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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:44 AM May 2016

Bernie Sanders will be well-equipped to upend Democratic convention

WASHINGTON — If Bernie Sanders wants to upend the Democratic National Convention, he'll likely have all the tools he needs.

The Democratic nomination increasingly seems Hillary Clinton's for the taking. But the number of pledged delegates Sanders will have collected by the time the convention begins July 25 should give him a sizable presence on convention committees and a strong voice in shaping the Democratic Party's rules and platform to include some of his top priorities.

Tad Devine, one of Sanders' top advisers and a veteran of contentious convention battles, said he expects “good will” at the convention between Sanders and Clinton, and agreement on a number of issues. But he raised the possibility that Sanders will play hardball if negotiations fail.

Devine said Sanders should have enough committee votes to file “minority reports” — dissents from positions held by the majority of delegates at the convention. Using that tool could mire the proceedings in debate and votes if Clinton won't agree on issues important to Sanders.

much more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/05/05/bernie-sanders-well-equipped-upend-democratic-convention/83964184/

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Bernie Sanders will be well-equipped to upend Democratic convention (Original Post) silvershadow May 2016 OP
"mire the proceedings in debate and votes"? Oh horrors... Peace Patriot May 2016 #1
I nominate this post for a thread of its own, worthy of hundreds of reccs! Donkees May 2016 #3
Seconded n/t chalky May 2016 #6
When We Stand Together No Citizen Need Settle For The Lessor Of Two Corporate Evils cantbeserious May 2016 #9
The "platform" is empty rhetoric anyway. deepestblue May 2016 #2
True only if evidence of DWS stacking the convention committees were not withstanding. HereSince1628 May 2016 #4
Exactly, DWS is certainly flexing her Karma13612 May 2016 #5
Go for it, Bernie! ljm2002 May 2016 #7
I don't want him to just influence the 'platform' New Earth May 2016 #8
This "platform" Plucketeer May 2016 #10

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
1. "mire the proceedings in debate and votes"? Oh horrors...
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

Last edited Mon May 9, 2016, 03:46 AM - Edit history (1)

...that the Democratic Convention should be democratic!?

Oh please, spare us the mire!

Ah, it's USA Today. They would think that debates and voting are a mire.

I think debates and voting at the Democratic Convention would instead be miracle.

I remember when political conventions, especially the Democratic one, were fascinating--speeches from people all over the country, drama in the committee rooms where big fights over platform issues occurred, raucous nomination fights, inspiring and substantive speeches--all of--ALL OF IT--broadcast on TV. The 1960 convention was marvelous. I was a JFK supporter and my boyfriend, a year older and much more politically sophisticated (he came from a political family) was for Adlai Stevenson (who, I now realize, was, by far, the better leftist of the two).

There were quite a few politicians contending for the Democratic nomination--including LBJ, Hubert Humphrey, Stuart Symington, as well as JFK and Adlai. Eleanor Roosevelt was still alive then, was at the convention and gave the nomination speech for Adlai, who was actually carried by the delegates to the podium when he arrived, like he was a sports hero. He was very popular--but ultimately the convention didn't nominate him, likely because he'd lost twice to Dwight Eisenhower, the even more adulated war hero. That's what Eleanor Roosevelt says. Here's her memo on the 1960 convention:
https://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/mep/displaydoc.cfm?docid=jfk40

She has some interesting things to say about the level of democracy at Democratic Conventions, and as to nominating a presidential candidate, that are still relevant today. She discusses rule by party bosses--a corrupt system of patronage--rather than by the voters, and suggests reforming the nomination process. This jumped out at me:

One curious feature about political reform is that so many people feel it is "disloyal" to attempt to rectify the abuses in one's own party. And yet it is obvious that political morality is dependent upon the awakened conscience and private morality of the voters. Such "disloyalty" is simply an evidence of loyalty to principle. --Eleanor Roosevelt


I do think she underestimated JFK who, in the end, transformed himself into a believer in world peace, and likely died for that cause.**

The convention was in Los Angeles, near where I lived. My boyfriend's parents were delegates so we got to hang around. I have a snap color photo of JFK in his limousine smiling as he passed right in front of me, five or six feet away, as we stood around outside the L.A. Coliseum where he'd given his acceptance speech.

I did, though, watch most of it on TV. The platform fight over civil rights. All the speeches. Adlai being carried to the podium on the delegates' shoulders. The machinations that resulted in LBJ becoming JFK's VP. It was all so interesting, so alive, so important. TV commentators were serious, knowledgeable people who provided serious, knowledgeable insights to the public, even while they maintained strict rules of neutrality.

We can't expect that in the 21st century. The media have become partisan, bobble-headed idiots, and their bosses don't want anything that smells of democracy on their TV screens. They have NO obligation these days to provide Public Service (as they did before Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine laws), and they don't provide it. They pick and choose what it serves their profits to show us.

Even so, I do hope we have lots of "mire" at the Democratic Convention this year. Lots of debates on the issues, dissent, advocacy, votes from platform committee onto the floor, our representatives defending their positions and their candidate choices and of course I hope that the party bosses, who now run everything, change their minds about supporting Hillary Clinton, the worst candidate for the Democratic nomination that I've ever seen, and nominate the best candidate I've ever seen, Bernie Sanders.

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**(Recommended: "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," by James Douglass.)

deepestblue

(349 posts)
2. The "platform" is empty rhetoric anyway.
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:27 AM
May 2016

Let's get Sanders elected President as a Dem or as an Independent. It really doesn't matter. Bernie is Bernie.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. True only if evidence of DWS stacking the convention committees were not withstanding.
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

Unfortunately...there is the reality of DWS's party management

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
5. Exactly, DWS is certainly flexing her
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

"you are an outsider Bernie, so be happy that we are giving you anything at all" muscles.

The sad thing is that if you want to run for President in this country you realistically have to run on one of two party tickets. Either D or R. Nothing else is viable.

Outsiders are treated as such.

But this is going to change in this election year, or in 2020 for sure.

If Hillary OR Trump are president, 2020 will be eye opening. We will have a very remarkable primary campaign on both sides. And I believe we will see an even stronger voice of non-affiliated and Independents and Green Party members.

It has to change. The two party system and its current management are dysfunctional and destructive.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
7. Go for it, Bernie!
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016
"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

--Mario Savio, Dec 2, 1964
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
10. This "platform"
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

is about as influential as the color of the paper cups they use at the convention. ESPECIALLY with DWS and Hillaree in command.

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