we were talking the grayson issue, and a thread in GD. very much a womans issue.

[seabeyond]

i put time and thought into those posts, because it was a subject i wanted to discuss, hear other womens perspective. the OP was shut down. i do not know why. i am not starting over. i meant what i posted in there. and i do not see a way to drag the conversation here. not gonna spell it all out in this OP. cause it is in THAT THREAD.

so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125552408

read this thread and if you want to have a conversation about any of the parts of the alleged divorce, information, lack of facts, facts... whatever. that we were discussing in that thread.

we are not going to be able to have the conversation in GD, the thread is already too messed up, i stopped smoking and not going back in it. lol. i do not have the patience.

i do think it is a conversation to be had.

[ismnotwasm]

1. I'm missing something

But it might have to do with ignore- is there more than one Grayson thread?

[seabeyond]

2. there is a thread in gd. man. i could only post 2, 3 times. it was horrendous in ways.

i could not go back in this morning.

but. there were very real issues. and very real issues in what was being said in that thread. that are absolute issues for women. i was gonna start a thread. and again. didnt get to it. so when jt did a thread, i threw out al the stuff i was thinking last night, and did not bother with.

then the conversation was shut down.

man.....

lol

[ismnotwasm]

3. Huh

I'll find it

Ok it's the one I thoght it was, I can't see the thread because of personal preferences. Now to do some research

[kcr]

4. What a bullshit hide.

But then again, the MRA viewpoint is protected at DU and has been for some time.

[seabeyond]

5. well fuck. another feminist voice down and out cause she did not make nice enough with the boys.

skinner says if we get hides, it is cause we are not presenting ourselves in a manner to be liked.

i was thinking about that

so, how am i suppose to present myself to a man that create a violent rape scenario for me to experience in real life? how do we present ourselves in a manner that will allow the men that point the finger at feminist as the ultimate in bad and evil. to be liked well enough we do not get stalkers?

tuesday, baines, me, jtfrog....

the baddest of the bad. because?

some people do not like us and that is our bad. for sure.

sorry jt. k. you are flagged probably too. so. you cannot do email. i want the juries .... fb? i think you will be able to read your pms, just not reply. so. i will send you my fb. so i can talk to you. hope you are pissed enough to still be reading, at least, lol. and not have walked.

[seabeyond]

6. break down the numbers. since it is being said she is getting 12,500. a month. not true. 2,400 a

month.

this is why.

stating the 10k he is putting in the house, is part of payment is bullshit. it is not.

there is no way with her current income she would make the choice to live in such an expensive to run and maintain home, on 2,400 a month. it cannot be done. not even close. but, cause graysen adds that into her monthly payment, he keeps her cash poor.

IF she was truly getting 12,500 month to make her decisions, she could easily afford a 4 bedroom, that would all to live in a manner, not too far from where they are, comfortable. BUT...

she does not get that cash to make that decision and make things right for all.

because she is being held $ hostage.

right?

at 2,400 a month, in florida, there school district? she cannot get a 3, 4 bedroom resident. so she is stuck in that filth of a house that is a health hazard for her kids.

[BainsBane]

9. No way Florida would give her benefits if she had that much

The state isn't exactly generous in terms of social services.

I read a different thread on this situation yesterday, and I found many of the posts upsetting. I don't understand a notion of politics or justice that revolves around individuals over issues and principles.

[seabeyond]

12. she gets about 2,400, cash. for five kids used to living millionaire life and have rich lifestyle.

in a millionaire house that to maintain, needs a millionaire income.

she is living off 2,400 a month. 6 people.

they include another 10k for mortgage, insurance, utilities and phones.

that is wrong. she does not have the ability to downgrade her expense. because she does not have the cash to make thoses choices.

she is cash poor, and he is merely maintaining a roof over their head, while wasting the little money she has on a huge ass house, not men to be cared for by an out of work person.

[ismnotwasm]

11. I'm still doing research

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What we have is a messy divorce, and a bunch of news stories. I just listened to a 911 call were she says he's having affairs and disturbing "her peace"--which is why she called 911--he was "disturbing her peace" admits to pushing him, cancels the call "he's leaving now" then another 2 days later from a hospital were she says she was pushed 2 days ago. She sounds Fhillipina to me, and I suspect the first 'marriage" was something unresolved from her country of origin, probably well known to both parties.

Pure conjecture on my part. Edit: this sounds completely untrue, her divorcce papers, according to Grayson were 'secretly filed in 1994' she says 1980 in Guam.

Her lawyer says the house is a disgrace. She was a stay at home Mom, with no outside income, for 24years. The $10,000 is just a number tossed around although one of the news articles quotes a lawyer saying "if she's a bad housekeeper it's not his fault"

I'm going to see if there are any legal documents.

At this point I see misbehavior from both parties, but the fact this women was able to even qualify for food stamps, as well as the lunch program from the schools, is telling. Even if Grayson sent her money, there is no record of it if she's available for food stamps.

[seabeyond]

13. here is the point. i am sure i would not sit on a porch with either of the people. dont care.

my problem was the gd thread of no facts, numbers, what is up and totally mra'in the conversation.

and thank you for the info you provided. i really do not do the drama trauma shit. but. i wanted at least a little fairness in talking the $ and reality of the millionaire throwing the rest of the family to poverty

[ismnotwasm]

15. There's no facts cause it's all gossip

I stayed mostly unaware of the thread, because of a personal choice.

I get you though Sea, I'm sure it's the same old shit

[seabeyond]

18. that is how my approach was first post. i do not care, i do not want to learn. walked away

to come back to a .... omg, look at the shit being said. no. just NO.

[randys1]

26. I defer to Women on Women's issues, ALWAYS but remember, Alan Grayson is a major

target of the worst people on this planet, the ugliest and most corrupt humans alive like Karl Rove.

If he is improperly treating her and the kids, then so be it, i will denounce him for that, but because it is him, because it comes out days before an election, I have my suspicions.

By defer I mean I dont pretend to know something that a Woman doesnt about Women, I do the same for everybody really

[BainsBane]

7. That hide put her on a forced leave too

[seabeyond]

8. yes. it did. i dunno. she used the mra word and now? that is a hide. hmmmm.

hey woman

[BainsBane]

10. It would help to see the jury results

but I'm guessing that the fact Grayson is supposedly a member played into it. I think it not outside the realm of possibility that those posts are generated by staff, since he doubtless is a very busy man.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Here

I thought it regarding was the thread I have hidden, and I saw no reason to hide the post. I'm juror number 5

On Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

If you care more about vindication against a woman than your own kids...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125552408

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person already had a post hidden for making this assertion a few minutes ago http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5739703 and then ran to a protected group to make the same nasty assertion about DUers again. Making the assertion about DUers without evidence that they are in a hate group (as SPLC calls MRA's hate groups) is bad enough. In the specific case she is asserting, Grayson is paying $600/mo per child in child support and $10,000 a month for their housing. That doesn't come close to being a deadbeat dad by any stretch of the imagination. If you are going to accuse DUers of being in a hate group, you better be 100% correct. Doing it like this without proof and when in fact you are wrong, is reckless and irresponsible.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:40 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have no earthly idea what this is all about, and I will say that I don't like the term "MRA" or "misogynist" or whatever being used as invective to merely silence or shame someone who disagrees with you (anymore than I like using the word "feminist" as an insult or pejorative). That said, however, this is a group, not a forum (as DU defines it), and I think more leeway should be allowed in protected groups (and yes, this added leeway must go for the Men's Group or the BOG or any other protected group).
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unfounded and unproven accusation against a DUer and against a person who IS taking care of his kids and is NOT a deadbeat dad, as the alerter stated.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: ID10T
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[seabeyond]

16. alice cooper

a fav

[ismnotwasm]

19. Love that song!

[seabeyond]

17. glad to see alerter at least acknowledges MRA a hate group. nt

[ismnotwasm]

20. Too true

I've seen a few argue that they are not,

[BainsBane]

21. The alerters must be happy with their progress

Soon DU won't have a single feminist left, and it will be the white male supremacist safe haven they so badly want. Or perhaps just a space where people don't have to be reminded of the undesirables who make up the majority of the population.

I don't actually think Grayson is an MRA, but that ideology certainly is present on this site. The "proof' is in the arguments a few make, which are identical to those made on MRA sites. That they repeatedly reference long-outdated studies touted by MRA big wigs is certainly evidence for it. That some refuse to aquaint themselves with the most basic MRA ideas and instead prefer to silence those who point it out show what it is they find objectionable. Juries choose not to hide such hate speech but instead hide feminist speech, which makes clear what community standards are. My post will of course violate those standards since it fails to assert that women are responsible for forcing a mass shooter to kill them by not providing sex on demand, doesn't insist a woman should give up her children when a rich man demands it, and doesn't blame a woman for her own battery. Until I do so, I will never be an acceptable part of this community. Spoiler: I won't be doing so.

[LanternWaste]

23. None of them are clever enough or patient enough.

"Soon DU won't have a single feminist left, and it will be the white male supremacist safe haven they so badly want..."

None of them are clever enough or patient enough to be long enough to maintain any sort of victory, even a Pyrrhic one (yo, Lurking Dudebro's: look up Pyrrhic-- but it's not a skirt so you may not like it) -- illustrated accurately enough by your observation that the MRA site arguments are their arguments used here-- and after yesterday, Limbaugh's arguments too.



History is catching up to them and biting them on their pimply behinds... of course they're angry and full of rage-- my paternal granddad was too when civil rights were made law.

[seabeyond]

24. hugz. thank you. happy halloween. nt

[ismnotwasm]

27. Heh

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. ?

ID10T ... #6 ... ?

[seabeyond]

25. ya. ;). nt

[seabeyond]

28. here are the results of the first hide i believe.

Wow.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5739703

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing DUers of belonging to a group said to be a hate group by SPLC without evidence.

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A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:56 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: seems like alert stalking LEAVE
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Explanation: Really?
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No

explanation given

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she was unflagged quickly so yea, for that. can do pm's now.

[ismnotwasm]

29. Still researching

But it's lookng like Grayson is an asshole.

[seabeyond]

30. yA?

I SO DID NOT WANT YOU TO SPEND THIS TIME. BUT IT IS (oops) all interesting what it appears is being done. so typical for this situation. but see, a couple years ago i saw it on msnbc interview or something. and he thought he was so damn smart. that was when i washed my hands of him. i do not respect smarmy.

let me know what you conclude. OR

go enjoy halloween....

[ismnotwasm]

31. No kids at home -- don't care about Halloween

Used to go all out though.

Naw me and hubby are gonna have a steak and hand out candy. I'm just looking around because I'm curious how this man got so stupid as to handle the situation this way, I also didn't realize it has been going on so long. He might have cost us a Demcratic seat- or not if he paints his wife as a bigamist. She says as far as she knew she was divorced in 1981 in Guam.

[seabeyond]

32. i would imagine she thought they divorce. and i would guess, was a real wtf? well, make it final,

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and he damn well knew.

and why does he think he can get away with it? cause, he thinks he is all that in smooth, and he isnt. and cause, arrogance and ego. lol.

last year was my last year. we made it big every year. the boys really were creative and made a grave yard, coffins. fogger, all. make little kids cry, and i would be the one running, chasing them down, lol, to get them their candy.

i gave all the stuff to a niece that bought a house, and has little ones. pass it on.

put up a barrier on stairs so they did not even bother.

use to have hundreds of treaters, 100 in candy, and done by 8:30.

the street is dead. so this yr has been interesting. peaceful.

boys grew up and move away, or on their way. son has football tonight. so ya.

done with this one. lol. two decades.

[ismnotwasm]

33. I used have parties

Totally decorated the house so it looked like a haunted house, had a scull jello mold I'd use gummy worms in-- all kinds of decorations, the obligatory carbon dioxide in the punch so it looked like witches brew. It was a blast, but a lot of work. Happy to pass the torch.