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Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 03:28 PM Apr 2012

This book has been banned in many schools - about controlling women's reproduction (and all else)

Last edited Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Years ago when I first read The Handmaid's Tale, I couldn't put it down. I had to read the whole thing, then re-read it to make sure I'd absorbed everything. I couldn't believe it. I had had misgivings about many Republican ideas floating about at that time, and which unfortunately are still around, like flotsam, stinking up our country:

1) The idea that women belonged in the home, that women choosing their destiny was destroying the country.
2) Watching certain women proclaim that the women's movement was bad for women -
trying to destroy the women's movement, such as Phyllis Schlafly was doing.
3) The notion that abortion was a murder.
4) So-called "feminists" who felt that women were being denied the "right" to be homemakers. (What kind of bullshit was that?)

And much more.

And then all of a sudden appeared The Handmaid's Tale. It might appear a bit sci-fi and futuristic, but in truth it's a very clear look at what our country would be like if right wing "Christians" (and yes, the quotations are intentional), took over. It scared the living daylights out of me and still does, because it's all too real. Their motives and what they seek even in 2012, are made evident in the book. They're still trying to destroy women's rights, as we know all too well if we read the news.

Here's an excerpt from an article published this year about this polemic 1980s book which tells it like it is about right wing "Christians":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jan/20/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood

The Handmaid's Tale has not been out of print since it was first published, back in 1985. It has sold millions of copies worldwide and has appeared in a bewildering number of translations and editions. It has become a sort of tag for those writing about shifts towards policies aimed at controlling women, and especially women's bodies and reproductive functions...

...The Handmaid's Tale has often been called a "feminist dystopia", but that term is not strictly accurate. In a feminist dystopia pure and simple, all of the men would have greater rights than all of the women. It would be two-layered in structure: top layer men, bottom layer women. But Gilead is the usual kind of dictatorship: shaped like a pyramid, with the powerful of both sexes at the apex, the men generally outranking the women at the same level; then descending levels of power and status with men and women in each, all the way down to the bottom, where the unmarried men must serve in the ranks before being awarded an Econowife...

...Like any theocracy, this one would select a few passages from the Bible to justify its actions, and it would lean heavily towards the Old Testament, not towards the New. Since ruling classes always make sure they get the best and rarest of desirable goods and services, and as it is one of the axioms of the novel that fertility in the industrialised west has come under threat, the rare and desirable would include fertile women – always on the human wish list, one way or another – and reproductive control. Who shall have babies, who shall claim and raise those babies, who shall be blamed if anything goes wrong with those babies? These are questions with which human beings have busied themselves for a long time...



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This book has been banned in many schools - about controlling women's reproduction (and all else) (Original Post) Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 OP
Probably banned b/c it's giving away their ultimate gameplan. no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1
Exactly right! nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #3
Bingo. hifiguy Apr 2012 #7
1984 must read in middle school here in texas. high school has list of controversial banned books seabeyond Apr 2012 #9
And I've noticed that it's precisely those banned books that the kids should be reading Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #13
panhandle of texas, full of rw christians.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #15
Lucky and unusual. Texas, by the way, is where the major RW censorship of textbooks has its base, Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #17
ya. that was down south of us. i dont know what became of that, seabeyond Apr 2012 #18
Thank goodness for that. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #19
ya... i thought i was gonna have to address seabeyond Apr 2012 #20
it was required reading at my wife's school d_r Apr 2012 #2
Women over a certain age know all this HockeyMom Apr 2012 #4
But the right wing faux Christian propaganda is pervasive. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #5
You are talking to a catholic school grad of 1966 HockeyMom Apr 2012 #6
Oh, absolutely. I went to one year of Catholic school. However, nothing is quite as vicious and Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #8
all we have are christian private here seabeyond Apr 2012 #10
I didn't read the book, I saw the film Smilo Apr 2012 #11
I wonder if they'd admit it. They'd be too blindingly angry because they may be evil, but they Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #16
I think of this book every time Shana Apr 2012 #12
I can't disagree with you. I don't know why right wingers have such a hold in the U.S. or why Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #14
Scariest book I've ever read! TNLib Apr 2012 #21
Right wingnuts, Christian fundies and right wing Christian fundies don't like Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #24
Read it 3 times over the years. MadrasT Apr 2012 #22
I do know what you mean. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #23
K&R. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #25
Thank you, and yes, it illustrates the dangers so well it's terrifying nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #26
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. 1984 must read in middle school here in texas. high school has list of controversial banned books
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:56 PM
Apr 2012

for the kids to choose, sophomore AP english.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
13. And I've noticed that it's precisely those banned books that the kids should be reading
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:01 PM
Apr 2012

They're the ones that tell the truth, the ones that cause one to think, the ones that open up discussion about those things in our society that are wrong, which is why it's always right wing "Christians" that are censoring those books.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. panhandle of texas, full of rw christians....
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:04 PM
Apr 2012

but, what i have been thrilled and proud of here in this area of texas is the education board is all about education.

our house, kids read animal farm, 1984 at young ages and many others. we very much embrace all types of reading.

but the schools, over 95% republican have always done well respecting differing views, from the very small percent that speak out. my two boys, lol

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
17. Lucky and unusual. Texas, by the way, is where the major RW censorship of textbooks has its base,
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:27 PM
Apr 2012

and where it got started. I researched it all on my own just to know for sure. In fact, I requested materials from the people that started it.

A testament to these a-hs is that they started it from home, and now censorship is widespread everywhere college textbooks are to be published.

Here's a wiki that will give more info on who the fathers of such vast right wing censorship are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_and_Norma_Gabler

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
4. Women over a certain age know all this
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 03:45 PM
Apr 2012

Not telling us anything new. We lived, and fought against this. Certain religions feed these views, i.e, listen to Santorum's off the cuffs statements.

What we need to do is to teach the younger generation of women what they face.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. You are talking to a catholic school grad of 1966
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
Apr 2012

they lost me when I was 15 years old in 1963. Besides as an only child by choice of my parents, I got sick of the way they treated females, including the nuns in school. Yeah, the old nuns were brainwashed, but the young nuns were constantly fighting against their anti female views. Hell, I saw a married female teacher forced to resign when she became pg. Excuse me? This is what your religion wants and teaches. Marry and make babies. I suppose the hidden message with that (as Pope Ricky said), women should stop working to marry and make babies. That is a female's lot in lot. I didn't agree with that in 1963, and I most certainly don't, in 2012.

We are fighting all the issues to 50s and 60s again in the 21st century; mostly because of RELIGION.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
8. Oh, absolutely. I went to one year of Catholic school. However, nothing is quite as vicious and
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:54 PM
Apr 2012

militant as fundamentalist right wing "Christianity." My sister fell out with the Catholic Church but quickly was recruited into fundamentalist Christian churches. (3 of them, in succession - a glutton for punishment). Those places were militant!!! An incredible amount of propaganda, and they'd propagandize themselves, each other and outsiders. Critical!!! Oh, and tremendous, underlying hatred. It was their sick views about the needy, and how they brought their bad fortune upon themselves that ultimately caused her to drop out of that crap. She now has enough material to write a really eye-opening book. She doesn't because she's too busy with special needs kids (she adopted).

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. all we have are christian private here
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:57 PM
Apr 2012

i found best academics for the kids and a general christianity. by 2002 it had moved to fundamentalism. wow, as a calif i had a lot to learn

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
11. I didn't read the book, I saw the film
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:58 PM
Apr 2012

and its bloody good.

Instead of being banned this should be required reading/viewing.

Of course, then the righties would have to admit that this is what they want for America.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
16. I wonder if they'd admit it. They'd be too blindingly angry because they may be evil, but they
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:05 PM
Apr 2012

aren't stupid, and can detect criticism. Right wing nutjobs don't want to be criticized. They want to be obeyed.

Shana

(16 posts)
12. I think of this book every time
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:00 PM
Apr 2012

I use an ATM.

Also, several years ago we spent a family vacation at a lovely resort in Ontario. All the rising 10th graders were reading their required summer reading book, which was The Handmaid's Tale. I know it's partly because Margaret Atwood is Canadian, but I like to think it helps to explain why Canadians seem so much more sensible than us when it comes to human rights and freedoms.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
14. I can't disagree with you. I don't know why right wingers have such a hold in the U.S. or why
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:04 PM
Apr 2012

they wield and have wielded such power. Any views on that?

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
24. Right wingnuts, Christian fundies and right wing Christian fundies don't like
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:39 PM
Apr 2012

their ideologies pointed out as harmful to humans, I guess.

Here's what one website says:

Atwood critiques fundamentalist religions as well as caste societies and the military.

At the time of its publication the novel provoked much discussion and debate. The Handmaid’s Tale is listed as one of the 100 “most frequently challenged books” from 1990 to 1999 on the American Library Association’s website. The Canadian Library Association (remember Atwood is Canadian) says there is “no known instance of a challenge to this novel in Canada” but says the book was called anti-Christian and pornographic by parents after being placed on a reading list for secondary students in Texas in the 1990s.

It has been reviewed this year in some places (including Canada) because of complaints over sexuality and criticism of religious fundamentalism.

http://schol.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/should-the-handmaids-tale-be-banned/

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
22. Read it 3 times over the years.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 07:01 PM
Apr 2012

I couldn't put it down, either.

The only thing that scares me about teaching it in schools is the idea that fundie kids might think it is a good plan.

I am only half joking...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. K&R.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 08:38 PM
Apr 2012

Excellent read on the dangers of the authoritarian fundamentalist mindset and the threat it poses to womens' freedom and self determination.

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