Washington School Shooter Joins Long List of Killers Seeking Vengeance Against Women

[eridani]

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/26604-washington-school-shooter-joins-long-list-of-killers-seeking-vengeance-against-women

Marysville-Pilchuck High School freshman Jaylen Fryberg shot three girls and two of his male cousins in the school cafeteria Friday morning before killing himself. One student told the Seattle Times that Fryberg was “angry about a romantic relationship he was involved in, and that the girl was one of the people shot.” CNN reported that his girlfriend had just broken up with him.

If these early reports are accurate, Fryberg unfortunately joins a long list of men who commit violence against women who they feel have wronged them. Another young man, Elliott Rodger, opened fire on a Santa Barbara university campus earlier this year after becoming obsessed with punishing “every single blonde slut” who he felt had rejected him. Shortly after the Santa Barbara shooting, a website called “When Women Refuse” went viral, documenting how frequently women are targeted by men who feel slighted or rejected.

Forty percent of mass shootings start with the gunman targeting his wife, girlfriend, or ex. And access to firearms makes it seven times more likely that a domestic abuser will kill his partner.

Teenage girls are the most likely demographic to suffer at the hands of an abusive partner. While Fryberg’s rampage took this violence to the extreme, a quarter of high school girls have been physically or sexually abused, sometimes starting as early as sixth grade. Many don’t realize threats or violence is unusual, and therefore don’t report it or try to get a restraining order.

[Recursion]

1. I think the key to this is understanding narcissism and the narcissistic injury

And this awful, awful story seems to be a type study for it.

[eridani]

2. So why aren't girls narcissistic?

Seems more like a matter of entitlement, which all to many men, narcissist or otherwise, seem to have.

[Recursion]

3. Could be

That said, narcissistic injuries and narcissistic rage regarding love and sex are not unknown among women; literature is filled with the trope, after all? ("Hell hath no fury", etc.)

In the particulars of this day and age, I'm not sure... just thought this was a good topic...

As to why American men are in general so much more violent than American women? Well, that answer goes back to essentialism...

[eridani]

4. To find out for sure, we'll have to experience a very severe battery shortage n/t

[Recursion]

5. Are you thinking of the Lysistrata plan? (nt)

[eridani]

6. I was thinking of what might happen if modern feminine aid "appliances" stopped working n/t

[Recursion]

7. Hm... I'm lost

Sorry, I'm just not following you there.

[CTyankee]

12. I am guessing that this is a reference to sex toys, Recursion.

[mercuryblues]

21. why yes

It also implies that a woman would go on a murderous rampage if she doesn't have access to sex toys. The media is just filled with Nuns committing mass murder. etc.

[CTyankee]

22. And there's that...

[Warpy]

28. Not much while the vegetable section of the supermarket is still open

"Oh well I'm away home for there's nobody heedin'
There's nobody heedin' to poor Annie's pleadin'
And I'm away home to me own wee bit garret
If I can't get a man then I'll surely get a carrot

For it's oh dear me, how will it be, if I die an old maid in a garret "

One of my favorite pub songs.

[whathehell]

10. Not "unknown" but a whole lot less..

Most of that literature, including that "woman scorned" bs, was written by men.

[MattSh]

13. Girls aren't narcissistic?

That's news. To just about everybody.

[bettyellen]

17. Sexist crap. Women are less prone to violent rages caused by narcissism and entitlement.

You seem to think this is somehow related to touching up your lipstick or something benign like that. Not even close.

[sunnystarr]

15. Girls are smart enough to know

that you can't get even when you're dead. It's too final. They live with even the tiniest sliver of hope for a happy ending.

[Sancho]

8. Here goes again...it's not a gender problem: people possess guns when they should not!

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[whathehell]

11. It's both a gun and a gender problem.

Men use guns far more frequently -- They even use guns to kill themselves more often.

[ncjustice80]

14. Why not just ban them? That is the only way to reduce gun violence. Its a barbaric practice anyway.

[Sancho]

16. Likely you are correct, most guns and certainly some kinds of guns are insane for home ownership.

I doubt you'd ever ban "guns" however they were defined. Over time, new weapons would simply replace guns.

I still think the best answer is to keep people who are unstable, young, or criminal from easily possessing weapons (including guns), hand grenades, or anything to be created in the future.

We take a vision test in order to drive! Driving has an age limit and learners permit. Not a perfect system, but it probably helps. Why not an interview and examination and personal review to begin the gun possession process?

If society wants to protect others from irrational, impulsive, and criminal acts like shootings, then simply have a serious and appropriate license in order to buy, possess, or use weapons like guns. It won't keep folks from faking licenses, etc., but it would prevent much of the easily avoidable violence.

[noiretextatique]

19. so, where are the all the females who commit mass murder?

with guns?

[Sancho]

20. They may not get press, but they exist...here's one...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/female_mass_murderer/1.html

Just after 9 p.m. on Jan. 30, 2006, Jennifer San Marco passed through a heavily guarded security station in a mail processing plant and distribution center in Goleta, Calif., by driving behind another vehicle to enter the building where she had worked two years earlier. No one realized that she had just killed her former neighbor, Beverly Graham, with a shot to the head in her apartment. They apparently also did not realize that she was armed with a 15-round, 9mm Smith & Wesson pistol and ammunition.

At gunpoint, San Marco took an employee's badge, according to early news reports. The 44-year-old then shot two people in the parking lot before entering the building to shoot four more before she turned the gun on herself, taking her own life. Five died at the location from their wounds and the sixth person died two days later in the hospital. Since San Marco had left behind no suicide note, her motives remain in question.

San Marco had a history of strange behavior, and it was her mental problems that apparently led to her retirement from the post office in 2003 after six years of employment. At that time, she moved to New Mexico. There, she attempted to start a publication, The Racist Press, in 2004, but did not have a license. Those who attended a meeting with her at the time recalled that she sat mumbling to herself in a way that sounded as if she were two people arguing.

[seabeyond]

23. you had to go back 6 yrs ago. i think htat makes the point.

[Sancho]

25. There are plenty..look it up..

The point is that people should not have guns if they are dangerous. Has nothing to do with gender.

[seabeyond]

26. you may not want it to be about gender. but, when our privileged, entitled boys/men

murder cause women do not make themselves available to them, then it certainly is about gender.

[Sancho]

27. Women in countries where they can't drive don't get in wrecks..

If women continue to join the military, etc....the next generation will have more women murderers. Society changes. That is a side issue.

I'm saying that dangerous people should not possess guns. I don't care what gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion they represent.

[noiretextatique]

30. please...stop

this has moved beyond absurd to ridiculous.

[freshwest]

31. The thread has been highjacked. Most people won't bother to read past it now. Sigh.

[noiretextatique]

32. kick

to hell with the disrupter!

[noiretextatique]

29. how ridiculous is this attempt at false equivalency?

it is absolutely INSANE to keep denying reality.

[whathehell]

9. The prevalence of these acts is what makes the old line about a "woman scorned" such a sick joke..

[seabeyond]

24. " "woman scorned" such a sick joke.." exactly. man scorned, kills. women kill trying to get away. nt

[greatlaurel]

18. Here is a list of the Lap Dogs of the NRA in Congress from the Brady Campaign.

http://lapdogscorecard.org/pdf/lapdog-scorecard-report-2014.pdf

Do not forget who allows this violence against women to continue.