MannyGoldstein, 35,500 posts, member since Aug 2005

[delrem]

LOonix, 31,500 posts, member since Mar 2006
NYC_SKP, 68,500 posts, member since May 2008

Why these? For ONE FUCKING POST out of 68,500. Out of 35,500. Out of 31,500. It's like a certain care was taken to single out these prolific long-time posters and, yes, leaders. I've seen many posts by SBS and HRC supporters saying similar things - a lot gets said on a freewheeling political forum open to anyone who's willing to log in. But it gets passed by with a hide at most. Yes, these three all technically ran afoul of TOS violations, so the punishment is technically justified, but of the 100's of 1000's, even millions of posts to DU, why these select few, and why now?

If we were barnyard animals we'd not notice as our friends and allies get picked off. Or we might notice, be alarmed for a few hours, then forget and go back to munching hay. But we aren't barnyard animals and I don't think our forgetting, our deadly complacency is counted on. I think the opposite. I think the point is to condition us to self-censor. To bow. To know our place, to know who's boss and to know what candidate is protected. I think the point is to show us that although we might think this is our home, we're only here on sufferance and it isn't democracy, it's bought and paid for

The money is flowing and those on the receiving end are acting like there's no tomorrow.

[Scootaloo]

1. And yet, bigoted flamouts are allowed ot stay.

People sourcing Stormfront and gateway Pundit to attack a Jewish democratic candidate, they're allowed to stay.

Accusations that a Democrat is a rapist, a pedophile, a segregationist/ all allowed ot stay.

Cranking out sock puppets to get around alert limits? No problem.

[arcane1]

2. Not to mention, posters claiming they won't vote for Sanders if he's the nominee, get to stay.

Funny how that works.

[mountain grammy]

14. I asked the question of two regular posters who are Hillary supporters..

Will you vote for the Democratic nominee? Answer: crickets.

[Spirochete]

6. Wasn't one of them

harassing other members via the IM system, while on a timeout? Apparently the admins are ok with that...

[Cassiopeia]

17. Yes, I was a victim of a poster doing that.

I finally just blocked that poster, but I shouldn't have had to.

A time out should be just that. Allowing a back door way of harassment just seems silly.

[Dragonfli]

28. I know Vanilla PM stalks as a matter of habit during her/his many time outs /nt

[billhicks76]

39. I Noticed That Also

[Fawke Em]

63. Yep. She did it to me, too.

I blocked her from IMing me.

[awoke_in_2003]

49. If posters harass you via PM

I say make a public thread for all to see. That will stop that shit quick enough.

[Autumn]

8. Admitting they don't support Hillary but don't like how they

say they were "treated bad" by Sanders supporters so do nothing but post crap about Bernie.

[QC]

9. A poster who confessed to being a rapist himself was kept here.

Gay people who spoke up after months of harassment and bullying were summarily banned.

DU justice has always been arbitrary and capricious.

[roguevalley]

31. yes. I wrote a personal appeal to Skinner and Elad to take down

the rapists and they were left to fuck us all over. I guess if you have a contrary opinion of HRC, the candidate of the owners you are toast.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

15. Also no problem...

Defaulting on blaming blacks who get shot by cops, because cops are the good guys.

Derailing discussions about transgender bathroom and locker room rights about "PROTECT US FROM PREDATORS!!!!!111!"

Blaming LGBT's when Democrats lose.

The motherfucking "pony" shit.

Amongst others...

But, hey, now we're safe from those three "evil ones" and their three posts.

Yep. I'm sure this post just put a target on my ass. So be it.

[Scootaloo]

20. And I can name each and every person you just referenced.

And yep, absolutely all of them are clinton supporters now.

Funny how she seems ot have attracted all the very worst people.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

25. I know...

And yep, absolutely all of them are clinton supporters now.

Which is why posts like those are okay, I guess. While some of us probably get the chair for posting one wrong thing, because we want ponies or support the wrong candidate or whatever.

I know. Look at me with my post count. Trust me, I've been reading here for many years, despite the few posts. And not only am I bothered by seeing some great posters ousted, but, I'm thinking it'll be my time soon. Sad.

[delrem]

65. It's monstrous what happens when consistency is no longer valued as a factor.

When it's turned into a beauty pageant.

I had to turn off the so-called "debate".
All that talk about "Muslims" got to me. I mean, wtf?
It was all so wrong right down to its bones.

I wasn't impressed by any of it and I think the problem boils down to the body politic allowing the MSM to dictate all terms of political debate, right down to the format. There has to be collusion and heavy-duty graft for that to be carried out.
I could hear the frustration in the candidates voices, but they were trapped.
They had to play out their roles in this media circus and none of them were doing well.

Nothing about the format allows for any depth of discussion or control of the topic, the direction.

It was a disgrace.

[bvar22]

69. After the first hour,

I started switching over to the Jets/Cowboy Game whenever Hillary started filibustering and shouting over everyone else.

[Enthusiast]

3. It is what it is. And we know what it is.

[nenagh]

4. Removing alpha male and female contrary voices to your chosen one...

very important..

[BlueJazz]

5. We ARE guests here. The people who own/run this site have their rules and frankly...

..That is that. If somebody loves this site, wonderful! If not so much ...then I don't know what to say except "It's their stage and play the songs the way the management wants"

[Curmudgeoness]

29. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie? nt

[BlueJazz]

47. I never do sarcasm.

[Bread and Circus]

33. We are the content. DU is nothing without its posters.

[Divernan]

38. We are paying guests, if you will, and the more we post, the more $$$ for DU

As someone noted, Manny posted enough to pay for braces for someone's kid.

[Orrex]

41. Well, two things.

We are paying guests, if you will, and the more we post, the more $$$ for DU.
As someone noted, Manny posted enough to pay for braces for someone's kid."

1. If that's the case, and if Admin still PPR'ed him, then we can conclude that they did the math and considered the loss of revenue to be an acceptable trade-off.

2. Whoa--that means I've paid for about 1.2 sets of braces.

[delrem]

43. Perhaps David Brock wants to see some concrete results for his shitloads of cash.

It *is* PAC cash dedicated exclusively to the internet, is it not?

[Orrex]

55. Beats me.

Perhaps you should post your question in ATA.

[BlueJazz]

51. Yes but we are nothing without DU.

[Bread and Circus]

52. LoL maybe you are nothing without DU.

And if that is true I feel sorry for you.

[delrem]

35. That is, of course, an integral part of what I said in my OP.

My OP wouldn't make much sense if it weren't.

But thanks for underscoring the point.

[BlueJazz]

50. Sorry, I'm Australian. Sometimes my English is not very good.

[delrem]

56. That's probably why you never do sarcasm. nt

[BlueJazz]

57. Rats. Busted!

[Dragonfli]

7. I believe NYC_SKP was here since 2002 but under a slightly different spelling

I remember because he was the first poster to welcome me to DU in 2004.

Other than that just remember all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

The TOC Manny was banned for saying he would not vote for a particular one of a set of current competitors in the still ongoing primary if they won said primary is a rule that it would appear does not exist for those that single out Bernie sanders as the individual they would not vote for, I have counted 16 such incidents since yesterday morning and I do not read every thread. None of those posts have resulted in PPR - some animals are more equal than others.

[winter is coming]

12. If you've identified them, I suggest making a list of links for an ATA post.

If the admins are going to ban people for declarations made before the primaries even begin, they should be doing it for all of the candidates, and not just Sanders supporters.

[Curmudgeoness]

30. Waste of time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599266

[winter is coming]

48. Well, that's a steaming pantload. n/t

[arcane1]

16. I would highly recommend alerting on those posts from now going forward.

I probably have half of them on ignore

[Dragonfli]

19. I've never been one to alert because words cause me no harm, but I agree that we should at least

Alert as a means of informing the Admins of a TOS violation of the type Manny suffered.
I do not believe it will yield results however, call me cynical. I believe the TOS when used this way is candidate specific.

[arcane1]

22. I share your cynicism, but at least there will be a record.

And if the jury votes to keep it, the results can be alerted on too, and/or posted in the Ask the Admin group.

[Dragonfli]

26. to help you would have to release the ignores

As distasteful as the resulting "discussion" you'd be experiencing might be, that and look at what they post in their sacred spaces.

[arcane1]

27. Sad but true.

[roguevalley]

34. I miss manny because he was brave. When you take down the voices you have

no right to respect. I suspect I will be banned eventually. Keep winnowing the voices and show the world what you are. I am a leftie and that is anathema here now. I am a long time FDR dem but that also is the enemy. WTF? I miss you, Manny. You are a good soul and this place is smaller because you are gone. Ban me.

I responded to a thread once from my phone that does not list the group names where they originate. I tried to figure it out and I couldn't find it. I said I would always speak out when I didn't agree especially when the facts were contrary to the opinion posted. It was unfortunately the HRC group which I found out when they banned me. I don't care. I don't read or post there usually but the title of the group wouldn't show on my phone.

too bad. I would hate to be so afraid that someone elses words made me want to cast them out. That doesn't sound like strength to me.

[arcane1]

37. That group banned me for a stupid-ass reason.

Some troll joined DU, and posted some name-calling about Sanders supporters in the HC group. I served on the jury and I voted to hide. They were PPR'ed promptly.

I admitted in the thread that I voted to hide the troll's anti-Sanders post, so they banned me.

We're not exactly dealing with rational people over there

[roguevalley]

40. I remembered that post, arcane1. I remember thinking you would

regret saying that. Well, sit by me, darling. You are brave too.

[Flying Squirrel]

10. I saw this one coming a mile away

Didn't see the other two coming, but it only takes two to set a pattern.

Don't get to be too popular with other DUers if you're gonna be unpopular with the Admin. And above all, don't look like you're enjoying yourself too much.

[SoapBox]

11. I recommend sharing an email with a user or two...

In the event that one gets selected for slaughter from the herd.

I truly thank those that have agreed to keep an address for me as well as sharing theirs...the Alert crowd may silence some here but DU is barely a blink in the scheme of the Net Universe.

They cannot silence our voices.

[PatrickforO]

13. Yes, that really sucks.

Wonder what would happen if we all said 'fuck it' and left this place?

It would basically just become an echo chamber then...

[arcane1]

18. They'd lose 3/4 of the traffic, and the resulting ad revenue that traffic generates.

[Dustlawyer]

21. Temporary or permanent?

I will add that I am a big fan of Manny's.

[Proserpina]

59. permanent

gone to a better place, too

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

[raouldukelives]

23. "Some animals are more equal than others." nt

[Curmudgeoness]

24. It's Animal Farm.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

(Sorry, but your barnyard comments made my mind go there.)

[Bread and Circus]

32. I loved Manny's posts!!! gonna miss the humor and the wit.

[LaurenG]

36. This is not my site and I don't pay to post here anymore

But I protest this ban.

[Divernan]

42. You contribute to the profits w/ every post you make.

As do I. I take the banning as evidence that Hill's chances are diminishing daily and those who have a personal stake in her victory are taking what action they can.

[eggplant]

44. I've been here forever, and I've donated forever, and I'm sick of all this shit going on.

I have no idea what I will do the next time a fund drive comes around, or the next time my star membership expires.

I'm voting for Bernie in the primary.

I find it outrageous that discussing who one might vote for in the general PRIOR to us having a candidate somehow makes us disloyal to the party or the site. We're expressing our support for our primary candidate. And we're using hyperbole to do so. Get over it.


DU is going to be an interesting place when Bernie wins the nomination. I expect that if the current behavior on this site continues, that it will collapse right afterwards.

It sucks, but that appears to be the way things will go.

And for those too lazy to look at my profile, suck on it.

Account status: Active
Member since: 2002
Number of posts, all time: 2,489
Number of posts, last 90 days: 166
Favorite forum: Latest Breaking News, 83 posts in the last 90 days (50% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 7 posts in the last 90 days (4% of total posts)
Last post: Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 PM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 100% (explain)

2000 or more total posts: +20
200 or more days of membership: +20
20 or more posts in the last 90 days: +20
Star member: +40
0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0
TOTAL: 100

[rwsanders]

45. Mannie got banned?

Sometimes it seems that people here underestimate the reach of this forum. I think it is big enough that the DLC has eyes and ears on the whole thing and this is part of the dirty tricks campaign to coronate Hillary.
Sad.

[Jester Messiah]

46. Manny should wear it as a badge of honor.

We've all got it coming, unless we bend the knee to Herself. Well, fuck that, and fuck her, and fuck her little sycophants.

[liberalnarb]

53. I think the folks upstairs are mowing the lawn to make room for Hillaryites to come in and take over

Its getting tyrannical!

[MrMickeysMom]

62. Can you imagine how devoid the intellectual exchange would be?

Sure signs of it, now...

[zentrum]

54. Manny is gone?

I'm stunned. He's a great Democrat. Always look forward to his posts. I don't get how this works at all.

[Stargleamer]

58. Stargleamer, 934 posts, member since July 2003

sometimes I think people here just post to be posting. But that's nevertheless okay. Still, I wish people would put more thought into their posts sometimes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. And one of my all-time favorite members: Will Pitt Number of posts: 58,135

Profile Information

Name: William Rivers Pitt
Gender: Male
Hometown: Boston
Member since: 2001
Number of posts: 58,135

The admins are Hillary supporters. All these people banned from this place are Bernie supporters.
Enough said.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[delrem]

66. They go after some DU posters like they go after Snowden.

Yah, it's all the same crowd. All flying the same ugly banner.

No wonder they hired David Brock. It fits together.

[MrMickeysMom]

61. I saw Manny's alert stalker to after him hours before that and actually alerted ON that person...

... who, by the way, is now put themselves in a 30 day timeout. That was hours before Manny went to tombstone territory. Coincidence? Who the hell's gonna know?

It may be my complaint, but it sure the hell is Skinner's Board.

[grahamhgreen]

64. Whoa!!! WTF! Somebody's running scared! Bernie wins Iowa & NH, and it's all over for Hillary.

Funny that the pic of the day is about fascism...

[Live and Learn]

67. It is very disturbing. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

68. DU is turning into a stage of ANIMAL FARM after the rebellion against

George Bush's election
the main characters



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I'm am very upset at his banning and must hold my rant back
but you get my jest.