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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:41 AM Jul 2012

Holding it Down for Women: Nicki Minaj and the Problem of Gender Inequity in Hip Hop

http://nursingclio.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/holding-it-down-for-women-nicki-minaj-and-the-problem-of-gender-inequity-in-hip-hop/

On June 3, Hot97 DJ Peter Rosenberg took to the stage at MetLife Stadium to address the crowd at the radio station’s annual hip hop concert, Summer Jam 2012. While warming up the crowd, Rosenberg shouts, “I see the real hip hop heads sprinkled in here…I see them. I know there are some chicks here waiting to sing ‘Starships’ later –I’m not talking to y’all right now…I’m here to talk about real hip hop.”[1] Rosenberg’s comments referred to Nicki Minaj’s hit song. In one swift moment, Rosenberg not only alienated Minaj and her fanbase, he drew the line between “real” hip hop and “pop” not just in terms of aesthetics, but in a disrespectful, public, and gendered manner.

Minaj confirmed reports that her boss at Young Money Entertainment, rap star Lil Wayne, advised her not to perform. Wayne also withdrew all Young Money-affiliated artists from the show. Lil’ Wayne explained his decision: “I don’t know what anyone else believes, but I believe females deserve the ultimate respect at all times no matter, when or how…I feel like a woman’s supposed to be respected at all times, therefore I believe I made the right decision.”[2] Rosenberg responded to Lil’ Wayne’s comments by asking whether or not stating his opinion about a song constituted a lack of respect for women. Then Rosenberg sought to illustrate Wayne’s hypocrisy by playing some of his misogynistic lyrics. Rosenberg punctuated his point by declaring, “Weezy F. – the ‘F’ doesn’t stand for feminist, alright.”[3]

Nicki Minaj defended her’s and Wayne’s actions to Hot97’s DJ Funkmaster Flex the following day. In her phone call with Flex, she firmly pointed out Rosenberg’s sexism: “…For this person to single out the one female on the bill. I’m holding it down for women.” She elaborated (and I am paraphrasing), “Every woman needs to know that it does not matter what people say about you. After a certain amount of time, when you put in a certain amount of work…you deserve respect.”[4] Flex grew defensive, denying Rosenberg’s comments constituted an attack on women. Then he protected Rosenberg’s right to express his opinion although he admitted that Rosenberg voiced it at the wrong time.

Observers like New York Times’s Jon Caramanica called attention to Rosenberg’s ethnicity (He’s Jewish.) and his backwardness. Essence writer Demetria L. Lucas and Rosenberg, pointed to Lil’ Wayne’s (misogynistic) lyrics as a sign of hypocrisy and opportunism.[5] Their insights, of course, are productive. Yet, this spat between Rosenberg and Hot97 and Nicki Minaj, Lil’ Wayne, and Young Money highlights the embeddeness of gender inequity in hip hop.

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There were other (male) artists he could have dissed, along with their fans. I think the reason he didn't is obvious. I also think the 'but lil Wayne's sexist lyrics' stuff is nonsense. To me it's no different than telling someone who dares to start taking a stand about global warming that they shouldn't talk if they drive anything but a Prius or some other hybrid. This kind of change doesn't happen overnight or all at once. We need to encourage this awareness of sexism, not pretend that nobody can criticize it unless they're perfect. Nobody is perfect.
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Holding it Down for Women: Nicki Minaj and the Problem of Gender Inequity in Hip Hop (Original Post) redqueen Jul 2012 OP
What is it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #1
I dunno but it's so sadly common. redqueen Jul 2012 #2
lil Wayne is a sexist piece of trash. good for him he spoke out. who knows why. it is not cause seabeyond Jul 2012 #3
Yeah, he completely buys into the idea of women as sex objects. redqueen Jul 2012 #4
No doubt ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #5
i figured he had a feud going with the other dude, but that would be a reason. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #6
here is something that neeeds to be noted DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #7
interesting. cause really, when wayne is declared a champion of women, i am really not seabeyond Jul 2012 #8
Yeah, there's all kinds of poseible motivations... redqueen Jul 2012 #9
I'm curious, what artists was the rest of the bill/performances comprised of? OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #10
Waka Flocka, for one. redqueen Jul 2012 #11
Hmmph... maybe I need to google some of this. That name means nothing to me. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #12
Vanilla Ice... awwwww redqueen Jul 2012 #13
You think I'm white... you should see my sock tan-line! OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #14
oh, gosh, seabeyond Jul 2012 #15
Socks feel nice. redqueen Jul 2012 #16
Still ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #17
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. What is it ...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

about some people that when called out on their B.S., they immediately go to the "I have a RIGHT to express MY opinion" line ... and when that falls limp, they fall back on the tried and true, "Well, they do it too!" line.

Here's an idea: Shut your mouth, open your mind; listen, learn and grow.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
2. I dunno but it's so sadly common.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jul 2012

"Here's an idea: Shut your mouth, open your mind; listen, learn and grow."

Love it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. lil Wayne is a sexist piece of trash. good for him he spoke out. who knows why. it is not cause
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jul 2012

he respects women.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. Yeah, he completely buys into the idea of women as sex objects.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jul 2012

He obviously respects Nicki as an artist, though.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
7. here is something that neeeds to be noted
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jul 2012

It could be that Rosenberg was taking the side of Lil Kim, one of the first female rappers; sadly, Kim has been attacking Minaj all over the place.

As far as "real hip hop" Hot 97, with it's love of stirring rivalries between artists, really needs to keep it's fat mouth shut. They enjoy controversy for it's own sake.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. interesting. cause really, when wayne is declared a champion of women, i am really not
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jul 2012

buying it. something else is going on.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
9. Yeah, there's all kinds of poseible motivations...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jul 2012

but it's good to see a dialog about women in hip hop and the extra hurdles they deal with.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
10. I'm curious, what artists was the rest of the bill/performances comprised of?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jul 2012

Who else (or what other music) was on the schedule to play that night? I looked through the article a the link but couldn't find much help. I just want to understand this a little better because honestly, as stated, I think there's more to the story when lil Wayne comes out on the right side of an issue (regarding feminism). Lil Wayne... really?!?

Why was Minaj snubbed and who else was favored over her?


 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
12. Hmmph... maybe I need to google some of this. That name means nothing to me.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jul 2012

I've never even heard that phrase before. I'm assuming that's a person or band? LOL, I'm too old to keep up with this.

At first I was thinking, "Well, Starships isn't really 'that' hip-hop of a song... maybe that was the cause for the disparagement." (And compared to the 80's & 90's hip hop I wasused to, it really isn't. Starships is more of a pop song, IMO.) But now, maybe I'll just leave the issue be for more knowlegable/hip people. I mean... I heard a Beiber "rap" song the other day and almost got in an accident. I mean, really... WTF... Justin Beiber rapping?!?

Rap music upsets me... maybe I'm just getting to be too "middle-aged white-guy".
MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Dre... now that was rap.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
14. You think I'm white... you should see my sock tan-line!
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jul 2012

No shit, I kid you not... my wife looked out the window last week and yelled at me for walking outside in the driveway in my socks, that I might ruin them. I informed her, "Honey, I'm not wearing socks" (and the wiggled my toes to show her).

I wear socks everywhere, even with sandals.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. oh, gosh,
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

you are one of those. what is that? my father is like that too. i am barefoot most of my life. only put on shoes, often no socks, when i have to.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
17. Still
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jul 2012

My favorite hip hop song of all time is "Big Gun"------by Ice T, not exactly a feminist supporter. And it's not that it's not a a sexist song at its core, it's about a women who doesn't take any shit and is a violent as she needs to be.


Not the answer to the problem of sexism in hip hop, that probably lies in the strong, vocal support of female artists and quite possibly a few more 'payback' songs like Big Gun. Women's voices and lyrics are out there, it's a matter of getting play and respect. In a testosterone driven part of the music industry, its got to be hard to break through, just as it would be hard to break through in Metal (although OTEP does)

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