzle. He didn't cheat on his taxes. He didn't lie about why we had to go to war. He didn't tank the economy. He didn't shoot somebody in the face. He didn't torture anybody or order it or sanction it. He didn't loot the White House or try to pocket a bunch of trinkets which is apparently what the GOP does in Virginia on the way out of the governor's mansion (and the Clinton-haters lied about THIS, too - spreading lies about the outgoing Clinton crew trashing the offices and computers - which WAS. NOT. TRUE. AND. PROVEN. TO. BE. A. LIE.). He cheated on his wife. And the ken starr/republi-CON politically-motivated and richard mellon scaife-financed inquisition launched against him by a whole host of Sore Losermen from BEFORE he even got into the White House went through his frickin' underwear drawers and bellybutton lint, splitting hairs and manipulating and maneuvering phraseology and complicated grand jury questioning til they found something ridiculously puny and off-the-beaten-track that they could hang him with. So I think, as we fight back, it's a fair characterization to make. Hell, they didn't play fair all the way along, and were hell-bent on persecuting him and trying to remove him from office. So, frankly, I feel no such obligation to feed into or reinforce what they would argue on this point.

The more important message, I think, is to make sure that this ridiculously foolish persecution (and I DO call it a "persecution," as opposed to a "prosecution") is viewed for what it is. And that is: a ridiculously foolish, partisan, politically-motivated revenge jizz simply because Clinton had the nerve to shove their precious lord george hw bush out of his entitled "rulership" in the White House and deny him the second term which they assumed was his absolute unquestionable birthright. He was owed, after all. It was his turn.

Because, the bottom line here is what I call the "World's Biggest Entitlement Program." And it sure as hell isn't food stamps. It's not welfare. It's not unemployment insurance. It's not Social Security. It's not even the ACA. The "World's Biggest Entitlement Program" is the attitude of the GOP that IT ALONE is entitled to rule. The GOP is asserting a "divine right," if you will, and many of them DO insist that it's God's will, too. That IT ALONE should be ensconced in the White House. That IT ALONE should reign and set the agenda and tell everybody else how to live and what to think and how to feel. That IT ALONE should determine how we live, what we believe, who we pray to, who we should accept as "real" Americans, what we buy, what we pay for all those things we're supposed to buy, and how we vote (and who's even allowed to vote). The GOP is just simply supposed to govern, and to rule. Because. Because Benghazi or because impeachment or whatever the buzz word is this week.

Just saying'.

Welcome to DU, GOLGO 13!

Glad you're here! Actually, that's exactly what I do call it in regular conversation. I used to word it that way when I was on the air handling the local news on radio back in the 70s and 80s. It's a "fair and balanced" and accurate label, after all, is it not? I used to enjoy sneaking little things in like that. For example whenever I had a story about reagan returning to his Santa Barbara ranch for his 57th vacation in the last six months, I ALWAYS worded it "...yet ANOTHER California vacation." With as sweet and measured a voice as I could. I used to look for opportunities to do that whenever and wherever I could. Nobody in upper management ever said anything - I don't think anybody was paying that much attention or even noticed. But I was able to get the subliminal message transmitted.

And it's EXCELLENT that you pointed that out! SMART! It's a superb point to make and a very lovely little subtle tactic to use. Words can be very effective weapons when used shrewdly and strategically. You can draw a little blood without your targets even realizing they've been cut.

Needs to be done. SERIOUSLY.

I've always fantasized about giving them some "opportunity" to Play Fair with America - tell 'em "go ahead! Outsource anything you want. Freedom-freedom! Fine! Go overseas. Get rid of all your expensive and demanding American work force for the fabulous cheap-ass labor elsewhere! Party on!!!


In exchange for that wonderful freedom-freedom, EVERY SINGLE bolt, EVERY SINGLE car, EVERY SINGLE pharmaceutical molecule, EVERY SINGLE component, EVERY SINGLE EVERYTHING (AND all those packaged-up-in-bulk, too, of course) that's thus manufactured overseas will carry a penalty fee of DOUBLE OR maybe even TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE what it cost you to pay an American worker's wage to manufacture whatever it is. So go ahead! Knock yerselves out. And that's whether you import those items back here to the U.S. for sale, or sell them only to other overseas clients. Go ahead! Have fun. But you will discover rather quickly that it WON'T be the cheap-ass way out that you thought it was gonna be. And it WON'T save you or your precious shareholders any money. Rather, it will COST you far more. And those "expensive" American wages will suddenly start to look like a bargain."

Make it cheaper to keep it in America and hire in America and make it in America and build in America. Make it exponentially more costly to try to cheat your way out of paying by going overseas. The costs for that should be NOSE-BLEED HIGH. They can still do it. But MAN would it fuck 'em in the pocketbook! That's the only thing they understand and the only language they speak. I don't care about the argument they present that it improves the cost of living in those other countries and then those folks can afford to buy our stuff. FUCK THAT! Besides, what guarantee do you have that they WILL buy our stuff instead of German stuff or Japanese stuff or Russian stuff or Brazilian stuff or WHOEVER's stuff? I care about the cost of living in THIS country and whether OUR folks can afford to buy our stuff. It has to be made prohibitively and ridiculously expensive to outsource. There MUST be penalties that would send them straight to groping desperately for the Maalox bottle.

HERE: For the record, here are the other five "chapters"

(Introduction) Hey guys - if I may - I'd like to start a series of discussions regarding "Going On OFFENSE."

GOING ON OFFENSE Part One: Challenging the concept of the "Sincerely-Held Belief"

GOING ON OFFENSE Part Two: "Christians"? They sure don't act like Christians.

GOING ON OFFENSE Part Three: NEVER Underestimate the Enemy

GOING ON OFFENSE Part Four: Understanding the Enemy - Why They ARE Domestic Terrorists

GOING ON OFFENSE Part Five: Challenging the "Meh, Both Parties are the Same..."

"...share ideas"?????


That woman doesn't have Idea One in that empty head of hers. Except the one about getting her mug on TV as much as possible.

I keep thinking about our miss sarah. And I keep coming back to "honey, get it while you can, I suppose. Because your looks aren't gonna last you forever."

No, they HAVE really lost it. They have INDEED really lost it.

That's really all you need to know. They're crazed and going nuts because nothing they've tried to throw at him has stuck. They haven't awakened one golden day and realized the Obama administration was just a bad dream. They haven't been able to derail him. Slow him down a little but not much else. So they're grasping at straws. They're desperate to get rid of him and nullify his very existence and nothing else has worked for them to achieve that goal.

THAT MAKES IT EVER MORE URGENT that our side gets out the vote. VOTE!!! Make everyone you know go vote, too. Drive them there. Hold their place in line so they can go to the bathroom if you have to! GET YOUR ASS to the polling place and VOTE. And make sure your friends do, too!!!

AND I forgot a few. Will have to update the list. There's more than ten items that should be on it.

As in Climate Change. Science in schools. The needs of the Palestinians AS WELL AS the Israelis. The needs of Islamists versus Christians. That's life, too. If you're pro-life, then you HAVE TO, you MUST, you have NO OPTION OTHER THAN protecting and defending THEIR right to life, too.

Sorry, but that's how it is. Either you're truly, honestly, and credibly "pro-'life'", or you're not.

Yes. And that's what it should be called. republi-CON RAPE.

Where I come from, forcible entry into a woman's vagina whether she says yes or not - IS RAPE.

Except this is even more vile. This is state-sanctioned rape. Worse yet: State-MANDATED Rape.

And if you're REALLY "pro-life," you are COMPELLED to do these things, to back up what you say.

If they want all these unwanted babies to be born, then are THEY willing to step up and adopt them all? Feed them? Clothe them? Make sure they have something better than a dilapidated car or door stop somewhere, or homeless shelter? Educate them? Stimulate their creativity and their minds? Make sure they stay healthy? Raise them "right"? Or if you can't be bothered to do it yourself, are you prepared to pay taxes for the social services that pick up the slack and care for these unwanteds? Hello? Somebody? Anybody? What happens AFTER that baby's born? THAT is when you abandon it, pro-lifers? THAT is when you turn your backs and say - "okie dokey, you're on your own! Go get a job!"?

They have to be forced to OWN this. To understand what they're saying and OWN it. OWN IT ALL, in ALL its "glory." And I suspect that when they DO have to look at it more closely and a little more deeply down than just the surface sloganeering, they're gonna start questioning this belief. Some of the solid stands that hold up this whole phony canard will start weakening, and the whole construct won't stand up so straight or securely anymore. BECAUSE IT CAN'T!!! Or at least they might start becoming open to modifying it so it's not so extreme and closed-minded. Kinda like the stop sign that was finally set up on our street. NO it won't stop the speeders and the scofflaws. It hasn't. BUT, they HAVE had to slow down a little. And for those of us neighbors who have to cross the street or walk our dogs or push our baby strollers or whatever - even THAT is a welcome improvement.

Yes. Thank you! I would be honored.

I think we need to start attacking them at their supposed "strength." Hell, kkkarl rove made a career of it. Why can't we? Why is that somehow a no-no if assholes like him do it? I COMPLETELY disagree with those who say - "oh, but we CAN'T!" "We can't do what they're doing!" "If we stoop to their level, it makes us no better than those assholes!" And other such stuff.

And I say - SCREW IT!!!!! You gonna turn your nose up at what works? Just because the bad guys do it? Sorry to be so blunt, but the object here is to WIN. TO WIN. Because if you don't win, you don't govern. If you don't win, you don't set the agenda. If you don't win, you don't get to bring up the votes to the House. If you don't win, the OTHER side gets all those parliamentary privileges. If you don't win, you don't get to call the shots. If you don't win, you're always stuck on defense, always reacting instead of acting, always having to respond to somebody else's offensive - when that should be YOUR ideas starting and ending the discussion and getting the attention and the initiative. If you don't win, YOUR ideas and YOUR agenda don't get advanced. Hell, as we've seen, they don't even come UP! They aren't even allowed to be brought up for a vote. They're summarily shut out. So the best way to change that is to WIN.

I see this as a hidden weak spot that can be punched at and picked at and exploited and chipped away. Like they've done against Roe v Wade. Punched it and kicked it and weakened it and started picking it apart and fraying it around the edges, and now look at it. Like a galaxy of hungry moths attacked your best cashmere sweater. It's full of holes and in tatters and almost every leg it stood on has been eaten away, out from under it. Look at the ACA. Look what they're trying to do to THAT.

WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE DO THAT TO THEM???????? Taste of their own medicine! See how they like it! And seems to me this kind of approach also attacks, questions, and weakens a whole lot of other issues on their list as well. In addition, it starts to get to the bottom of the lazy approach to politics. Hang it on some buzz phrase or bumper sticker slogan that's quick and neat - and keep pounding that in, and pretty soon it becomes just kinda automatically accepted and verified without question. Nobody bothers to think about it, what it means, what it says, what it's over-arching consequences are. It's a notion that fuels a whole mindset. Look how many ways attacking the very essence, the very foundation, of that "pro-life" canard can be applied as a weapon against them to weaken and compromise a whole host of OTHER arguments they make.

It provokes a "re-think."

It digs down a little deeper - a "hey, wait a minute, I didn't think about that..." moment. A "hmmm... come to think of it, that DOESN'T really make sense now, does it..." or "hmmm... never looked at it that way..." or "hmmm... gee, I guess I never thought of THAT..." or "oh yeah... "

Like when my son started talking this big talk about how he was all adult now and had it together and about all the benefits of getting his own place and so forth. Sounds good, doesn't it! But then when you apply a bit of a reality-check like - "um, honey, you can't even GET YOURSELF UP to your own alarm clock in the morning" the response was this little moment of revelation and a return to Reality World on terra firma rather than floating around up in the fantasy clouds somewhere. A little murmurred "oh yeah..." A little light went on in there. Something else was brought to his attention. The REALITY of his big talk just hadn't occurred to him. It's not just talk. It's not what simply SOUNDS good. You have to be able to back it up in the WORLD OF REALITY. When ALL the facts are in, not just the fancy slogan that gets to stand there by itself without being closely looked at, examined, or understood at all its levels and with all its ramifications.

It's one thing to parrot - "Pro-life!" "Pro-life!" "Pro-life!" And those saying it, for the most part, don't even really have a grip on WHAT THAT MEANS. What does it MEAN? Do you know WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ADVERTISING HERE? Do you understand what being TRULY AND GENUINELY AND ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY "pro-life" MEANS????? IF INDEED you want to hold onto that view and push it down the throats of everybody else around you, you really do, seriously, have to understand what it means to be "pro-life." And most of you are not going to find it as comfortable a fit as you thought.

They're PROGRAMMED on that end. Brainwashed. They've heard the talking points again and again and again and again and again and that's what the result is. Once upon a time I heard limbaugh say, ON THE AIR, "you don't even HAVE TO think! I'LL do the thinking FOR you!!!" And he was only half-joking. His listeners probably thought that was pretty clever and funny. But no. It was serious. Make no mistake. He MEANT it. And he meant it much more deeply than he knew his audiences would consider it. There was an ulterior motive working.

They don't WANT you to think. They don't want you to think about anything more closely. They don't want to have these statements and slogans analyzed and fact-tested and proven out. Probably a key reason why they denounce science. That's why kkkarl rove has even been quoted as saying "too much education is not necessarily a good thing." Because the more you know and the deeper you think about these issues, the more likely you're gonna find the holes and hypocrisies in them, and how those talking points just really don't hold up in the real world. They've denounced and demeaned academia because it's supposedly all pointy-headed liberals. It's not cool to be smart. It's hip to be stupid and just open wide and swallow it whole. You shouldn't HAVE to prove something. Too much hard work! You should just be able to parrot slogans and talking points. And by now they've probably done it so often that their analytical thinking has completely atrophied. That's probably one reason why folks on that side gravitate to this kind of behavior - and to religion, specifically. With religion, you're taught to TAKE IT ON FAITH. BECAUSE. BECAUSE God Says. Because it's a miracle. Because it's a "mystery" (that was a big one in Catholic school as I recall. That's how they explained away a whole bunch of incongruous things). You're not supposed to question. You're not supposed to analyze it and look closely at it and examine it and test it to see if it holds up. You're not supposed to dig deep. Surface-only - that's all you need. You're just supposed to swallow it and then spew it back out to other heathens and convert them. And they're supposed to give their minds over, too, and stop thinking for themselves and stop looking more closely and critically and objectively at what they're being constantly force-fed. Don't worry your little heads about what we're feeding you. Just close your eyes and open your mouths and take it in. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

And we have to BREAK that. We have to present these other ideas that might make some of them start to open their eyes and look at what they're being force-fed, for a change. It might not fit so well, or make as much sense, when they actually have to LOOK at it. And consider the ramifications of it. It's not just simplistic sloganeering. What the bad guys are selling NEEDS closer scrutiny. REQUIRES it. People especially on THAT side of the aisle need to be invited and encouraged to THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

THAT'S how we start fixing this problem.
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