Elizabeth Warren group post.

[delrem]

If Warren doesn't run, who could she endorse in the primaries?
How could Warren endorse a third-way avatar? That would be a contradiction, wouldn't it?

Could she just stand idly by, observing, while big money had its way?

I was thinking about this after watching her segment on Jon Stewart.
She was totally focused,

she looked and sounded like a very credible candidate, to me.

[AtomicKitten]

1. I am convinced she's thinking about it. /nt

[delrem]

4. I figure she has to be. And that she will.

Nothing else makes sense about what she's saying, when and how she's saying it.

There's a notion being floated that Elizabeth Warren is just giving Hillary Clinton some talking points, some catchphrases, so Hillary can run a more populist/progressive campaign, so Hillary "can run more to the left", and that'll be good enough. But that's ridiculous.

Hillary isn't some nasty Republican, to be sure - someone who wants to put the screws to the poor deliberately, because it feels good, or put the screws to this or that minority group for similar twisted motives. But she's third-way through and through, over a long history, and she's a total hawk. A scary hawk, if you ask me. And she's totally compromised by the rules of quid pro quo -- rules of quid pro quo that Elizabeth Warren forcefully mentions.

I'm going to repeat this in my posts:
Elizabeth Warren doesn't need a $+2billion war chest to win!
Elizabeth Warren needs money, of course, to get her message out - and HUGE grass roots support to make sure her progressive message is heard in the face of the inevitable tsunami of $billion$ of bullshit right-wing campaigning, paid to a field of MSM "pundits" who lap it up like cream (these "pundits" pretend to be "on the left", too -- y'know, fair and balanced, like). But, unlike Hillary, Elizabeth doesn't need the full monty right-wing money machine. Furthermore, I don't think even the full monty right-wing money machine, the $+2billion estimated payout for just one right-wing candidate, will win a general election for Hillary. I think the same machine will install Jeb, in a flash. They do like to do it that way, y'know.

[AtomicKitten]

6. She's testing the water, putting herself out there.

As you may recall, Obama's lead up to declaring his candidacy was very similar. He campaigned his heart out for Democrats in the 2006 election; she did in 2010. Hillary's camp insists she's going to raise the most money and that somehow equates with "winning." As Obama did, Elizabeth is capable of raising a shit-ton of money online. I am squeezed by a recent $500/month rent increase, but I'd send her what I could and probably some I couldn't.

Elizabeth CAN do this if she is willing to put herself out as a candidate, but not as a stalking horse as some have suggested. She embodies the spirit of populism that is rising up in this country. Hillary is the antithesis of populism. She cannot mouth Elizabeth's words and be taken seriously. She is a hawk, one that scares the shit out of me too. Her hubris (e.g. Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.) and recklessness should preclude her from being anywhere near the gears of foreign policy. And her commiserating with Wall Street/banks is nowhere in the ballpark of liberal. Her husband promoted and signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall which was a primary factor in the economic collapse 10 years later after Bill had left the scene of the crime. I am confident Hillary will continue the deregulation and happily sign any bill the GOP puts forward.

This is Elizabeth's time. Her voice in opposition to the DINO being shoved down our throats is sorely needed. The party MUST have this debate. Hillary's insipid campaign direction is gag-worthy. Her actual record is being given a makeover as if we as voters are slobbering dolts that will blindly accept such revisionist history.

Run.Elizabeth.Run.

[djean111]

2. To be honest, if she feels she must endorse Hillary,

I think I will have to bid a fond farewell to DU.
Economically, Hillary is the exact opposite of everything Warren stands for.
Ms. Oh, you poor put-upon bankers, we all got into these messes together and we all will have to get out of them - translated - you get the taxpayers' money - will have changed the Democratic Party into something I do not want to belong to. I wouldn't do a dramatic exit or anything, just shrug and go. I don't care for the pervasive jeering and harsh hyperbole of the HRC group, anyway.

If Fast Track goes through, I will not vote for anyone who voted for it, nor will I vote for anyone who championed it, so I would be violating the TOS if I stayed past the primaries and the candidate is Hillary.

All that talk about Warren being more useful in the Senate - as if Hillary OR the GOP/Blue Dogs are going to allow Warren to beef up regulations, do something about college debt, expand Social Security. I suppose I should feel warm and fuzzy that all of those things, like the TPP, will affect women and children as equally badly as they affect men.

Anyway, I have already replied to the HRC email asking for money and a pledge of support with a request to unsubscribe, and reason given was TPP, fracking, war, Jamie Dimon.

[RiverLover]

3. Great post, djean111. I agree completely with everything you wrote

& will be following the same path if things go further south in that direction.

[delrem]

5. Yes. At that point DU will be all but dead in the water. nt

[JDPriestly]

7. I agree with all the posts on this thread that have been posted prior

to this, my own. Thanks for being here, all of you.

I do not think that Hillary can win the general election for all the reasons you have stated here and a couple of dozen more.

Just thanks, all of you Elizabeth Warren supporters.

Elizabeth Warren can win the presidency. If Hillary drops out of the race, I expect Elizabeth Warren to jump right in. If and when, Elizabeth Warren will win the hearts of Americans and become one of America's greatest presidents. I'm not switching to Hillary. Elizabeth Warren is the leader.

And by the way, some people seem to think I am a man. I am very much a woman, rather petite and feminine thank you. So I am not a man tearing down a woman. I am a woman who appreciates how difficult it is for a woman to succeed in her own right. Elizabeth Warren did that. She rose from small town Oklahoma and a poor family to teach at Harvard Law School. That is quite an achievement.

Amazing in fact.

[delrem]

8. I've no doubt that Elizabeth Warren will continue to grow.

Nowadays, in the hyper-tension of the 18 month long "primaries" to the '16 election, I think I should preface my US-centric political posts by saying that I'm Canadian, not a US citizen. I like it being a Canadian, but I'm not very enthused about Stephen Harper, who I'm quite sure will be ousted by a minority coalition of Liberals and New Democrats before end Oct., 2015. Note that timeline, "before end Oct. 2015", so in about 1/2 year's time. In Canada the election campaigning hasn't begun, yet, it's so low key and short. Very different than in the US. So I figure that Harper will be gone, shortly, and I'll be helping to ensure that result in every way possible.

Now to US politics: Hillary Clinton will not drop out of the race. Not for *any* reason. In '08 she hung on way past the point where people were laughing.

I don't know what Warren will do, but she *did* sign that letter from the 15 women Dem Senators asking Hillary Clinton to run. On the one hand it would've been churlish to not sign on, when asked, but on the other hand... well, she did. And there's no way that Warren can plead even the slightest degree of ignorance regarding what Hillary Clinton stands for.

Warren's history of identifying as Republican well into maturity and into the Reagan years tells me that she's coming from a very different place than I do. Now I'm happy that I can repeat that I'm Canadian so I don't have any innate "lived it" understanding of US bipolar politics. As a youth of the same age, but living in Canada, I came into the Reagan years after experiencing Pierre Trudeau, and before him Lester Pearson, and so I come from a totally different and more pacifistic political culture.