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Moderate Democrats Get Leaderships Ear on 2016 MessagingBy Emma Dumain
Theres some good news for the moderate House Democrats who believe theyve been marginalized in discussions on party messaging: Leadership might be starting to listen.
On Thursday morning, New Democrat Coalition Chairman Ron Kind of Wisconsin met privately with Democratic Policy and Communications Committee Chairman Steve Israel of New York, both lawmakers confirmed to CQ Roll Call.
Israel, charged with developing a unified narrative to help the minority pick up House seats next year, wanted to talk to Kind about the substance of the New Democrats American Prosperity Agenda, 23 policy proposals that centrist Democrats contend are keys to winning again in swing districts.
Israel had some news to share with Kind: DPCC-commissioned polling shows the New Democrats are onto something.
Fundamentally, what we come down to is this: In order to win, you have to get people to vote for you who havent voted for you, and the only way to do that is with a message that resonates across a broad swath of voters, Israel said. You cant keep doing the same thing to the same people. You have to resonate with people who may vote for you or may not vote for you. I think Ron was absolutely correct, tactically and strategically, in how you frame that and deliver that.
Our research and the New Dems research agree on the sense that voters have that the economy is changing quickly and [they] want tools to help them stay ahead, so were completely aligned on that, he said. Making sure we have an economic agenda that supports growth and prosperity for all. New Dems have a very substantive, positive, solution-oriented agenda, and our data tells us we need to have the same.
None of those insights seem particularly contentious and that might be part of the point. One of the things Israel wants to do as he synthesizes the many voices in the House Democratic Caucus is craft a narrative that can speak to as wide a reach of voters as possible and on which a majority of members can agree.
The New Democrats American Prosperity Agenda also seeks to frame issues using inviting, non-incendiary language even as many of the agendas pro-business policies, such as an overhaul of the tax code, will be harder to sell in the party than the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.
The agenda also advocates for certain issues policies to boost scientific and technological innovation to make the United States competitive in the global economy, for example be brought to the forefront of the Democratic message.
In an interview with CQ Roll Call Thursday, Kind said New Democrats want to impart to colleagues that there are various ways of saying the same things in a different tone and a different way and thats what I think is going to be valuable to a lot of our vulnerable, at-risk members, both for recruitment and in districts where we have to be competitive.
Still, progressive Democrats those who want to see the party take more aggressive stands on the environment, womens rights and minority issues may balk at seeing leadership leading on the New Democrats.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus, now the largest contingent in the House, has been emboldened recently by the emergence of new leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and New York Mayor Bill de Blasio.
Progressives contend the key to winning back the House and keeping the White House is being unafraid to advocate for policies that fall clearly on the left of the political spectrum. CPC Co-Chairman Keith Ellison, D-Minn., has urged Democrats to embrace the term liberal, arguing its a designation that needs no apology.
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http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/moderate-democrats-get-leaderships-ear-2016-messaging/?dcz=
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I have a litmus test for my Rep and Senators.
When Bernie wins, will they have his back?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)"moderate", "centrist"...
totally vacuous but feel-good words.
Then it characterizes "progressive dems" as those who want the party to "take more aggressive stands on the environment, womens rights and minority issues", when in fact those are the exact issues that third-way will agree with progressives - at least with token language - while siding with the right-wing Republicans on economic and foreign policy (war) matters. In other words, the article intentionally avoids mention of the substantive differences distinguishing third-way from *every other Dem*
This article was written from within a third-way bubble.
merrily
(45,251 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts).
Bill Clinton's win? That was no accident, and that was not a pure act of the democratic process.
How the HELL did they become the sweethearts of so many parts of the democratic base while:
Passing the DOMA?
Sending jobs overseas?
Whittling away civil rights?
Ripping out the welfare safety net?
Causing the economic breakdown?
I'm truly offended when I see claims that either one are somehow champions of any group other than the 1%, because it's bullshit.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Nauseating! But, then, Hillary has lots of money and many working for her who have more power than we "Progressive/Populists" have (at this point) to put out this kind of stuff to the willing sychophants in the News Media.
What "Millions in the Political War Chest can DO!" UGH. And lets get rid of these DINO's like Steve Israel and Debbie Wasserman-Schutz.
This is getting ridiculous that they are cutting off a wing of their OWN PARTY. Do they "secretly want" Repubs to Win or is it just about HILLARY...the ANNOINTED? Why is it always about HILLARY and her VICTIMIZATION that SHE ....Needs to WIN?
I still have "We Came, We Saw, He Died" about Libya rattling around in my brain as to what kind of morals she has. Look at the Carnage in the ME! I'd expect that kind of statement/trash to come out of Graham/McCain or George Bush II's mouth rather than a Democrat as Head of the US Department of State...(in charge of Diplomacy...not WAR).
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Should we blame Monica and the Repub Scaife well timed Scandal........... or look that it was always on the AGENDA....and Monica was just the "side show?"
What will we get with Hillary? And, Obama in the latter part of his Second Term is looking to compete or TOP Bill in his TPA/TPP/TPIP after he Bailed out the Criminal Banks that are just this week revealed as Second and Third Offenders who will not be Jailed...but "Fined" once again.
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)group.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)It's time to finish them off.
I want my party back.
merrily
(45,251 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)"Coalition", and Murphy - who switched from Republican in 2011, so he could run against Allen West, no damned epiphany there on values or issues - is being touted as liberal. Not buying that pig, no matter how much lipstick is slathered on to it.
Murphy wants Rubio's seat. It is not that I "prefer" Grayson - it is that I will not consider Murphy at all. He will just vote with the GOP anyway, bipartisanship and all the bullshit. And the stupid-assed (IMO, of course) attempts to question Liz Warren about her switching twenty years ago? Bite me. Four or five years for a GOPer who really switched so he could beat an Allen West? Yeah, that was a change of heart, all right. Not.
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/about-me
They sound weirdly like Americans for Prosperity. One of the Castro brother belongs. Joaquin, so he is on my probable DINO list now.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Democrats for Prosperity does sound Exactly like "Americans for Prosperity." Their handlers think we Dems should Co-Opt Repub Message so that we make Obama look Good and that is our Democratic Campaign Message."
What Stupid Think Tank thought that one UP! The same ones who infiltrated the Dem Party, imho. But, then...I'm sick of much of it and can be counted as biased. But...sheesh..can't we SEE how we are being Manipulated on the LEFT? And, who drove us Leftward? Our OWN DEM PARTY with this constant Think Tank, McKinsey Modeling, Wall Street Backing CRAP who have driven us (WHO WERE MAINSTREAM DEMS) TO FIGHT TO TAKE OUR PARTY BACK....or Go Form Another Party. DISGUSTING! But, if we have to....maybe it will come to it if Hillary wins the 2016...with her War Chest.
BTW: The Castro Brothers are the NEW HOPE. I think Joaquin is being pushed as Hillary's VP to bring in the Hispanic Vote because he's already in the Govt..but the other brother is the FAVE amongst the DEM OPS ..I'm reading are pushing.
Hey...they both might be great people....but it does smack of DINO, imho...also. Sick of not looking at the person and what they stand for but being told to vote by Race, Gender or Ethnic as a Dem. We are DEMS...and a mix of people. Can't we look at where our candidates REALLY STAND on issues? Many of us missed how Obama was a Reagan devotee. We heard his incredible speeches and wanted someone we thought had a background who could understand and relate to Average Americans. We got sold on rhetoric when there was nothing really in his background that identified with heartland America and the Poor other than his Mother and Grandparents background. We are told we didn't listen to him carefully and that he was never a progressive but a "Mainstream Dem" who would govern as one.
What the HELL IS A MAINSTREAM DEM? IMHO....A DINO...it seems.
Sorry ...on a rant...and really getting angry about the stuff flying around dissing Left Dems once again. I was a Mainstream DEM! WE were Pushed RIGHTWARD! NO MORE!
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/about-me
They sound weirdly like Americans for Prosperity. One of the Castro brother belongs. Joaquin, so he is on my probable DINO list now.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Corporations will not be satisfied until all Democrats are DINOs.
This organized effort has been going on for a very long time. I think back to the actions of the current President. You know, when he placed Max Baucus to head up the ACA group. He also appointed Simpson and Bowles to head the Catfood Commission®. It isn't as if the President didn't know the true nature of his long list of right leaning appointments.
Can you say hoodwinked?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)there being no Senate Progressive Caucus
yet.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)NBachers
(17,081 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)A shame that the party of FDR and Truman and the new frontier and the civil rights act has been completely taken over by these miserable hacks and their idiotic sycophants.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)campaign'.
What a load of BS. They have to wait for election season to decide what their 'message' should be'.
We don't need a 'message', nor do we need it from people who have proven themselves to be so out of touch with reality, they lost both the House and Senate.
Politicians shouldn't need to 'study polls' just before election season to come up with a 'message'.
Politicians are supposed to be in touch with the people they represent and do not need highly paid 'strategists' to know what is good for this country.
I hate that word with a passion 'messaging'. It is such an obviously insincere word.
Let's send a 'message' we think they'll 'buy'.
Well, I think they should have learned from the last two mid terms that all their highly paid operatives didn't have a clue what the voters want.
But Bernie does. And no one is going to be fooled by campaign rhetoric that doesn't match the record.
Let' send THEM a message and help Bernie win the primaries, then on to the GE!
They've destroyed the Dem Party, the party of the people. But voters have been kicking out their candidates for the past several years and I doubt that's going to change no matter how many 'messages' they send.
LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)I think people are wise to that approach now, especially the younger ones. I think they're looking for a different kind of candidate and a different kind of campaign, which is why I think Bernie' s popularity will soar as people find put more about him. Some older ones might not be able to get beyond the socialist tag, but I think most people will be willing to overlook it once they hear him talk about the issues. We aren't in the 80's and 90's anymore. The strategies that worked then are well past their expiration date.
swilton
(5,069 posts)is with the messaging and packaging and not the policies