I see only one way that Bernie wins the nomination.

[Funtatlaguy]

I think that Hillary looks fairly unstoppable now.
I see only one way that Bernie pulls it off.
That is to convince Elizabeth Warren to be his running mate.
Very doubtful, I know.
But, if she would and they could announce it before the next debate, it would change everything.
Bernie might also announce that, because of his age, he will only serve one term. Thereby, giving Elizabeth the reins in four years.
Elizabeth would need to go out on the campaign trail and talk about the role of "banking sector type czar" that she will fill while VP.

I know it's a huge pipe dream.
But, I think it's his only chance.
I'm new here....but, flame away everyone. I can take it...lol.

[brooklynite]

1. No need to flame...but it won't happen

[SusanCalvin]

2. I'm not going to flame, but

I do have my curiosity about your origin and motive. No speculation whatsoever, just curiosity.

On edit: And wouldn't it be pretty to think so.

[Funtatlaguy]

4. No Motive

It's just what I think.
I back Bernie, but am a yellow dog and will heartily support Hillary in the general.
Not sure what you mean by origin?
I live in Atlanta and I volunteer in dem campaigns most elections.
Unfortunately, Georgia has completely flipped from blue to red in the last twenty tears.
However, our demographics are headed in the right direction.

That help?

[SusanCalvin]

6. Wasn't looking for help.

Just curiosity.

OK, I'll admit to wondering how newbies find their way here. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's exactly a bustling hub. I'm here because it's seriously the only format I like, and enough people I like frequent it.

[Funtatlaguy]

11. I'm not new to this site.

Only new to posting for a while.
Have been here for many years.
Was once GeorgiaDem but my new iPad somehow wouldn't let me in or get a new password.
So, I had to pick a new screen name.
This site and DailyKos were my sanity sources during the Bush years.

[SusanCalvin]

13. Ah so.

Kinda ditto here.

[TexasTowelie]

53. FYI, I found out about DU from following a Facebook link.

That was over four years and 20,000 posts ago.

[Thinkingabout]

5. This would not give Sanders foreign experience. If Elizabeth Warren was on as

President, it would be different, but doubtful she would select Sanders as VP. Ergo, getting Sanders as nominee is probably not going to happen.

[SusanCalvin]

8. He can hire (appoint) foreign experience. nt

[Thinkingabout]

20. Maybe he could hire someone to do his presidential duties, now this would not

Be the smartest for us to elect a person at president and then hire someone to do the job, just elect the hires person to do the job.

[SusanCalvin]

21. Excuse me?

A political candidate/officeholder is a team, not a single person. (Sorry, I really, really can't resist adding, "duh.&quot

I agree with his foreign policy views, and trust him to appoint people who would support them.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Got it, in fact Hillary was on Obama's cabinet, got experience from this

Position.

[Armstead]

44. And our foreign policy has shown a genral lack of foresight

Can't blame Clinton or Obama (or Kerry) totally for the mess we're in, but the current volatile state of the world is not exactly a testament of far-sighted policies or actions.

[Thinkingabout]

45. We sure can not look to Sanders for leadership on foreign policy.

BTW, just because you point out problems you accredit to Clinton, Obama or Kerry, means these were doing something, if you don't do anything then you may not be doing anything right.

[kristopher]

58. Why not? He's been calling the correct plays for decades.

Hillary is the one that has a track record showing complete ineptitude in foreign policy. That includes especially her current positions on the ME miasma.

[Thinkingabout]

59. What has he call correctly, his vote on ISIS resolution?

[kristopher]

60. If you don't know, why the hell are you opining on his qualifications?

[Mike Nelson]

7. That would shake the race up!

...don't think she would agree to it, though.

[Smarmie Doofus]

9. No way to know... or even intelligently guess.... til the first primaries.

If Sanders wins NH and Iowa..... it may be hard for M$M to keep Clinton sufficiently propped.

Then again, maybe people.... even the DEM primary electorate....are really ok w. things as they are.

In which case.... more of the same for at least 4 and probably 8 more years.

Re. Warren: she doesn't really add anything to the Sanders case.... except perhaps for a few deep thinkers whose votes and allegiance will be based on gender.

I don't think there's that many of them. At least I HOPE there isn't.

[SusanCalvin]

10. Exactly.

I participate in the speculation only out of sheer boredom.

[Funtatlaguy]

15. I think you downplay the gender factor.

I think there are many people that think this country is long overdue for a female.
Plus, I think that Warren became an excellent campaigner late in her Senate primary.
I think she could draw big crowds as Bernie has.
One of them camped out in Iowa and the other in New Hampshire.
The earned (free) media would be massive because it would be something new for them other than just Trumps daily outrage.

[SusanCalvin]

17. It's not gender.

It's that she's saying the same things Bernie's saying. And of course she could draw the same crowds if she did the same tour.

[Thinkingabout]

46. What if Hillary wins IOWA and NH?

[Smarmie Doofus]

55. Unless it's reeeeeal close.....

... it may be tough for Sanders to keep it going.

OTOH, unlike the cookie cutter pols of this age.... and that would be everybody else, DEM and GOP in the race currently.... a poor initial showing is not going to result in a huge fall-off of corporate cash for Sanders.

The Sanders base will probably keep funding him pretty much full tilt. They're funding him in order to change the political culture of the US.

NOT because they expect favors or jobs if he wins. They're not making a financial investment.

You see the difference. Yes?

[immoderate]

12. Easily explained by imagination deficit, followed by premature judgement.

We don't want Bernie to peak too soon.

--imm

[liberalnarb]

14. My friend...

[orpupilofnature57]

31. + 10000!!!!!!

[Eric J in MN]

16. It's a good idea. However, I don't think it's ever been done before.

I'm not aware of any candidates announcing the VP nominee before the Iowa caucus. Usually it's at the national convention or shortly before the national convention.

I don't know if Elizabeth Warren would agree to it. Does she like Bernie Sanders so much that she would join forces with him while he's behind in the polls?

[Gman]

18. I'm not even sure that could stop her momentum

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On the bright side Sanders has done a great job so far pushing the discussion toward his issues. And that's far from over. That discussion will go on long after the convention. It's what he said was his goal a year ago.

[SusanCalvin]

22. I'm happy for the discussion.

I think Hillary, if nominated, will spring right back.

[JaneyVee]

19. That....would be interesting.

VPs usually aren't considered until after primaries, but who knows.

[Funtatlaguy]

25. My point entirely.

This would make news because it would be a first.
Yes, VPs are usually announced about a week or two before a convention.
However, there's no reason they have to be done that way.

[LS_Editor]

24. This is all speculation and theory.

One line of poor, unsubstantiated reasoning after another.

[FarPoint]

26. Running mates are selected after the Democratic Convention.

So, it's premature to speculate until the Convention.

[Jarqui]

32. That's been the case for sometime

But if one was behind, wanted to shake things up and had someone in mind who complimented them well and was willing, why not?

Bunch of ifs there but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.

Obviously doubtful that it will happen but probably not completely crazy in some circumstances.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. I see only one way he wins too.

He gets enough voters in various states to get more electoral votes for him than Hillary gets.

[Bread and Circus]

28. I think we are at the point where Clinton would have to be convicted of a serious crime...

I think the Democratic party has drank the Koolaid already. It would take an act of obvious gross malfeasance on par with a violent felony or kicking a puppy to change the trajectory of this race.

[orpupilofnature57]

30. Looking at what we Know , that's a possibility, but like most things we Know about her, she wasn't

the one who told us, we know more about Hillary from others as her transparency is non existent, no one I can Trust .

[Thinkingabout]

47. IF Hillary should drop out of the race then O'Malley will surge to be the front runner,

[orpupilofnature57]

29. Nice scenario, A new way instead of a third way or Same old/ Same old power brokering for 1%

Hillary will fold to $$$$$ quicker than Shrub, and if people don't look at her past and connect our misery to in part Her actions, we're screwed .

[Hiraeth]

33. I can't see this happening. I can see maybe O'Malley for his running mate.

[Historic NY]

34. Have you figured out how this works.....

yet its a primary not the general election they don't have running mates. Of course since it such a pipe dream and most Sanders people are not supporting the DNC its going to be a cold day in hell that he even gets that far without the funding and support his supporter don't want to pay for.

[mythology]

35. I like Warren (in fact she's one of my senators), but I don't think she adds to the Sanders campaign

She is very similar to him on the issues, is a northeast liberal (I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but it doesn't play well everywhere) and I don't think does enough to overcome Clinton's advantage with women, or with minorities.

I would suggest if Sanders was trying this route, he aim for a minority from a more urban state.

That said, I'm not sure what would be in it for the potential vp name to hitch his or her wagon to a long shot campaign.

[99Forever]

36. Well crap.

I guess I'll give up hope 'cuz the guy who joined yesterday says it ain't gonna happen.



Time to bern my yard signs.

[moobu2]

37. If that's his only path to victory

he needs to concede and endorse Hillary like he's going to do anyway eventually.

[merrily]

38. I just don't think she'll do it. If she were going to uproot her life, she would have run for

President. Inasmuch as she did not run for President, I can't see her making the sacrifices just to run for Vice President.



I can always be wrong, of course. I'm not a mind reader.

[Bryan]

40. I'm not convinced

The Venn diagram of Sanders fans and Warren fans is an eclipse; I'm not sure what killer advantage she would provide. I think Sanders' best chance at the nomination is a massive wave of independents registering D for the primaries that somehow isn't showing up in polls.

[Gothmog]

41. Predictwise has Sanders at 5% chance of being the Democratic Nominee

That is a new low http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. She will beat both of em.

The only Democrat she can't beat is Barack Obama.

[bigwillq]

43. Two New England liberals? No, thanks.

Signed,
The rest of the United States

[Blue_Adept]

48. This New England liberal thinks the same thing

Would prefer more west coast oriented liberals taking the national stage these days.

Would also prefer MA senators not getting plucked as often as they have been the last few years. After a couple of decades of Kennedy/Kerry, the recent constant changes have been frustrating.

[KingCharlemagne]

49. Hillary looks 'fairly unstoppable' before a single ballot has been cast??? Her unstopability right

now derives mostly from superior name recognition alone.

[MoonRiver]

50. Elizabeth is Hillary's age.

She would be 70 after Bernie's first term. Just saying

[AgingAmerican]

51. She is unstoppable in corporate landline land

But in the rest of the world she gets mowed over by the other candidates. Why is that?

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. I see no evidence that Warren is interested in running.

Had she wanted too, she would be the candidate now.

[restorefreedom]

54. this "its too late for bernie" idea is played

you are new, so maybe you haven't seen the thousand or so threads that start with "i like bernie, but there is no way he can win because....."

not a single vote yet. if people vote for him, he wins. it of course behooves the clinton campaign to try and convince everyone its over. nonsense.

the one who is being hurt the most is OM because of dws partisan and blatant undermining of democracy to squash debate.

as to warren, she is needed in the senate. and she will not draw anyone else to bernie who isn't already there.

he needs an up and comer, young, from another part of the country.

[MADem]

56. Why would she play 2nd fiddle to a person who is less prepared than she is

to address the issues she cares about? I didn't see reports that she signed any "Run, Bernie, Run" letter, either.

So there's that.

[PowerToThePeople]

57. Welcome to DU

Trashcanning your OP.

[Reter]

61. There are a few ways

If Obama came out today and said he supports Bernie, then that would be the biggest boost he could get. Another way is if she gets indited.