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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:51 PM

Feminism's Long March - Youíve Come a Long Way, Baby (Or Have You?)




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These days it may be hard for some to believe, but before the womenís movement burst on the scene in the late 1960s, newspapers published ads for jobs on different pages, segregated by gender. Employers legally paid women less than men for the same work. Some bars refused to serve women and all banks denied married women credit or loans, a practice which didnít change until 1974. Some states even excluded women from jury duty.

Radio producers considered womenís voices too abrasive to be on the air and television executives believed that women didnít have sufficient credibility to anchor the news. Few women ran big corporations or universities, or worked as firefighters and police officers. None sat on the Supreme Court, installed electrical equipment, climbed telephone poles, or owned construction companies. All hurricanes had female names, due to the widely held view that women brought chaos and destruction to society.

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So, yes, weíve come a long way, but without achieving full access to legal abortion, comprehensive childcare, or equal pay -- those three demands from so many decades ago. Nor have we won the right to enjoy public space without fearing violence, rape, or worse.

I always knew this was the longest revolution, one that would take a century or more to unfold. Itís upended most of our lives, and significantly improved so many of them. Nothing will ever be the same. Yet thereís still such a long way to go. I doubt Iíll see full gender equality in my lifetime.


http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175651/tomgram%3A_ruth_rosen%2C_feminism%27s_long_march/#more


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Reply Feminism's Long March - Youíve Come a Long Way, Baby (Or Have You?) (Original post)
redqueen Feb 2013 OP
ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #1
redqueen Feb 2013 #2
ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #3
redqueen Feb 2013 #4
seabeyond Feb 2013 #6
seabeyond Feb 2013 #5
seabeyond Feb 2013 #7

Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:36 PM

1. Thing about it

Is we are fighting millennia of sexism. It permeates every aspect of society, from wage disparities to gender studies. It is interesting violence wasn't brought up, interesting but not surprising looking at history. Women had very little control, often needing permission for a number of things we take for granted. Objectifying was expected. Harassment was supposed to be a compliment.

But the main thing, was the underlying subtext was women deserved it. They did something to 'bring it on' and the shame, oh god the shame women must have felt, and the guilt and self loathing.

You know who is surprisingly good about writing about violence against women from the viewpoint of the abuser and the abused is Steven King. For instance, In the book 'It' his main female charecter is carried through childhood to adulthood with guilt and shame, even though she tries to break free, I've always found her to be a broken character, even at the end. (The abuser gets killed off)

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:44 AM

2. Yep. It's very deeply entrenched. But that's no excuse, and IMO progressive women

should be doing the same as atheist/skeptic women are doing, and speaking up about all this shit. All of it.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:41 AM

3. Placating is deeply ingrained

I don't think its submission as much as it a lack of awareness, of wanting to be on the same 'team'. And some women believe that certain things don't matter, or don't matter as much which-is the same argument you get against feminism when you point out sexist language.

In my real life, I don't allow sexist comments to slide by. I'm assertive as hell. On-line, I'm often baffled by it, because I know particular comments wouldn't be defended as they are here; some that have embedded themselves like a tick, like the word 'bitch' are used, but that's easily turned around by using even more offensive language in a 'how do you like me now' way I have of making a point about language.

Face to face its easy to talk to decent women and men. Conversations don't devolve as they do online. Well they might, but I win.

But social media is how we're communicating more and more, and it makes the fight both easier and harder; easier because there are so many places to speak up, harder because of the facelessness and anonymity allows masks to come off.

DU, as bad as it can be is an interesting study In this because it has so many long time members, over time they form a pattern, show more of themselves, sometimes people do change and grow. I think the ones who have unexpected meltdowns are the ones who just can't, for whatever reason. Or they are simply just spending too much time online.

But it is tiresome, seeing progressive women submit to sexist crap. It's tiresome to hear progressive men spout it off, and defend it. Especially the ones who seem otherwise quite bright.

Eh, I'm babbling. Time for bed and work tomorrow.


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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:46 AM

4. And also it is simply depressing to recognize.

To realize that when people try to shut you up when you mention this stuff, they aren't trying to keep the peace, they're trying to reinforce that oppression. They are ok with it. Recognizing that those closest to you care that little... it hurts.

And you're right, many women wouldn't tolerate this stuff IRL, but we're online, so a lot is allowed to slide, or viewed as if it matters less. When in actuality, it matters more. There are a lot more people reading your words, and not all of them have given you special dispensation to use whatever hateful terms you like because it doesn't bother them, personally... and no matter who on teevee uses them or who else in society uses them.

It seems the tolerance for sexism is finally fading. All over the world. We are seeing campaigns against all types of bullying, and women and girls are thinking, 'Hey, what about us?'

As this has been growing, so have the calls for liberals and progressives to stop pretending that the often repeated attempt to shut feminists up... that 'that's the way it is, you can't change it, stop trying'... makes any kind of logical sense at all.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:43 AM

6. "they're trying to reinforce that oppression." realizing part of the issue is male ownership of all

space. peeing and making it their territory. and that is what the battle is on the net. you stated that not long ago. a very good point i had not necessarily seen form that angle. so, women walk or submit.

neither work

fuckin fight for our space. that is my only choice.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:41 AM

5. submit. perect word. hey... good post all the way around. nt

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:52 AM

7. the acceptance of this. prior to discussing i was accepting though, when looking at the picture

i was also uncomfortable knowing they were strangers, the tight hold and her nonparticpation in an act the man deemed warranted without her ok.

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