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Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:10 PM

Nine women *each week* are shot to death by their husband or intimate partner.

When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2011 Homicide Data (PDF)

“The sad reality is that women are nearly always murdered by someone they know,” said VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand. “Already, many elected officials and community leaders are working tirelessly to reduce the toll of domestic violence. Yet despite these efforts, the numbers remain unacceptably high. We need new policies in place from local communities to the federal government to protect women from harm.”

“Nine women each week are shot to death by their husband or intimate partner,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. “That's nearly 500 domestic gun violence deaths each year — more than twice the number of servicewomen killed in military conflicts since the Korean War. We urgently need better policies that protect women and their families from this senseless violence. No American, adult or child, should live in a perpetual state of fear. It’s inhumane.”

Nationwide, 1,707 females were murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents in 2011, at a rate of 1.17 per 100,000. For homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified, 94 percent of female victims were murdered by a male they knew.

Sixteen times as many females were murdered by a male they knew (1,509 victims) than were killed by male strangers (92 victims). Among victims who knew their offenders, 61 percent of female homicide victims were wives or intimate acquaintances of their killers.

Read More: http://www.vpc.org/press/1309wmmw.htm

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Reply Nine women *each week* are shot to death by their husband or intimate partner. (Original post)
Robb Sep 2013 OP
CTyankee Sep 2013 #1
Skittles Sep 2013 #7
Decoy of Fenris Sep 2013 #10
CTyankee Sep 2013 #13
Decoy of Fenris Sep 2013 #14
CTyankee Sep 2013 #15
Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #16
BainsBane Sep 2013 #11
JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #17
Squinch Sep 2013 #2
Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2013 #3
Deep13 Sep 2013 #4
Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #5
Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #6
Robb Sep 2013 #9
BainsBane Sep 2013 #18
billh58 Sep 2013 #8
mwrguy Sep 2013 #12
DragonBorn Oct 2013 #19

Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:17 PM

1. Hmm...I wonder if our RKBA folk here at DU will comment on this post, Robb...

It would be nice if they would...but, sadly, I've learned not to hold my breath...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 07:12 PM

7. this kind of stuff doesn't bother them as much as being called gun humpers does

weenies

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:55 PM

10. Sure, I'll take the bait on this one, CT.

Although, to the RKBA group's credit, about three quarters of them are preemptively banned over here. And to Robb's credit, maybe if Robb posted this in RKBA, he'd get more RKBA responses, but I'd wager he doesn't want that.


Back on topic,

I don't think this study is any particular surprise, Yankee, but like NRA-sponsored studies, it will draw what conclusions it wishes while ignoring specific variables. The thesis is skewed, the data is cherry-picked and the method is flawed, with the source material cited being incomplete and selectively included based on arbitrary parameters set by the "study" group. The conclusions of the study itself is little more than masturbatory grandstanding.

That's a shame, because the point they're trying to make is a good one, but they're going about all the wrong methods to accomplish it.




I'd wager you also didn't want a critique on the study, either, so let's give you the topical discussion you -wanted-.

Yes, I think it's something of an unspoken truth that those who are more likely to commit domestic violence are those who have a higher chance of owning/operating a firearm, but they're not made into violent offenders because of a firearm; the gun is an easy-access focal point for rage. These people, domestic abusers, are -already- prone to violent action, and the gun only amplifies it. I think this is a case of Correlation and Causation:


People more inclined towards violence, both in and out of the home, are also more likely to purchase or use a firearm, but the gun doesn't make them more violent, just more deadly. This is where the Gun Control side and the RKBA side need to breach the gap.

I know Krispos posted up a brief blurb on effective gun control that was, for the most part, well received. I'm working on one myself, using Krispos' as a framework, and I know a few other RKBAers have been piddling around with drafted legislation. Maybe the RKBA could pitch ideas back and forth with you guys here, maybe finding common ground on our respective advancements on the issue of violence prevention?



And just for fun, mate: The answer you were expecting to hear from an RKBA-er:

"Whurrderp, gunz! GUUUUUN!"


I hope you're pleasantly surprised.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:57 AM

13. You seem to know a lot about the group doing this study. Where is your critique of it from?

It would be interesting to learn more.

"Pitching ideas" on gun safety shouldn't be such a problem. They could be pitched in GD.

I look forward to your, and others, ideas on effective gun safety legislation.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:27 AM

14. Less knowledge about the group, more knowledge on study methods.

I spent way too much time in college learning how to effectively construct an unbiased study and because of that, I tend to recognize slanted studies almost immediately. If you'd like, I can give you a rundown on how the study's flawed on a point for point basis. The Cliffnotes version is "They looked for a result and found it", something of a fatal flaw in almost any nonbiased study.


The problem with any discussion regarding effective gun control is that no matter what the proposition, no one's happy. I think what we, as DUers, need to do is find the common ground so that we can discuss possible legislation without constantly stepping on each others toes. That should be our first hurdle, but it's one that neither side seems particularly adept at approaching. Both sides of this debate have fringe extremists who make active discussion next to impossible, stifling those of us in the middle in a morass of logical fallacies and ad-hominim insults.

If you'd like, I'll let you know when I get a post up in RKBA for your perusal at your leisure. (RKBA being the forum of choice, given the volatile nature of DU as a whole around gun topics) The next two days are rough for me, but I might have something up and running sometime early next week. I hope to see you there.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:38 PM

15. I don't know anything about this group but I'd have to see what the parameters were for this study.

I'm a bit wary on the legis. proposals idea given the UBC discussion recently, however.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 02:55 PM

16. I, for one, will look forward to reading your upcoming post.

Your responses in this thread are very thoughtful. There may yet be hope if more folk try to find common ground. Because, if we can't find it here, then what chance do we have with those on the right.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 11:22 PM

11. If this post were in GD

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and if a woman had dared post it, certain members (only a few of which are in RKBA) would descend to tell us how talking about violence against women is sexist. Some are determined to keep abuse and killings of women in the shadows and do everything within their power to shut anyone who dares to shed light on it. Look through my journal for OPs on those subjects and you'll see them in action.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:01 PM

17. +1

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:21 PM

2. Kick for exposure, though it doesn't surprise me at all.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:23 PM

3. Would you rather they be stabbed or bludgeoned? You should be happy for men with guns.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:36 PM

4. Guns all around, then!

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:42 PM

5. It says too much about our society. nt

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 06:39 PM

6. The message here is don't hang out with guys who think guns solve problems.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown in terms of types of guns used and the reasons for owning those guns.
I would wager that most were killed with handguns and most of those were not purchased for target shooting or hunting. If I were a woman, I would be extremely cautious about any involvement with a guy who sees guns primarily as tools for self defense.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 07:21 PM

9. 73% handguns, per the study. nt

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Response to Robb (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 29, 2013, 07:06 AM

18. Notice how many see Marisa Alexander's firing a warning shot as illegimate

Evidently they believe guns 1) are best used lethally, and 2) are only legitimate when used by white men, not women or people of color.

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 07:14 PM

8. Beacuse:

Second Amendment

My Rights

Freedom

NRA

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Response to Robb (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:19 AM

12. this should surprise nobody

Anyone who buys a gun has decided that they are willing to kill another human being.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 07:27 PM

19. Are you a mind reader?

Because if your not you should probably stop playing the projection game. Also that's not what I was thinking when I bought my first .22, I was thinking about how much fun at the range I would have.

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