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redqueen

(115,096 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:46 PM Feb 2014

'Harpies', 'shrews', 'hags', 'prudes'... (HOF THREAD)

Last edited Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)

I know it's always been popular to see how much of this shit one can get away with here, but it seems like during this most recent affront to the social acceptability of the sexual objectification of women, there's been even less effort to be subtle about it.

Did I miss any?

Can you imagine what that pinned thread up top would look like if anyone bothered to update it as often as it was warranted?

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'Harpies', 'shrews', 'hags', 'prudes'... (HOF THREAD) (Original Post) redqueen Feb 2014 OP
sluts. the B word. The C word. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #1
Is it me or does it seem more in-your-face now? redqueen Feb 2014 #3
hard for me to say, rq Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #5
It's an internet thing, IMO. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #28
You know, it is the minority of women defending this crap that upsets me more than anything else... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #39
It always goes like this BainsBane Feb 2014 #42
Another example just today, in GD. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #46
Yes--sluts. If you aren't a prude, you're a slut eridani Feb 2014 #58
I see that seab took another one for the team. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #2
I wonder who she called out this time. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #6
Does that mean she's banned again TDale313 Feb 2014 #32
Yes,if you go read her transparency page, sufrommich Feb 2014 #34
Wow, that's just ridiculous. TDale313 Feb 2014 #35
Yep, no alert stalking here. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #61
Wow, every one of those hides is absolute garbage Scootaloo Feb 2014 #53
The hypocrisy of our alert stalking fans: sufrommich Feb 2014 #4
"Why is it so many of the alerts I'm called on to judge involve seabeyond?" redqueen Feb 2014 #8
Yeah,I noticed that too. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #11
Oh suuuuure. There's no alert stalking going on. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #21
and why is it that NONE of the alerts I am called on to judge involve sea??? niyad Feb 2014 #80
I dunno. redqueen Feb 2014 #81
wow, I missed all of those. amazing what gets left, and what gets alerted--but no real surprise. niyad Feb 2014 #82
I don't know, I see someone here less than 90 days with 2 hidden posts and I used to seaglass Feb 2014 #23
n00bs get a free pass on insults? Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #40
Frigid, hysterical, incoherent ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #7
Or claiming that they are drunk. Or telling them all they need is a dick. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #9
LOL yes, 'shrill' is popular indeed. redqueen Feb 2014 #12
Earlier I saw the old See You Next Tuesday phrase used to describe a woman. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #10
Wow. "See You Next Tuesday"? ... amazing. redqueen Feb 2014 #14
I expressed my disappointment, and he countered with the old argument Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #18
It's a play on the old racist standby sufrommich Feb 2014 #19
Yep. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #20
Growing up in Texas, I can't even count the number of times I heard that very thing. redqueen Feb 2014 #22
Heard the same thing in Pennsylvania. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #24
Heard it all my life here in Michigan too. If only sufrommich Feb 2014 #25
Actually they do use the N word BainsBane Feb 2014 #43
Do you know if it was alerted on, and hidden? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #44
One I alerted on, and it was hidden BainsBane Feb 2014 #45
I never thought that any of those words, socially acceptable or not, Aristus Feb 2014 #13
Elucidate please. ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #15
'Harpies', 'shrews', 'hags', etc. Aristus Feb 2014 #17
So? This thread isn't about objectification. redqueen Feb 2014 #26
Well we have a difference of opinion there ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #27
They're about keeping women in their place. TDale313 Feb 2014 #30
Because it's all about being sexually alluring RBStevens Feb 2014 #33
WTF? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #16
And now you have the lounge in a nutshell. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #36
+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #41
If I write anything on this thread JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #29
Bless you... redqueen Feb 2014 #31
check out bettyellen's posts JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #37
Finally managed to find those... redqueen Feb 2014 #60
I've been alerted on JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #38
But there's no gaspee Feb 2014 #48
Well the jury let it stand JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #50
don't forget "man-hater" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #47
I'm still laughing about that! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #49
Yes, the old man-hating male thing RBStevens Feb 2014 #54
because obviously only a man-hating woman would object to a hostile geek tragedy Feb 2014 #55
Right. Besides that RBStevens Feb 2014 #56
Sadly, I haven't caught an accusation of white-knighting yet. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #51
Yeah, that or "mangina." nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #52
"Purity brigade". MadrasT Feb 2014 #57
Feminazi, thanks Rush. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #59
"Puritans". n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #62
oh. and the irony of being called a "Net Nanny" by a "Net Bully" has not escaped me either. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #63
Yup... But two juries knocked him back down a peg. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #64
and that sends a loud and clear message, doesn't it? Actions speak Louder than words sometimes. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #66
+100000000000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #72
I'm not exactly sure what this means but RBStevens Feb 2014 #70
yep. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #73
Pretty much... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #75
Okay thank you for the explanation :) RBStevens Feb 2014 #78
I got called that yesterday for telling sufrommich Feb 2014 #65
I am -so- tempted ... the next time a DUer asks for money and states their plight to DU ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #67
Reminds me of homophobic assholes claiming they're being 'bullied' when people tell them redqueen Feb 2014 #74
also, the old victim gambit, when exposing someone to the truth of their actions Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #68
How old is a person that has to come into a Political Message Board and ask permission Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #69
When people start using right wing talking points, I stop taking them seriously. redqueen Feb 2014 #76
and calling themselves victims and allowing their White knights to come to their rescue Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #77
OMG - the 'you're just jealous' one!! RBStevens Feb 2014 #79
and the talk about dumping steaming piles of bullshit. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #71

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
1. sluts. the B word. The C word.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:52 PM
Feb 2014

and for women to call each other these words on a Democratic site ... it just boggles my mind, redqueen.

It doesn't matter if it is The Lounge.

The Lounge is a part of DU

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
3. Is it me or does it seem more in-your-face now?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:27 PM
Feb 2014

Well, most of it.

I did see an example where one man got away with pretending to 'discuss' the c-word. So at least with that word, people still have to be subtle.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
5. hard for me to say, rq
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:30 PM
Feb 2014

it has been in my face since the inception of DU3 but, you must be aware (at the time) I was the only regular female 2Aer on the board.

Being a pro 2A woman around here was pretty rare. Plenty of con 2A women.

I took a lot of =abuse=

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
28. It's an internet thing, IMO.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

Very few popular forums online are as closely moderated in terms of the use of such language as DU is. Not all are as over-the-top as, say, 4chan, but you still read words like those quite commonly. I think that's produced a degree of desensitization in a lot of people, and that leads to greater use of those terms.

An inevitable downside to the increase in freedom of expression that our ever-increasing immersion in the online world creates? I hope not...but I think only time will tell.

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
39. You know, it is the minority of women defending this crap that upsets me more than anything else...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:55 PM
Feb 2014

I think it gives me perspective on how African Americans must feel having Allen West deign to speak on THEIR behalf. uggh.

Ingratiating themselves with those few who (at their worst) would oppress, deride, ridicule, demean, and defeat them... Unbelievable.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
42. It always goes like this
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:36 PM
Feb 2014

"I am a woman and you don't speak for me" or "your little faction doesn't speak for me." I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself, but that's their way of delegiimating feminist views they oppose.

I used to find it more perplexing than I do now. At his point I just accept that some people are that way, but I don't engage them in discussion. They are entitled to their opinions, but they aren't entitled to use me as an outlet for their rage. Some do anyway, but since I have them on ignore, I usually don't see it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
46. Another example just today, in GD.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:59 PM
Feb 2014

A poster used a dog whistle term for the C-word ("See You Next Tuesday&quot in a thread on GD...and it survived an alert.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
58. Yes--sluts. If you aren't a prude, you're a slut
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:07 PM
Feb 2014

You lose either way, which is precisely why they do that.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
34. Yes,if you go read her transparency page,
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:46 PM
Feb 2014

her last hidden post was for using the F word. When have you ever seen anything hidden for that????

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
35. Wow, that's just ridiculous.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:50 PM
Feb 2014

But nope, no alert stalkin' going on. Move along, nothin' to see here.

Fuck, this sucks, and yeah, I'll take the hide for saying it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
53. Wow, every one of those hides is absolute garbage
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:38 PM
Feb 2014

Has to be a product of alert-stalking. For crying out loud.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
4. The hypocrisy of our alert stalking fans:
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:30 PM
Feb 2014

Stream of consciousness.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4519948

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Incredibly rude newbie alert. Personal insults galore.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Feb 18, 2014, 09:47 AM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I vote leave since I did go back and read the conversation. The post seabeyond replied to very rudely was fine. Seabeyond came in and was rude and got rude back. Also, I don't hide for being a newbie. We've all been there. EVERYONE play nice if you want the rudeness to go away.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: While the poster freely admits to being feral, I think there is a better person deep inside. I hope this isn't how they truly conduct themselves and can use this lesson as a turning point in their life on du and in the outside world. Poster, please find a more productive outlet for your anger. Thanks.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, penalize a noob for responding to an insult with an insult? Why is it so many of the alerts I'm called on to judge involve seabeyond?



redqueen

(115,096 posts)
8. "Why is it so many of the alerts I'm called on to judge involve seabeyond?"
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:45 PM
Feb 2014

Well clearly they are just lying liars because there is no alert stalking going on!

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
81. I dunno.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 12:00 PM
Feb 2014

But it is incredible to me that posts like this aren't hidden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4221211
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024221456
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024532061#post88

(I only have recent examples and one I was reminded of recently because I don't bother retaining this kind of shit, but there are dozens if not hundreds of other examples of it.)


And then people explain that the reason so many of sea's innocuous posts are hidden is 'because confusion'.

niyad

(112,438 posts)
82. wow, I missed all of those. amazing what gets left, and what gets alerted--but no real surprise.
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:43 PM
Feb 2014

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
23. I don't know, I see someone here less than 90 days with 2 hidden posts and I used to
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:22 PM
Feb 2014

think, hmmm not a very good DUer. Now I think s/he fits right in.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
7. Frigid, hysterical, incoherent
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:43 PM
Feb 2014

Rambling, uptight, right-wing, humorless, echo- chamber, lockstep


Oh and Shrill-- one of my personal favorites. Cracks me up.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
12. LOL yes, 'shrill' is popular indeed.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:52 PM
Feb 2014

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It's so sadly typical that nasty attacks on sea like the one above are left to stand.

This jury system is the bees knees, I tell ya.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
10. Earlier I saw the old See You Next Tuesday phrase used to describe a woman.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

I didn't even bother to alert. What would be the point? The owner is so invested in telling himself that things are just A-OK here, in fact it's downright civil, and who are we to contradict that?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
18. I expressed my disappointment, and he countered with the old argument
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:14 PM
Feb 2014

that he doesn't say that often, and only uses it on women who deserve it. I wonder if he'd make the same argument about the n-word or the f****t-word. Does he only use those words on they who deserve it? I'm thinking not.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. It's a play on the old racist standby
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:20 PM
Feb 2014

for using the N word. "Well,you see,there's n....rs and then there's black people",every single racist I've ever seen called on using the N word has used the same goddamned excuse.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
22. Growing up in Texas, I can't even count the number of times I heard that very thing.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:22 PM
Feb 2014

I've even heard lifelong Dems say it... Shit like, 'Not all black people are *, just the ones who (insert idiotic rationalization for bigoted bullshit here)'

There was also a term for fixing something up in a halfass manner which involved using hate speech against black people. And they'd straight up tell you it was ok because they weren't directly using the term to describe a person.

Same old bullshit, different group being targeted.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
25. Heard it all my life here in Michigan too. If only
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:29 PM
Feb 2014

this were really just a southern problem,but we all know it's not.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
45. One I alerted on, and it was hidden
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 06:49 PM
Feb 2014

The second time I didn't, only because I don't know if the member is African American. I think he is not, but the name might suggest he is. I actually think the African American members of this site are quite conscious of the fact that some white folks are all too eager to use that word, so I don't think most would use it here. Perhaps I should have alerted. It was in LBN. I think it was in a thread about the Dunn verdict.

Aristus

(66,096 posts)
13. I never thought that any of those words, socially acceptable or not,
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:00 PM
Feb 2014

contributed to the sexual objectification of women.

Quite the opposite, actually...

Aristus

(66,096 posts)
17. 'Harpies', 'shrews', 'hags', etc.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Feb 2014

Not very sexually alluring terms...

They tend to allude to personality traits, not physical characteristics.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
26. So? This thread isn't about objectification.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:30 PM
Feb 2014

It's about how people on a democratic message board feel free to use sexist insults.

You're welcome for spelling it out for you.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
27. Well we have a difference of opinion there
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:30 PM
Feb 2014

In a unmoderated site, words almost always are referring to a woman's appearance during heated arguments--those are just the words you can get away with here.


Silencing is a part of objectifying, always.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
30. They're about keeping women in their place.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:37 PM
Feb 2014

Most the terms mentioned are derogatory terms aimed at women being "difficult" or "uppity" It's about telling women to stfu and quit their bitchin'- an attitude unfortunately that far too many seem to have been taking on DU.

And yes, it is objectification to use terms that imply a woman is less valuable if she's not sexually appealing to the person hurling the insult.

 

RBStevens

(227 posts)
33. Because it's all about being sexually alluring
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:44 PM
Feb 2014

and if the words do not describe sexually alluring (physical) it means it's a put down of personality.

Either way, women aren't right.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
29. If I write anything on this thread
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:36 PM
Feb 2014

It will be alerted on. I'm pissed to high holy hell at DU today.

So I support you. I agree. And I will not write anything to bring a ruckus or chaos into HOF today.

Wait - one thing I want to write . . . The "I'm so innocent playing stupid" thing - they aren't getting away with it. They will alert on seabeyond - but they won't on me. I make certain of it. I choose my words carefully.

But they aren't ALL getting away with it. And it's my intent to make the life of one DU'er in particular - with his casual mockery of women's and minority issues - so miserable at DU that he just stops logging on. I've got the same bead on him that I did a few of the Zimpig supporters and three of them have not been back since September.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
31. Bless you...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:41 PM
Feb 2014

I love your fighting spirit!

And I love all the women and other minorities here who refuse to shut up and accept the same old same old just cause that's 'the way it is'.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
37. check out bettyellen's posts
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:13 PM
Feb 2014

Today - that woman is brilliant. And tenacious. And oh so sweet as she delivers just desserts.

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
38. I've been alerted on
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:15 PM
Feb 2014


So someone alerted on me for basically saying I'm watching a member here who absolutely hates women. Go figure!

JustAnotherGen

(31,688 posts)
50. Well the jury let it stand
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:30 PM
Feb 2014
. Someday when I grow up I want have a lot of gold and have a fan club of Many Many men. Maybe then I'll get away with disruptive crapola without getting alerted on. A girl can dream can't she? But eh?

Then I think to myself and I say Adrienne - you HAVE a life. You don't have a need for a man - I mean fan club and followers at a discussion forum.

It's actually kind of pitiful and sad when you think about it. *sniff sniff sigh*
 

RBStevens

(227 posts)
56. Right. Besides that
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 08:53 PM
Feb 2014

"hate" is so energy consuming.

I don't have the time nor energy to spend on hate, but I do have it to call out misogynist/violent bullshit.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
51. Sadly, I haven't caught an accusation of white-knighting yet.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:32 PM
Feb 2014

Kinda feeling left out. Where's the Scootabuse?!

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
64. Yup... But two juries knocked him back down a peg.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:04 PM
Feb 2014

Admin will undoubtedly let him back once again to bully others.

 

RBStevens

(227 posts)
70. I'm not exactly sure what this means but
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:07 PM
Feb 2014

last night that fellows account was listed as Flagged for Review and this morning it says Active.

Does that mean that admin has looked at it and is allowing him to just keep on truckin'?

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
75. Pretty much...
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:15 PM
Feb 2014

he got caught up in a programmed flag because he'd had two or more locks in a 24 hour period, a tool designed to catch newbie disruptors/trolls...I think admin review on those is pretty perfunctory.

It is very hard for a long term DUer to be PPRd--especially if it is "only" for misogyny ( ) and most are careful not to step over the line in other areas, where the tolerance is far less. I'm sure it is good to have a high tolerance for long term members, but it is difficult to see the lack of uniformity in terms of the issues/infractions. But, it is, after all, Skinner's website.

 

RBStevens

(227 posts)
78. Okay thank you for the explanation :)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

That subthread is one of the most egregious things I've seen in a long time - two people just bazillioning down on their complete lack of empathy.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
67. I am -so- tempted ... the next time a DUer asks for money and states their plight to DU ...
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:08 PM
Feb 2014

to call them a Liar. Good gawdamn. It pisses me right the fuck off.

ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDING ME???????????????????

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
74. Reminds me of homophobic assholes claiming they're being 'bullied' when people tell them
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:14 PM
Feb 2014

how fucked up their hateful, ugly, bigoted opinions are.

Cry me a fucking river

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
68. also, the old victim gambit, when exposing someone to the truth of their actions
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014

is NOT attacking; it is merely telling them the truth about them self. That they did not realize how they looked to other people is not my issue. Telling the truth about how it looks to me is my perception. That I can paint a colorful picture with my words is my talent and I will use it.

It is not my fault that they do not like what they are seeing reflected back at them.

The truth hurts but, then it will set you free.

I will not apologize for telling the truth.

I am sorry that the truth was so painful.

That is all.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
69. How old is a person that has to come into a Political Message Board and ask permission
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

to wear a bathing suit?

I mean, mentally, how old is this person?

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
76. When people start using right wing talking points, I stop taking them seriously.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:17 PM
Feb 2014

- you're just jealous
- women love being objectified
- women are liars

That was all I needed to see.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
77. and calling themselves victims and allowing their White knights to come to their rescue
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:20 PM
Feb 2014

because I am fighting so hard for them to be as slutty as they want to be and they think it hurts me to call me a prude because I more selective in who I want to fuck than they are....

I may need to delete this one.

Read and let me know.

But, redqueen I get more confused by the day about what the fuck is going on here.

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