Let's be honest here. Hillary needs Bernie supporters more than Bernie needs Hillary supporters.

[jillan]

There are several reasons why.

She does not have the millennial vote. They are inspired by Bernie and the 25 states that have already voted have proven that point. If she is the nominee there is no guarantee that they will vote.

But even more important than that is something else we've seen from the states that have already voted.
Democrats support Hillary. That's it.

On the other hand, Democrats, independents and moderate republicans support Bernie.

That is why Bernie does so much better in states with open primaries.

Since Hillary does not have cross-over appeal (based on the states that have already voted) & then you look at this graph, you can see why this is a problem for her.



Since she thinks she is already in the GE, you would think that she would be trying to earn our votes.

But since her only attempt to win our votes is "Even though you don't support me, I support you" it is even more apparent why we must continue to fight for Bernie all the way to the convention, despite all odds, if we want to win in November.
Hillary relying on Democrats is not going to win the GE, especially after she has alienated 1/2 of the Dem base PLUS the first time voters. Hillary has 1/2 of the Democratic base.

But Bernie has the other 1/2 of the base plus a large % of independents. His chances of winning in Novermber are much better even without many of the Hillary supporters.

Thoughts?

[juxtaposed]

1. i agree but she needs to suck some serious ass to get that

[bkkyosemite]

3. From what I hear that ain't gonna help.

[bkkyosemite]

2. Hillary and her staff think Bernie supporters are uneducated morons...some are CEO's

and some are professionals, some are blue collar...but there are thousands of them....Brock needs to do some more research before he tries to screw with the supporters of Senator Sanders. I am going to use Bernie's title more...because he needs the respect his title brings.

[juxtaposed]

4. lol u go

[jillan]

6. You mean Brockbart? Hill's very own Breitbart? lol.

[malokvale77]

40. Brock has some serious issues...

if he thinks Bernie's supporters are GOP stupid.

[truedelphi]

5. I am not sure I can discuss my main thoughts on this particular board.

Those thoughts would be along the lines that as long as a nation's Primary Election Processes involve two parties, both of which are deeply entrenched with Corporate Interests, it is clear that such Big Money Politics does not get candidates that represent the average voters.

Bernie represents WAY more people than Hillary, but she is the favorite of the Party throwing the more liberal primary.

And it sucks for the middle class and the entire nation that this is the way it is.

[bkkyosemite]

8. You did that pretty well .......and your last sentence is why we are fighting for Bernie

[tk2kewl]

7. And if Bernie gets the nomination...

Hillary's supporters will have to choose between the lesser of two evils:

Neofascism or Democratic Socialism

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Not to mention the rabid hoards of Repubs/Teabaggers who have a visceral hatred for her and

will show up in droves just to vote against her.

She cannot win with just 29%-30% of the population who are Democrats. It's impossible. So - good luck with that.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[jillan]

11. Agreed! She will be the best GOTV operation for them. But then again, Trump will be

pretty motivating for us as well.

[jhart3333]

12. The superdelegates should be flipping on that alone.

Of course if they're sold out flunkies then they really don't care who wins the GE. All they care about is keeping the money rolling in. Well this time it might just bite them in the ass.

[21st Century Poet]

10. Don't they both need each other's voters?

Your analysis is interesting and has a kernel of truth but when it comes down to it, either nominee will need the other's voters. Mrs Clinton cannot win without Mr Sanders's voters but Mr Sanders cannot win without Mrs Clinton's voters either. Whoever wins the nomination will have to attract a considerable amount of cross-over votes.

In my opinion, Mr Sanders has a better chance of doing that. Simply put, he excites people. Mrs Clinton does not. In fact, she has so much political baggage that not only does she not excite but she is actively disliked by many people. The silver lining to her nomination is that Mr Trump is also disliked by many people (although he does, in his own bizarre way, cause excitement and TV ratings to rise whenever he is on it, which sometimes seems to be all the time).

Exciting millenials is a big deal because usually many of them don't even bother voting. I think Mr Sanders would win really big if he were to get the nomination. I don't know how Mrs Clinton would work out in the general election. Many millenials will probably go back to being their non-politically engaged selves. Mrs Clinton could still pull off a win if there is enough dislike for the Republican nominee.

[jillan]

13. I'm sure a lot of Bernie supporters will vote for her, vice versa. I guess I'm just kind of amazed

how Brock continues to attack us & insult us. And how dismissive she is towards Senator Sanders, and not even trying to reach out to us, considering she feels she already won the primary.

[peacebird]

14. Actually I am not sure at all that Bernie supporters will support Hillary. I know I won't.

[DesertFlower]

17. and if you and others like you feel that

way and the repubs win you can thank yourself. this country can't take another repub president -- especially those who are running.

the only one that doesn't scare the hell out of me is kasich -- not saying i like him.

[peacebird]

20. Nope. I can thank the people that supported Hillary, for giving us an unelectable candidate.

Bernie gets support from young voters in droves. Hillary crickets.
Bernie gets support from Independents. Hillary crickets.
Bernie gets support from Repubs who hate the TeaParty. Hillary crickets.

I will NOT vote lesser of two evils again. If Hills loses it is on you people for putting up a candidate who cannot win. Not on me for refusing to vote for her.

[DesertFlower]

27. have the guts to thank yourself.

i guarantee you if hillary is the nominee bernie will ask you to support her.

[Ivan Kaputski]

30. So you are calling Bernie a hypocrite? He'll support the Wall Street candidate? Good luck with that.

[peacebird]

34. Again. If your candidate cannot get elected, it is on YOU, not me.

[RoccoR5955]

21. No we can blame the DLC and the mainstream media

for their unfairness, and not covering Bernie.

[DesertFlower]

23. no. have the guts to blame yourself.

[RoccoR5955]

26. I do not live in a fantasy world.

I blame those who are actually responsible.

[DesertFlower]

29. you do live in a fantasy world.

bernie has great ideas, but if he was elected he wouldn't get any of them done. look how the repubs treated obama. how do you think they're going to work with bernie who says they're all bought and paid for (which is true)?

i supported bernie in the beginning -- contributed 3x to his campaign, but after watching the debates i realized that hillary can get more done. that was about a month ago.

[RoccoR5955]

41. Like Clinton has gotten ANYTHING done

that was good for WE THE PEOPLE?
She has only gotten things done for corporations.
WAKE UP ALREADY!

[Ivan Kaputski]

28. Are you trolling our group?

[DesertFlower]

31. no. i didn't even realize i was in your group.

i saw a thread and responded to it. am i not allowed to?

[Ivan Kaputski]

32. Still new to DU huh?

[dana_b]

39. this is a pro Bernie Sanders group

maybe you took a wrong turn

[dana_b]

37. have the guts to blame YOURSELF

for not fighting for the only progressive candidate in the field!!

Sick of this "do what I say, eat this shit and then thank me for it!" attitude. If we don't elect Bernie, we are stuck with a pro war, corporatist, trade deal lovin', lying, flip flopping, Wall Street/Big bank promoting , deceitful hack and I blame ALL of the people who didn't vote for Bernie!

[jillan]

38. If she becomes the nominee and cannot get out the vote

She has no one to blame but herself.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Ditto that.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Ivan Kaputski]

24. ^ this ^

Only 25% of registered voters in Florida voted. What's that spell?

[TalkingDog]

15. What PeaceBird said.

If you extrapolate like advertisers do, 1 complaint about an ad to really represent 1000 people who are also upset with the ad but don't write in, then take note of how many people like PeaceBird and myself are saying we will not vote for her, that starts adding up quick.

I'll write in Sanders. And if I am unable to write in a candidate, I will not vote for a Presidential candidate.

[jillan]

16. I'm going to start researching Jill Stein. It's pretty sad when you have to go outside of your party

to find a progressive.



Or else I will write in Bernie.

[Autumn Colors]

25. ^^ Ditto ^^ (nt)

[21st Century Poet]

18. It wasn't meant to be this way.

Mr Sanders was never supposed to run as far as Mrs Clinton is concerned. The path was supposed to be much easier and it was supposed to be sewn up by now.

Mrs Clinton therefore views Mr Sanders and his supporters as a bit of a nuisance. I suppose she also takes the votes Mr Sanders attracts for granted.

The simple truth is that this election cycle has exposed the two main parties as being very big and clumsy, like a waiter holding 20 plates in one hand, 20 in the other, 20 on his head and 20 on his right foot, and trying to hop his way to the kitchen. You have Democrats and you have Socialist Democrats. You have Republicans and you have Conservatives. Although they are in the same party, they have different goals and want to achieve them at different speeds.

I'm not going to try and suggest a way out of this mess because it might very well be objectionable to this forum but all I'm going to say is that most European countries' political parties are not so clumsy.

[BigMin28]

33. David brock

Is the one reason that would keep me from voting for Clinton. The fact that she would work with such a scumbag shows me her lack of integrity. No principles, win at any cost. If Bernie is not the nominee, I will sit out the first election in 40 years.

[Ivan Kaputski]

22. Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies (ain't going to work with me)

[Tragl1]

35. She's still not the nominee

...I do not think she has the ability to pull many republicans or independents towards her. That alone scares what will happen in the general, Bernie still has hope and momentum regardless what happened last Tuesday. His best days are yet to come. We will need him versus Trump.

[oldandhappy]

36. clinton could start including Bernie ideas in a substantive way in her speeches

DNC has been dismissive of Bernie. 'Real" dems so called have been dismissive of Bernie. DWS ignores Bernie totally. Those of us who are with Bernie are drawn in by what he has to say. clinton periodically copies his statements. But there is no meaning for her in those statements. I would like to see her be more inclusive. She does need our votes. And we want and need the president sworn in in Jan 2017 to include progressive ideas in the speech. We need down ticket candidates to be including Bernie ideas in their campaigns. We need these ideas in the party platform but it is too late for that since the issues have to go thru state party conventions. Issue voters can be brought to clinton if she decides to make a small effort. I will be watching.