2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnother DU myth BUSTED: Hillary leading Sanders 53% to 32% with younger voters (+21 points)
Clinton's leading within every demographic group on the Democratic side but it's closer with some segments of the electorate than others. She leads Sanders just 50/36 with white voters, but is up 70/13 with African Americans and 84/8 with Hispanics. She leads Sanders just 47/32 with men, but is up 69/22 with women. She leads Sanders just 53/32 with younger voters, but is up 66/17 with seniors. And she leads Sanders by just 17 with 'very liberal' voters at 56/39, but is up 34 with moderates at 56/22, and 49 points with 'somewhat liberal' voters at 72/23.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/11/gop-has-clear-top-4-clinton-dominant-for-dems-general-election-tight.html
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You can't trust them.
BainsBane
(53,010 posts)aligning for TPTB.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Voters 18-30 have different views than those 30-45.
frylock
(34,825 posts)the fuck?
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)18-45
Clinton 40
Bernie 46
45+
Clinton 63
Bernie 22
This poll random dialed all numbers. 1495 were polled with 418 identifying as Dems
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-lead-among-democrats-cbs-newsny-times-poll/
and they said it was a myth.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The millennial divide is a very strong one.
How F***ed up is the MSM to consider anyone under 45 young? And how desperate are they for numbers in Hillary's favour to polute a poll like that?
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)(they were born in 76 and 74 we were born in 80 and 83).
It's a totally different outlook when you grow up with the internet and internet precursors your entire adolescence.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)"But they said it on the news" doesn't carry much weight with millennials.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)watch with "Rabbit ears" or any of that nonsense.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Maybe you don't understand how polling works?
Pretty sure, the lower the number is, the better.
You might want to take a course in statistics...
DhhD
(4,695 posts)on Nov 4, 2015; 30 students per class X 6 periods. This middle class, high school, has 700 Senior students.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)there are more registered voters on college campus than on high school campuses. I'm really not sure why you're talking about high school registered voters.
in all 50 states!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)side doesn't like that word. I thought it was fascinating.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Clearly a conspiracy by the Fascist Oligarchy.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/266615-study-finds-ppp-kos-the-most-accurate-pollsters-in-2012
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Hekate
(90,496 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)ToxMarz
(2,159 posts)So a B- would still rank as above average
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)PPP isn't the end-all and be-all. With any poll, any pollster, you need to look at how the poll was conducted. Polls where the order in which the candidates are listed isn't varied are less likely to be accurate than ones where it is varied. Sampling landlines only is also a sign that the sample may not be representative.
Hekate
(90,496 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I'll say it again: the pollster firm you're deriding has a better rating on fivethirtyeight than PPP. So I guess the poll cited in the OP must really be crap.
Hekate
(90,496 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Hekate
(90,496 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Which is the group he leads with. More attempts to mislead by moving the goal posts.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They are known as 'Generation X'
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Which poll are you looking at which shows him leading with millennials?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They really suck at propaganda and manipulation.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)he's leading with millennials.
Too funny.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Why are you guys embracing right wing again?
Millennials, those born between 1985 and 1997, are more than twice as likely to vote for Sanders than Clinton, leading her 54 percent to 26 percent, the NBC News-Survey Monkey poll said.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/285352517/NBC-SurveyMonkey-methodology
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Hekate
(90,496 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The polls your citing are over a month old.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)You said there were no polls.
Now you don't like the date? Whatever makes you happy I guess. Do you have a poll that is recent that shows that the debates and Benghazi and Biden somehow wooed the millennials over to Clinton?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I asked for polls and you provided me with polls that were over a month old.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Whatever.
So you don't have a poll showing that in the past month Clinton has won over the millennials?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It shows Sanders BEATING ALL REPUBLICANS while Hillary LOSES TO ALL REPUBLICANS BY DOUBLE DIGITS
It also shows that Sanders smokes Clinton among Millennials too.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/11/18/poll-61-millennials-hold-unfavorable-view-hillary-clinton/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/colorado/release-detail?ReleaseID=2303
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Hekate
(90,496 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)although I have very long hair. That stuff really does what it says it does!
Yeah, I know. Totally OT.
And just for clarity's sake...
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)But hey, who needs to look at methodology.
Cha
(296,679 posts)dragonfly301
(399 posts)41% of homes are without landlines in the US (Time Magazine 7/8/14) yet major polling organizations are still conducting polls relying heavily on landlines. The poll being discussed had "80% of participants responded via the phone, while 20% of respondents who did not
have landlines conducted the survey over the internet." I hardly think it gives an accurate picture. Also as mentioned above the Democratic polling listed the younger respondents as 18 to 45, yet at one point in the poll they did ask
Q28 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1. If 30 to
45, press 2. If 46 to 65, press 3. If you are older
than 65, press 4.
18 to 29 12% ...........................................................
30 to 45 27% ...........................................................
46 to 65 41% ...........................................................
Older than 65 20% .......................
So why didn't they give the results with those age brackets?
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To be fair you are using different metrics. The people making all this noise think forty is old. Hence the level of conversation from them.
sheshe2
(83,587 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Let the unskewing begin!
coyote
(1,561 posts)Is this one also sponsored by a Clinton super PAC like the other one was?
Gman
(24,780 posts)I hate to use that word, but that's about the only way to describe it now.
There will be "good excuses" for why this poll is wrong.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)DFW
(54,256 posts)If you're dyslexic, that is.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Explains a lot of the anger at Hillary to. Anger is the next phase.
Number23
(24,544 posts)but they were still there.
I saw one poster upthread said that he wasn't even going to bother reading the responses because he knew that DU Sanders supporters would just ignore them out right. He was 100% correct.
captainarizona
(363 posts)I got blocked from the Bernie thread for just mentoning that Bernie Sanders needs to attract a lot more minority voters which is nearly half of democratic voters. I will vote for Bernie in the primary and then Mrs. Clinton in the general election.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Thank you for playing.
msongs
(67,336 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)You added "results"
But then you are losing so I guess you need that to go on
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Hekate
(90,496 posts)oasis
(49,309 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)said I'm voting for Bernie in the primary. Any democrat gets my vote in the general election.
Except for positions in my local po dunk town government running unopposed. Then I write in people like Scott Walker and Paul Ryan.
oasis
(49,309 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)You just keep on posting the total BS if you want. good luck to you
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I didn't see a disclaimer line saying who paid for this one. Two poorly constructed polls from the same firm within a week does raise an eyebrow.
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)cell-phone texting young people <15 that bought One Direction CDs in the past year.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Her dad, of course, calls them "No Direction"
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Bernie has tons of support with young voters.the ones the MSM underpolls.the ones who shwo excitement for him in crowds and donating.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)since DU is mostly taking Hillary's side
smh nevermind 18-45? face palm
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Probably a lot
JI7
(89,233 posts)It wasn't that Sanders himself always had the lead but that he did better with younger voters as compared to other age groups.
Just as he does better with white voters than minorities but clinton still leads with white voters.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)And all my senior friends. Just saying.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Hillary may well have the older 75+ crowd locked up, and Bernie has close to 50% of the 18-24 youth vote.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)The real news is that younger women are less likely to choose her than older women. I have also noticed that younger women (i.e. those in school) have had very little real world experience with sexism.