2016 Postmortem
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Hillary's resume.
- Graduate of Yale Law School, where she was one of just 27 women in her graduating class.
- Young lawyer for the Childrens Defense Fund where she worked to help enact legislation to help children with disabilities in Massachusetts.
- Lawyer for the Congressional Committee investigating President Nixon.
- First Lady of Arkansas where she worked to improve educational standards and health care access for the people of Arkansas.
- First Lady of United States during where she worked to reform our health care system and helped create the Children's Health Insurance Program. Here is where she learned what Republicans are capable of doing when faced with a strong intelligent aggressive woman.
- U.S. Senator for New York, probably the most diverse, complex and important state in the country.. economically, financially, politically, and diplomatically. While Senator she worked to secure funding to rebuild New York after 9/11 and fought to provide health care for first responders who were contaminated at Ground Zero. Also helped to expanded TRICARE so that members of the Reserves and National Guard and their families could get better access to health care.
- Ran for President in 2008 where she learned the hard way what it takes to win.
- Served as Secretary of State for 4 years. She was instrumental in starting to restore Americas standing in the world. She helped build a coalition for tough new sanctions against Iran that brought them to the negotiating table and brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that ended a war. She also was a forceful champion for human rights, internet freedom, and rights and opportunities for women and girls, LGBT people and young people all around the globe.
randys1
(16,286 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)There is much more.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)* Voted and encouraged others to vote for the Iraq War in the absence of hard intel proving WMDs were present. The effect was to destabilize the region, with ISIS emerging as a powerful terrorist force.
* Encouraged a proactive business perspective towards monetizing Iraq for the U.S.
* Switched positions on bankruptcy bill after receiving substantial Wall St. monies to fund her 2000 senatorial campaign; hurt women in single families and lower income individuals at the benefit of her corporate masters.
* Outspoken advocate of anti-LGBT rights, right up to when she abruptly changed her position 2 years ago. As secretary of state urged against LGBT efforts to have Spouse 1/Spouse 2 as guardians on passports, instead advocating for the hurtful Husband/Wife designation. Now claims to be a strong advocate for this community.
* Switched positions numerous times on her position on gun rights, as helped her campaign.
* Helped overthrow the democratically elected government of a Latin American country.
* Helped rig the democratic elections of another Latin American country.
* Worked on and praised the TPP trade deal to hurt American workers at the benefit of large corporations; these corporations have since donated large sums of monies to her campaign. Switched positions on the TPP to court the progressive Dem base; refuses to be active in her opposition to the bill. Her supporters
* Delays a declaration for her position on Keystone, a pipeline for transporting dirty fossil fuels across America with effectively no impact on American jobs but great impact on corporate profits. Now claims to oppose it.
* Takes money from lobbyists of private prisons.
Her most telling endorsements:
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The actual truth behind each of those dont concern most Democrats.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I have sources for each one.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its just how its presented as huge negatives. Most Democrats are aware of those issues and see them differently or don't really have a problem with it.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)If you are a corporatist or benefit from the MIC that is a darn impressive resume, and I would definitely back the candidate.
As a private citizen, however, one sees the same facts slightly differently.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I guess you didn't realize that.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Republicans don't though.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)don't live in Washington D.C or Hollywood /
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I have contempt for Republicans not Democrats.
okasha
(11,573 posts)not just exaggerations.
Possibly the stupidest is the statement that she has supported "anti-LGBT rights." Hillary has been a visible and vocal supporter of LGBT's since her tenure as First Lady.
There's every reason to doubt those statements.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Cheers.
okasha
(11,573 posts)The other huge howler is that she has received contributions from corporations. She hasn't. Corporations are prohibited by law from donating to political campaigns. For perspective: I donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008. So did many of my professional colleages. Those were individual contributions, not contributions by the State of Texas.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Not lies. Here's a speech:
okasha
(11,573 posts)Equal marriage was not and is not the sole focus of LGBT civil rights. There was a time when many LGBT's were not interested in marriage of any kind because it was seen as surrender to the prevailing culture.
But yes, Hillary was late to the party on this one. So were Obama and even Bernie Sanders. Howard Dean was our champion then, and other Dems, including Hillary, followed him in supporting civil unions.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Bernie Sanders was not late to LGBT civil rights. Not in any sense. And he certainly didn't proudly declare marriage was between a man and a woman before subsequently changing his mind and touting his LGBT "record".
okasha
(11,573 posts)that you know nothing about LGBT history.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Not cherry picking only the good things. And these things DO concern me. Even I knew Saddam had no weapons.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Doubly nice if he took the Clintons with him.
(I lied, everybody knows Al From is a minion of Hell.)
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)at Walmart..................
onehandle
(51,122 posts) POTUS - 2017-2025
On edit: As I typed that second number, it surprised me how far we are into the 21st century.
The best one!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)
She didn't just help New York, she got $21 Billion for recovery efforts. And there is so much more. You don't even mention her standing up for women's rights in China in her famous Beijing speech. I could go on and on....
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157?o=0
http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/hillary-diane-rodham-clinton-1632.php
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That's a big one.
SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)In the summer of 1970, civil rights lawyer Marian Wright Edelman, the first black woman admitted to the bar in Mississippi, was so impressed with a speech she heard Hillary give at Yale (Hillary had just started her studies at Yale Law School) that she assigned Hillary to work with a Senate subcommittee, chaired by Senator Walter Mondale, which was studying the plight of migrant farm workers in labor camps. Hillary conducted field interviews with migrant workers and their children, and subsequently facilitated senate hearings on harsh migrant farmworker conditions. https://books.google.com/books?id=mhOoB-ejGIMC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=Hillary's+work+with+migrant+in+1970&source=bl&ots=oNWiYLH-fn&sig=3jo3we47TSMLriL9BxK3YviRKsE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCmujRtqLJAhUH3WMKHcCqAuMQ6AEISTAH#v=onepage&q=Hillary's%20work%20with%20migrant%20in%201970&f=false
At that time, while Hillary was actually doing something to help poor people, Bernie was making quixotic third party runs for Senator and Governor in Vermont. And some Bernie supporters keep wondering why PoC overwhelmingly support Hillary. It appears many Bernie supporters are willfully ignorant of Hillary's lifetime of accomplishments. http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/hillary-diane-rodham-clinton-1632.php#7EooS1RzacftO0KU.99
DCBob
(24,689 posts)and claim she has done nothing significant. They are totally mistaken.
okasha
(11,573 posts)she and Bill were both in the Rio Grande Valley registering first time Hispanic voters. She is still remembered for that here, and not merely admired but loved. She will carry the state in the primary easily, and very possibly the general as well.
SunSeeker
(51,502 posts). . .
In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.jdqM3ajE3
And what was Bernie doing in 1972? Oh yeah, penning this unhinged rape fantasy screed:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)http://www.renew911health.org/allies/
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Never delivered. I know because I worked on it at the time.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)There's just no denying Hillary saved New York after 9/11, or don't you know that.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)She advocated and made calls. She got some small additional aid for particular items. She did what she could do. But a lot of what was promised was never delivered and she certainly can't take credit for most of the federal aid to NY. Nor should she want to. We were shortchanged by a lot.
SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Most descriptions of her activities are quite vague. "Participated in" and similar terms.
SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)They did not say she merely "participated." They said she was "instrumental" and "took a leading role."
http://www.renew911health.org/allies/
Wonder where they get their info from? Maybe Senator Chuck Schumer, who was there in the Senate and watched her do it:
By Chuck Schumer, U.S. Senator for New York, Democratic party.
...
Hillary Clinton was instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11. She fought tooth and nail to protect the first responders who rushed into danger when the towers collapsed and was pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved.
...
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157#ixzz3sC1Ju0uC
merrily
(45,251 posts)read so similarly, including this one. Has nothing to do with the responders making anything up. What a piece of crap that claim was!
SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I've already said twice this is not about the first responders. You yourself posted info that proved they did not generate this info, but it came from Schumer, yet you keep repeating that I am discrediting the first responders. That's what I call making stuff up.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Millions of casualtiies, trillions of dollars, totally preventable.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)including Joe Biden, John Kerry and John Edwards.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Only the Third Wayers who wanted to be President, and were willing to cause such havoc to gain that office, voted for it
DCBob
(24,689 posts)58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)We're those who voted against it wrong?
Why did she refuse to read the National Intelligence Estimate?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)They cant all be fools and warmongers.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Did they not get it wrong, when most elected Democrats got it right?
They should be fired, not promoted, by any reasonable standard.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Any ideas?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)does it really matter?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Including Joe Biden, John Kerry and John Edwards. It makes no sense.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)This was probably the most difficult vote in their entire political career. They were wrong and made a mistake but at the time it seemed like the right thing to do. Of course no Democrat trusted Bush.. except perhaps Lieberman... but the evidence they were presenting was hard to dismiss taken at its face value. I think the tipping point for many was the Colin Powell UN speech. Most Democrats considered him a straight shooter and wouldn't lie about something this serious.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Millions of casualties.
The reality of the situation was well known, and stated in the National Intelligence Estimate. Most elected Democrats did the right thing. Bernie Sanders even predicted that something like ISIS would emerge from this horrific act.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I participated in 3 Iraq war protests here in DC.. including a huge one the weekend before the war started which the media mostly ignored. But I blame the Bush admin completely, not Democrats.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)It isn't that she was wrong about the Intel or believed Bush. No one in politics expected the President to lie blatantly like that. Bush made Nixon look trustworthy.
The problem is that her vote was not based on an assessment of whether the war was right or wrong but rather the pure political calculation of the vote's effect on winning future elections. If you send soldiers into battle to face death for that reason you lack the judgment, conscience and character to be CIC.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Amazing.
Amazing, isn't it? I wonder how he does it. Tarot? Clairvoyance? Scrying? Inspecting a sheep's liver?
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)After Pearl Harbor? Oh wait! Duped indeed. I wasn't duped. I never went to college. Duped by a stolen election but felt they were told the truth about Iraq. Hillary and the rest of the Dem's who voted for war should have been impeached.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Maybe you know more about that than I do.
okasha
(11,573 posts)The actual bill called for the UN inspectors to complete their investigation. Approval of force was contingent upon the presence of WMD's. Bush invaded without allowing completion of the inspections.
It was exactly the same bait-and-switch Lyondon Johnson used to pass the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, supported by George McGovern and William Fulbright, among other solidly liberal Senators.
Both Bush and Johnson short circuited the process and went to war illegally.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Were they traitors?
okasha
(11,573 posts)Why did a majority of Dem Senators approve it? They weren't all potential presidential candidates. Interestingly enough, Obama opted for a strategic absence the day of the vote, as Bobby Kennedy had done with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)You sure?
okasha
(11,573 posts)I have no idea where that came from. Should have checked sources first.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)So not a big deal.
He wasn't in the Senate in 2002.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Ready for some action, he was against it before he realized he should be gor action. Sanders has voted more times for military action than Clinton has. He votes consistently to fund the F-35 program which Lockheed Martin has the contract, it isn't feasible but he continues to vote for the program but now that he is running for president he wants to cut defense spending, which way is it, either he wants to continue the spending or he doesn't.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Just another politician I presume.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)No, thanks.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Is that ok?
It's way too long.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I think both Hillary and Bernie have been involved in politics for a long time, but I had no control in that matter since I did not live in NY or VT. If voters keep voting them in, then that's not their fault.
I like Bernie's vision for the country better, so I will be voting for Bernie. Not a ton of choices, and Bernie's vision is more similar to mine than the other candidates. I would be happy with O'Malley, though.
I am just so over the Clintons.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Just wanted to clarify that.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)A lot of folks have been in DC for a long time, but now I get a chance to decide if they stay in DC or not.
I wouldn't mind Bernie staying in DC longer. I do not want Clinton to stay in DC longer.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)You like Bernie for other reasons. That's fine.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I_AM_SAM
(16 posts)Bernie has passed my background checks. No baggages, minimal negative issues, broad appeal, cross-over appeal, and just as interesting.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Here are a few key ones...
-- His age. I wonder if he can withstand a grueling Presidential general election campaign.
-- His style. Bernie comes off as old, tired and cranky. Not an image most voters prefer.
-- His limited appeal. Bernie's focus is mostly on economics. That's not good enough to run for POTUS.
-- His lack of foreign policy experience. This will be a huge problem given what has just happened in Paris.
-- His lack of appeal to minorities. We cant win a general election without the minority vote.
-- His extreme approach to economic reforms. His ideas are interesting but I think America is not ready for them.
-- His oddball past. Fair or not the GOP with exploit this.
-- He is a self-identified socialist. Fair or not, the GOP with also exploit this to no end.
Bottom line, Bernie is a huge risk. Hillary is our best bet to beat the GOP.
I_AM_SAM
(16 posts)Let's go over them one by one.
-- His age. I wonder if he can withstand a grueling Presidential general election campaign.
Ageism. You can argue the same for Clinton. She recently had a health scare a few years ago involving her brain. Can she handle a rigorous GE campaign full of attacks on her personality, her policies, and her failed issues? Bernie will be fine and healthy as an ox.
-- His style. Bernie comes off as old, tired and cranky. Not an image most voters prefer.
Nope. He's very interesting, and would love to have a long discussion with him. His vast experience dealing with both the right and the left has given him a distinction.
-- His limited appeal. Bernie's focus is mostly on economics. That's not good enough to run for POTUS.
Economics that helps America. Such as single payer health care, free education paid for by Wall Street High Frequency Tax. He has differentiated himself by getting involved in social justice that is tied with income inequality, and has improved tremendously on Black Lives Matter. He hit a grand slam five times today at the BET. Give it a listen.
-- His lack of foreign policy experience. This will be a huge problem given what has just happened in Paris.
Ahem. Do you know who else had lack of foreign policy experience? Barack Obama. Still beat Clinton who didn't have much either, only through being FLOTUS.
-- His lack of appeal to minorities. We cant win a general election without the minority vote.
He made major inroads today, and will be in Atlanta on Monday. I think he's getting there. Clinton has already ignored the forum in favor for some stupid fundraiser in South Carolina.
-- His extreme approach to economic reforms. His ideas are interesting but I think America is not ready for them.
America is also tired of getting their asses reamed from that huge sucking machine that is controlled by the 1%.
-- His oddball past. Fair or not the GOP with exploit this.
Oddball? What is oddball about his past?
-- He is a self-identified socialist. Fair or not, the GOP with also exploit this to no end.
Guess you missed his excellent speech Thursday on Democratic Socialism. People have responded positively on the idea of socialism. Don't like it, get the hell off my socialist roads and start walking. Eisenhower created the Interstate Highway System which is socialist. I'm taking it on Tuesday for a road trip to see the family on Thanksgiving.
Have a great Thanksgiving, DCBob, and hold the pollution.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Others not so enamored with Bernie might not feel the same.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Please stay. We need you.
okasha
(11,573 posts)His failure to hold a steady job before the age of 40. That's unusual in the population at large, and unheard of in a Presidential candidate.
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Probably the most qualified ever to run for President.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Is it maybe because his resume sucks in comparison?
Dem2
(8,166 posts)One of the most impressive resume's of any candidate, ever.
Thanks.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Intentional.