History of Feminism
Related: About this forumHolding it Down for Women: Nicki Minaj and the Problem of Gender Inequity in Hip Hop
On June 3, Hot97 DJ Peter Rosenberg took to the stage at MetLife Stadium to address the crowd at the radio stations annual hip hop concert, Summer Jam 2012. While warming up the crowd, Rosenberg shouts, I see the real hip hop heads sprinkled in here I see them. I know there are some chicks here waiting to sing Starships later Im not talking to yall right now Im here to talk about real hip hop.[1] Rosenbergs comments referred to Nicki Minajs hit song. In one swift moment, Rosenberg not only alienated Minaj and her fanbase, he drew the line between real hip hop and pop not just in terms of aesthetics, but in a disrespectful, public, and gendered manner.
Minaj confirmed reports that her boss at Young Money Entertainment, rap star Lil Wayne, advised her not to perform. Wayne also withdrew all Young Money-affiliated artists from the show. Lil Wayne explained his decision: I dont know what anyone else believes, but I believe females deserve the ultimate respect at all times no matter, when or how I feel like a womans supposed to be respected at all times, therefore I believe I made the right decision.[2] Rosenberg responded to Lil Waynes comments by asking whether or not stating his opinion about a song constituted a lack of respect for women. Then Rosenberg sought to illustrate Waynes hypocrisy by playing some of his misogynistic lyrics. Rosenberg punctuated his point by declaring, Weezy F. the F doesnt stand for feminist, alright.[3]
Nicki Minaj defended hers and Waynes actions to Hot97s DJ Funkmaster Flex the following day. In her phone call with Flex, she firmly pointed out Rosenbergs sexism: For this person to single out the one female on the bill. Im holding it down for women. She elaborated (and I am paraphrasing), Every woman needs to know that it does not matter what people say about you. After a certain amount of time, when you put in a certain amount of work you deserve respect.[4] Flex grew defensive, denying Rosenbergs comments constituted an attack on women. Then he protected Rosenbergs right to express his opinion although he admitted that Rosenberg voiced it at the wrong time.
Observers like New York Timess Jon Caramanica called attention to Rosenbergs ethnicity (Hes Jewish.) and his backwardness. Essence writer Demetria L. Lucas and Rosenberg, pointed to Lil Waynes (misogynistic) lyrics as a sign of hypocrisy and opportunism.[5] Their insights, of course, are productive. Yet, this spat between Rosenberg and Hot97 and Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, and Young Money highlights the embeddeness of gender inequity in hip hop.
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There were other (male) artists he could have dissed, along with their fans. I think the reason he didn't is obvious. I also think the 'but lil Wayne's sexist lyrics' stuff is nonsense. To me it's no different than telling someone who dares to start taking a stand about global warming that they shouldn't talk if they drive anything but a Prius or some other hybrid. This kind of change doesn't happen overnight or all at once. We need to encourage this awareness of sexism, not pretend that nobody can criticize it unless they're perfect. Nobody is perfect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)about some people that when called out on their B.S., they immediately go to the "I have a RIGHT to express MY opinion" line ... and when that falls limp, they fall back on the tried and true, "Well, they do it too!" line.
Here's an idea: Shut your mouth, open your mind; listen, learn and grow.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)"Here's an idea: Shut your mouth, open your mind; listen, learn and grow."
Love it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he respects women.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)He obviously respects Nicki as an artist, though.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)He probably spoke out because the DJ disrespected one of his artists.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)It could be that Rosenberg was taking the side of Lil Kim, one of the first female rappers; sadly, Kim has been attacking Minaj all over the place.
As far as "real hip hop" Hot 97, with it's love of stirring rivalries between artists, really needs to keep it's fat mouth shut. They enjoy controversy for it's own sake.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)buying it. something else is going on.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)but it's good to see a dialog about women in hip hop and the extra hurdles they deal with.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Who else (or what other music) was on the schedule to play that night? I looked through the article a the link but couldn't find much help. I just want to understand this a little better because honestly, as stated, I think there's more to the story when lil Wayne comes out on the right side of an issue (regarding feminism). Lil Wayne... really?!?
Why was Minaj snubbed and who else was favored over her?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)So... yeah.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)I've never even heard that phrase before. I'm assuming that's a person or band? LOL, I'm too old to keep up with this.
At first I was thinking, "Well, Starships isn't really 'that' hip-hop of a song... maybe that was the cause for the disparagement." (And compared to the 80's & 90's hip hop I wasused to, it really isn't. Starships is more of a pop song, IMO.) But now, maybe I'll just leave the issue be for more knowlegable/hip people. I mean... I heard a Beiber "rap" song the other day and almost got in an accident. I mean, really... WTF... Justin Beiber rapping?!?
Rap music upsets me... maybe I'm just getting to be too "middle-aged white-guy".
MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Dre... now that was rap.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)You ARE white!
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)No shit, I kid you not... my wife looked out the window last week and yelled at me for walking outside in the driveway in my socks, that I might ruin them. I informed her, "Honey, I'm not wearing socks" (and the wiggled my toes to show her).
I wear socks everywhere, even with sandals.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you are one of those. what is that? my father is like that too. i am barefoot most of my life. only put on shoes, often no socks, when i have to.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Bare feet on soles, no es bueno.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)My favorite hip hop song of all time is "Big Gun"------by Ice T, not exactly a feminist supporter. And it's not that it's not a a sexist song at its core, it's about a women who doesn't take any shit and is a violent as she needs to be.
Not the answer to the problem of sexism in hip hop, that probably lies in the strong, vocal support of female artists and quite possibly a few more 'payback' songs like Big Gun. Women's voices and lyrics are out there, it's a matter of getting play and respect. In a testosterone driven part of the music industry, its got to be hard to break through, just as it would be hard to break through in Metal (although OTEP does)