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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:25 PM

Welcome!

A couple notes from our previous discussions on the formation of this group:

- The proposed Statement of Purpose is:

A place for Occupy participants and supporters to promote the values of Occupy Wall Street, share information, and advocate constructive interaction among members of the DU community. This is a General Assembly of supporters of the 99%. While dissent is allowed because there are many different groups that oppose rule by the 1%, anti-Occupy Wall Street rhetoric belongs in other forums.


As of this post, the SOP has not been entered into the "About this Group" page or as a sub-header and so we will have to see about that after perhaps some more discussion.

- There has been some discussion about how this group will be organized and certainly more will be had:

The current thread on this can be found at DU2 with draft proposals from both Leopolds Ghost and I on some guidelines for hosting, discussion and so forth.

- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2477306

- I think the plan is to have some time to decide how we want to proceed including a formal election of a lead host. As such, I would just request that we all sit tight for a little bit on any discussion of hosts etc. Please feel free to add any thoughts you might have on this subject (outside of nominations) to the DU2 thread or to this thread. If there are an issues that arise with disruptive posting, please use the jury system if you believe it is necessary. Sound good?

P.S. I will not under any circumstances be hosting this group beyond trying facilitate some of this transition

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Reply Welcome! (Original post)
ellisonz Feb 2012 OP
mike_c Feb 2012 #1
ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
Chan790 Feb 2012 #10
ellisonz Feb 2012 #11
Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #12
Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #3
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #4
ellisonz Feb 2012 #5
JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #15
ellisonz Feb 2012 #6
Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #27
quinnox Feb 2012 #7
ellisonz Feb 2012 #9
quinnox Feb 2012 #13
ellisonz Feb 2012 #14
Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #22
ellisonz Feb 2012 #23
Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #25
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #16
hootinholler Feb 2012 #8
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #18
hootinholler Feb 2012 #19
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #20
hootinholler Feb 2012 #21
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #30
dembotoz Feb 2012 #17
Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #24
PufPuf23 Feb 2012 #26
limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #28
snooper2 Feb 2012 #29

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:30 PM

1. my first forum subscription!

Congratulations on establishing this group!

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Response to mike_c (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:35 PM

2. Glad to be of assistance!

This group is for posters like you! The basic idea is a dedicated space to talk about Occupy and to create a "lifeboat" for Occupy-friendly posters now and down the line

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:32 PM

10. A possible nitpick...

but because it's about all the Occupy actions nationally and internationally, can we replace the use of OWS and Occupy Wall Street where in appears in terms of things like the SOP with some more-inclusive term like simply "Occupy" or "Occupy Everywhere" or "Occupy Underground" or "Occupy ______" or "Occupy *" (or anything else that might be used and generally-agreeable).

I do realize it's a small thing but it makes it clearer that this is about all the Occupy movements and not just Wall Street.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:40 PM

11. Eh...

I understand where you are coming from. But I think we left it that way because the Wall Street Occupation was the sort of genesis Occupation, without there would be no Occupations. The desires you expressed are precisely why the group was titled "Occupy Underground" and not "Occupy Wall Street." I think in some ways it would be undue not mention Occupy Wall Street in the SOP, and moreover in the majority of mainstream media reports this movement, irregardless of geographical locale is referred to as "Occupy Wall Street."

For example in this friendly article it's described as such: "The surest way to rankle a supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement" - http://www.democraticunderground.com/125231

I think it's something we can consider. Getting admin to make that tweak at this point though is probably more trouble than it's worth.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:45 PM

12. I agree. And, I think that, at this time, the word Occupy is

sufficiently inclusive from Wall Street to Anchorage.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:37 PM

3. Thanks! Welcome to you, too!

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:38 PM

4. Thank you for participating.

 

We're all in this together.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:49 PM

5. "We're all in this together."

We are the 99%!

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:19 PM

15. +1

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:52 PM

6. The Statement of Purpose is up!

As drafted and posted in this OP.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:59 AM

27. Just to clarify current status for everyone reading this --

The Statement of Purpose (SOP) which defines what the group is about, was proposed on Meta and approved when the group went live.

The Procedures or "guidelines" is a slightly longer (multi paragraph) document describing how Occupy Underground intends to self-organize, number and duties of hosts, clarification on how to do consensus GA-style threads (we've been mostly using the poll feature over on "occupy" du2) etc. It gets ratified by members of the group AFTER it's launched.

Ellisonz has been shepherding the procedures and facilitating group edits resulting in a "full" draft that came out of the du2 group along with the SOP to be posted on a "bulletin thread" here and over there as well (posted prior to launch -- see here). As a step to reducing the amount of verbiage and thus preventing excess bureaucracy, Ellison posted a suggestion for further edits here.

I have to go, but when I get back I'll post a similar "bulletin" thread here with the "du2 text" and Ellisonz's most recent proposed reduction.

Until then here's a link to the pre-launch thread for viewing and comment on the draft version of the guidelines
(we got pretty far along on the original du2 thread -- it's mostly about language and conciseness at this point) --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2477306

And here's prior threads on the subject: http://www.democraticunderground.com/124041894#post2

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:12 PM

7. Maybe the occupy group and the SOP as well can be more broad

 

than just occupy wall street. I'm just throwing this out there. I'm thinking along the lines of progressives and liberals who aren't happy going with the status quo in general and could freely speak about other things than just OWS.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:23 PM

9. The SOP is pretty broadly constructed.

Use that as a guide.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:08 PM

13. ok, well lets get the host election underway

 

so I can vote for leoplods ghost as main host.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:12 PM

14. lol

Well I think we need to talk first about what we expect from hosts and how we pick them...wouldn't want to end up like the Feminist Group!

don't hurt me

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:56 PM

22. So the authoritarian role of Lead Host is at odds with the participatory democracy

organizational structure of OWS. I suggest that the SOP make it specific that the Lead Host function should rotate on a regular basis, that the term should be short, and that any Lead Host 'serves at the pleasure of the community' and can be recalled by vote at any time.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:14 PM

23. Agreed.

If you go to the DU2 link in the OP you can see that there is no debate that participatory democracy is the goal here. Without checking, I think both drafts right now have term limits and recalls. Mirroring the Occupy decision making process with the realities of an internet discussion board of course has its technological/time limits.

I'm think we'll give it a day or two before we formally start deciding any of this - only fair to let posters get the news this group is live

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 11:46 PM

25. Yep, that's what we're going after. The lead host is a sort of Justice of peace/vibes watcher figure

See link in Ellisonz's OP

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Response to quinnox (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:53 PM

16. Noooooooo!!!

 



DU elections are scary.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:21 PM

8. I would be willing to serve as host or co-host

I'm very happy this group was created. Hopefully it will help in keeping up with Occupy happenings.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:57 PM

18. Can I be a co-host too?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 07:19 PM

19. I don't see why not

But I suppose we should call it facilitating instead of hosting.



I won't even call for repentance.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 07:48 PM

20. I like facilitator.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:36 PM

21. Me too

It seems a bit of a different job though.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:52 AM

30. Scratch that.

 

I don't want to be involved in the hosting process. I think I'd wash out during the background check.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:57 PM

17. this looks interesting, i better start hanging out here a bit

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 11:43 PM

24. Hey All, sorry I'm late.

Lots of stuff going on in real life today, but now I'm back!

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:07 AM

26. I will at least lurk nearly every day.

One hopes that OWS has a successful spring and summer and fall of 2012.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:18 AM

28. what a great idea for a group.

I'm subscribed. I'll mostly read but might post once in a while.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:02 PM

29. OCCUPY DU2!

on du3 LOL

I have been looking for group theme songs and this is perfect for here-

My Hood! Occupy!!!

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