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redqueen

(115,101 posts)
Sun May 6, 2012, 10:32 AM May 2012

Just a funny thing...

In another feminist group, we were having a conversation about the all-encompassing nature of P and the always depressing moment when you realize that the men you love and respect still harbor some shreds of it in their statements or behaviors. As we were chatting away about the constant demands that we 'lighten up' and compromise and accept the various misogynist and sexist things that come along with being a woman in the P as just part of living in the 'real world', a charming wonderful intelligent young woman whom I'll credit as Claire S. posted this, and I found it brilliant and also amusing and wanted to share.


Phrases that should gradually move into obscurity:

&quot Something gross and intimidating) Hey, I'm just showing you what the world is like. You should be thanking me."
"You are the most naive person in the world if you think that your male partner _________."
"This is just how guys think."
"This is just how guys talk."
(Preceding making a point, or used AS the point being made) "Well, he's a guy."
"Well, he's a teenage boy."
"Well, he's a boy."
"Boys will be boys."
"But you don't understand the effect that testosterone has."

AAAAAND *drum roll*

"You say that like all men do it. That's so unfair, and it's sexist. Stop lumping all men into the same category."

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Just a funny thing... (Original Post) redqueen May 2012 OP
Oh and also, redqueen May 2012 #1
This cartoon says it all! Not often we hear the desired response, sigh. n/t Little Star May 2012 #5
Yes, the issue is not that it's wrong that we're objectified, redqueen May 2012 #6
I know, huh?... Little Star May 2012 #8
and now we're getting it iverglas May 2012 #18
I would love to blame Reagan for the It's all about ME ME MEEEEEEE! in our culture. redqueen May 2012 #19
Jerry Springer ;) iverglas May 2012 #20
you are so right on and we see it endlessly here. that is what is so funny about the android thread seabeyond May 2012 #2
here is one... boston bean May 2012 #3
wink... lol. nt seabeyond May 2012 #4
All that, plus it doesnt matter MadrasT May 2012 #7
"encompassing nature of P" What does this mean? Number23 May 2012 #9
Hope you bothered to read the SOP and member posting guidelines. BlueIris May 2012 #10
I think if you in particular promise to stay away from me, I'll probably do just fine here Number23 May 2012 #14
The P is just a quicker way of referring to the patriarchy... redqueen May 2012 #11
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. Number23 May 2012 #16
hey 23 seabeyond May 2012 #12
Thanks, seabeyond. Good to see you too Number23 May 2012 #15
Cecilia Payne, in case you were wondering. :) redqueen May 2012 #13
... redqueen May 2012 #17
Fuck the divisive framing of all mothering issues! redqueen May 2012 #21
:-) MadrasT May 2012 #22
Common Arguments against Feminism redqueen Jun 2012 #23

redqueen

(115,101 posts)
1. Oh and also,
Sun May 6, 2012, 10:38 AM
May 2012

I was reading a thread in which the preponderance of emasciated-looking models was being discussed, and of course there came along the comments from men sharing their views about how they preferred to see women who are more full figured, and it reminded me of this, and so I will share it too, in the hopes that some of you might also find it amusing, because we could all use some more feminist humor, I think.

redqueen

(115,101 posts)
6. Yes, the issue is not that it's wrong that we're objectified,
Sun May 6, 2012, 11:30 AM
May 2012

it is whether we all feel that we're all objectified and found acceptable by the P's standards. Surely that's the important thing? Yes?

Silly woman.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
18. and now we're getting it
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
May 2012

about hairy armpits.

Doesn't matter to them whether we shave our armpits, so where's the issue??

But hey, it's really just part of the present culture. My opinion and the fact that I have one is what matters, right?

Never about the real issue, of course.

redqueen

(115,101 posts)
19. I would love to blame Reagan for the It's all about ME ME MEEEEEEE! in our culture.
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:17 PM
May 2012

But he's been gone a long ass time.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
20. Jerry Springer ;)
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:32 PM
May 2012

The right and need to have an opinion about anything and everything -- and most especially, anyone and everyone -- and to do so without a shred of responsibility for knowing anything about the subject of the opinion.

And the public adulation and admiration with which the mere stating of an opinion must be greated.

And the hostility with which any challenge to an opinion may be met ... because, you know, everybody has a right to have an opinion about everything and everybody ...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. you are so right on and we see it endlessly here. that is what is so funny about the android thread
Sun May 6, 2012, 11:01 AM
May 2012

if my first post had been.... of course, they are all horn dogs and will fuck anything, i would have been attacked endlessly with "You say that like all men do it. That's so unfair, and it's sexist. Stop lumping all men into the same category."

but, because i said you know, there are a lot of men that would not appreciate being told they would fuck an android i had this:

&quot Something gross and intimidating) Hey, I'm just showing you what the world is like. You should be thanking me."
"You are the most naive person in the world if you think that your male partner _________."
"This is just how guys think."
"This is just how guys talk."
(Preceding making a point, or used AS the point being made) "Well, he's a guy."
"Well, he's a teenage boy."
"Well, he's a boy."
"Boys will be boys."
"But you don't understand the effect that testosterone has."


yes, it is funny.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
7. All that, plus it doesnt matter
Sun May 6, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

It doesn't matter what we say

How we say it

To people who toss around statements like those, it is always "the wrong way", "the wrong approach", or "the wrong thing to say".

I am exhausted from it. Just exhausted. From real life, more than from DU.

Fuck everyone who pulls that shit anywhere anytime.

That is akin to invalidating my life experience --- to telling me and everyone else who has a "problem" with it that our opinion doesn't count.

Nobody gets to tell me my experience is "wrong".

Nobody.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
9. "encompassing nature of P" What does this mean?
Sun May 6, 2012, 09:29 PM
May 2012

Sorry to barge in, this is my first time in this forum! You guys have got a very active and interesting little area here.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
10. Hope you bothered to read the SOP and member posting guidelines.
Mon May 7, 2012, 01:06 AM
May 2012

Yes, we do have a very "active and interesting 'little' area here." It's not for disruptors, however.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
14. I think if you in particular promise to stay away from me, I'll probably do just fine here
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:48 AM
May 2012

Thanks for your concern.

redqueen

(115,101 posts)
11. The P is just a quicker way of referring to the patriarchy...
Mon May 7, 2012, 01:07 AM
May 2012

the all encompassing nature of which makes it hard to detect. Because the conditions we live in are all around us all the time, noticing them is akin to fish noticing water.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
22. :-)
Fri May 11, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012

I used to foster and sometimes had mother cats with kittens.

Most mama cats seem to naturally wean their kittens between 8 and 10 weeks. (Or the kittens decide to wean, who knows.)

But once in a while the kittens will nurse much longer (if mom is accommodating). If the mom is tiny, that picture is what happens... kittens almost as big as mom still nursing.

Also interesting that in colonies or other situations where more than one mom with litters is living the same place at the same time, mommy cats will usually share nursing duties. Once I had 3 litters of kittens (with 3 mommy cats) at the same time, and it was a free-for-all when it came to nursing. The kittens would *usually* gravitate toward their own mothers, but they all got around.

Anyway that picture made me smile. I miss having mommy cats with kittens. Mommy cats rock.

redqueen

(115,101 posts)
23. Common Arguments against Feminism
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:44 AM
Jun 2012




http://dukegroups.duke.edu/develledish/2012/common-arguments-against-feminism/

I’ve been lurking on the Who Needs Feminism Facebook page for a while now, and I’ve learned a great deal of ways to argue against feminism, which for our extents and purposes, is the radical notion that women and men are equal.

1. Argument from Attractiveness
They don’t teach this one in intro to philosophy classes, but did you guys know that the validity of a woman’s argument is directly proportional to a woman’s sexual desirability? The male corollary to this one is that the validity of a man’s argument is directly proportional to how much pussy he scores. E.g. “You’re an ugly Asian. Argument invalid.” “This one’s a virgin if I ever saw one.” Furthermore, if it is discovered that the woman in question has sex (and maybe even enjoys it??), you can call her a slut and declare victory right away.

2. The Sandwich Argument
This one is fairly simple and versatile. Whenever a woman voices an opinion, you simply demand that she go make you a sandwich. A subgenre of this argument is the, “Get back in the kitchen” argument, which is slightly more adaptable to the situation. For instance, you can ask, “Who put a computer in the kitchen?” Or make funny jokes like, “Why can’t women drive? Because there’s no road between the kitchen and the bedroom” or “If a man hits a woman with a car, who’s fault is it? The man’s, because he shouldn’t have been driving in the kitchen.” The PG13 version of all this is, “Tits or GTFO.”

3. The “Card” Card
Slightly more subtle than the previous ones, this one involves accusing the person bringing up a subject with playing the “x card”. If you’ll recall, Barack Obama was accused of playing the “race card”, probably because he’s black, and because white people never benefit from their skin color. On a discussion of sexual assault or income inequality, a bright young lad argued that women were always “playing the victim card”. Presumably because people who are victimized and then speak out about it have some underlying motive, like not wanting to be victimized.

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