Another DU myth BUSTED: Hillary leading Sanders 53% to 32% with younger voters (+21 points)

[Cali_Democrat]

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Clinton's leading within every demographic group on the Democratic side but it's closer with some segments of the electorate than others. She leads Sanders just 50/36 with white voters, but is up 70/13 with African Americans and 84/8 with Hispanics. She leads Sanders just 47/32 with men, but is up 69/22 with women. She leads Sanders just 53/32 with younger voters, but is up 66/17 with seniors. And she leads Sanders by just 17 with 'very liberal' voters at 56/39, but is up 34 with moderates at 56/22, and 49 points with 'somewhat liberal' voters at 72/23.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/11/gop-has-clear-top-4-clinton-dominant-for-dems-general-election-tight.html

[onehandle]

1. Numbers have a natural third-way bias.

You can't trust them.

[BainsBane]

6. It's the MSM-science-logic conspiracy

aligning for TPTB.

[olegramps]

47. I am not going to bother to read the responses. Benie supporters will reject them out of hand.

[DemocraticWing]

2. This defines younger voters as 18-45

Voters 18-30 have different views than those 30-45.

[frylock]

23. 18-45?

the fuck?

[Mnpaul]

92. The CBS poll did that too

18-45
Clinton 40
Bernie 46

45+
Clinton 63
Bernie 22

This poll random dialed all numbers. 1495 were polled with 418 identifying as Dems
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-lead-among-democrats-cbs-newsny-times-poll/

and they said it was a myth.

[MillennialDem]

39. Most 35 year olds are more in line with 25 year olds than 45 year olds as far as political views go.

[Betty Karlson]

70. This one certainly is.

The millennial divide is a very strong one.

How F***ed up is the MSM to consider anyone under 45 young? And how desperate are they for numbers in Hillary's favour to polute a poll like that?

[MillennialDem]

71. Yep, I identify culturally more with my partner's niece (who is 16) then I do with her brothers

(they were born in 76 and 74 we were born in 80 and 83).

It's a totally different outlook when you grow up with the internet and internet precursors your entire adolescence.

[Betty Karlson]

79. For one, you don't assume the corporate media to be credible.

"But they said it on the news" doesn't carry much weight with millennials.

[MillennialDem]

81. Hehe. Indeed. What's the news? Haven't had cable or satellite in like 10 years. And I don't

watch with "Rabbit ears" or any of that nonsense.

[zappaman]

3. Actually, this shows that Bernie is winning!

Maybe you don't understand how polling works?
Pretty sure, the lower the number is, the better.
You might want to take a course in statistics...

[DhhD]

42. And in one high school class of 150 Senior Government Students, only 12 were registered to vote

on Nov 4, 2015; 30 students per class X 6 periods. This middle class, high school, has 700 Senior students.

[Ed Suspicious]

75. I think when we aren't limiting the conversation to high school students. I would wager that

there are more registered voters on college campus than on high school campuses. I'm really not sure why you're talking about high school registered voters.

[treestar]

80. lol

in all 50 states!

[NurseJackie]

4. Fascinating!

[upaloopa]

32. I learned yesterday that someone on the other

side doesn't like that word. I thought it was fascinating.

[NurseJackie]

35. Now that really IS fascinating.

[winter is coming]

5. Conducted via robocall, so landlines only and no rotation of candidates' names. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Clearly a conspiracy by the Fascist Oligarchy. nt

[winter is coming]

19. It's sloppy polling methodology, and perhaps why fivethirtyeight ranks PPP as a B-. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

20. PPP was the most accurate pollster during the last presidential election cycle.

Clearly a conspiracy by the Fascist Oligarchy.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/266615-study-finds-ppp-kos-the-most-accurate-pollsters-in-2012

[winter is coming]

21. Then we had some shitty polling back then. Looks like we do now, too. n/t

[Hekate]

48. Only if you were Rove hoping Romney would win, poor things

[freshwest]

88. Yeah, Rove was let down by his pollsters. Obama wasn't. So there's a problem now? IDK. n/t

[ToxMarz]

38. Well a C is average

So a B- would still rank as above average

[winter is coming]

40. And the pollster cited by Fox News yesterday is rated a B.

PPP isn't the end-all and be-all. With any poll, any pollster, you need to look at how the poll was conducted. Polls where the order in which the candidates are listed isn't varied are less likely to be accurate than ones where it is varied. Sampling landlines only is also a sign that the sample may not be representative.

[Hekate]

51. That scene where Rove thought Romney HAD to be winning was priceless!

[winter is coming]

56. Wow, nothing is more convincing than a non-sequitur followed by a smilie.

I'll say it again: the pollster firm you're deriding has a better rating on fivethirtyeight than PPP. So I guess the poll cited in the OP must really be crap.

[Hekate]

58. FOX News strikes again. YMMV

[winter is coming]

61. The same poll was later cited by The Hill. Better toss them under the bus, too. n/t

[Hekate]

84. I don't use busses, but YMMV.

[upaloopa]

33. Any god damned port in a storm

[AgingAmerican]

7. I note you left out the term 'Millennials'

Which is the group he leads with. More attempts to mislead by moving the goal posts.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. Bernie leads with millennials? Which poll are you looking at? nt

[AgingAmerican]

24. 40 somethings are not Millennials

They are known as 'Generation X'

[Cali_Democrat]

28. Above you said "I note you left out the term 'Millennials'...Which is the group he leads with"

Which poll are you looking at which shows him leading with millennials?

[AgingAmerican]

29. It's what her supporters do

They really suck at propaganda and manipulation.

[Cali_Democrat]

30. So you can't cite a poll showing him leading with millenials even though you said

he's leading with millennials.

Too funny.

[AgingAmerican]

41. IN fact Gen Xers AND Millinnials both reject all forms of right wingism.

Why are you guys embracing right wing again?

Millennials, those born between 1985 and 1997, are more than twice as likely to vote for Sanders than Clinton, leading her 54 percent to 26 percent, the NBC News-Survey Monkey poll said.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/285352517/NBC-SurveyMonkey-methodology

[Cali_Democrat]

46. Where's the poll showing Sanders leading Clinton among millennials? nt

[Hekate]

53. There isn't one, but they're so cute when they insist there is

[Goblinmonger]

64. Well

There's this

And this

And this

And this

[Cali_Democrat]

66. Any recent polls? You know...since the first debate, the Benghazi hearing and Biden dropped out?

The polls your citing are over a month old.

[Goblinmonger]

68. Moving the goal posts much?

You said there were no polls.

Now you don't like the date? Whatever makes you happy I guess. Do you have a poll that is recent that shows that the debates and Benghazi and Biden somehow wooed the millennials over to Clinton?

[Cali_Democrat]

69. I never said there were no polls

I asked for polls and you provided me with polls that were over a month old.

[Goblinmonger]

76. So we're playing this cute little game of rhetorical passive aggression?

Whatever.

So you don't have a poll showing that in the past month Clinton has won over the millennials?

[AgingAmerican]

78. Here's one that came out yesterday

It shows Sanders BEATING ALL REPUBLICANS while Hillary LOSES TO ALL REPUBLICANS BY DOUBLE DIGITS

It also shows that Sanders smokes Clinton among Millennials too.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/11/18/poll-61-millennials-hold-unfavorable-view-hillary-clinton/

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/colorado/release-detail?ReleaseID=2303

[BlueCaliDem]

8. This is really good news! K&R!

[Walk away]

12. Sad when splitting hairs = Best you can say for your candidate's bad poll #s....

[Hekate]

54. You can use a creme rinse for split ends, you know

[BlueCaliDem]

85. I've been using Wen shampoo/cream rinse for years, and I haven't gotten any split ends

although I have very long hair. That stuff really does what it says it does!

Yeah, I know. Totally OT.

And just for clarity's sake...

[center][font color="red" size="5" face="face"]This is not spamming! It's a joke.[/font][/center]

[jeff47]

9. As long as you define "younger" as 26-45, with a landline.

But hey, who needs to look at methodology.

[Cha]

11. What's up with that!?

[dragonfly301]

13. When will polling catch up to the way society lives today?

41% of homes are without landlines in the US (Time Magazine 7/8/14) yet major polling organizations are still conducting polls relying heavily on landlines. The poll being discussed had "80% of participants responded via the phone, while 20% of respondents who did not
have landlines conducted the survey over the internet." I hardly think it gives an accurate picture. Also as mentioned above the Democratic polling listed the younger respondents as 18 to 45, yet at one point in the poll they did ask

Q28 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1. If 30 to
45, press 2. If 46 to 65, press 3. If you are older
than 65, press 4.
18 to 29 12% ...........................................................
30 to 45 27% ...........................................................
46 to 65 41% ...........................................................
Older than 65 20% .......................

So why didn't they give the results with those age brackets?

[NCTraveler]

15. This shows Sanders taking fifty states!!!!!!!!!

To be fair you are using different metrics. The people making all this noise think forty is old. Hence the level of conversation from them.

[sheshe2]

16. KnR

[Iliyah]

17. K & R

Let the unskewing begin!

[coyote]

22. Another PPP poll

Is this one also sponsored by a Clinton super PAC like the other one was?

[Gman]

25. Denial is really getting bad now

I hate to use that word, but that's about the only way to describe it now.

There will be "good excuses" for why this poll is wrong.

[olegramps]

45. Maybe they think Denial is a river in Egypt.

[DFW]

55. It's the name of a mountain in Alaska.

If you're dyslexic, that is.

[Gman]

77. A normal phase of grief. The first.

Explains a lot of the anger at Hillary to. Anger is the next phase.

[Number23]

82. Yeah, there were a shitload of excuses. None of them were actually any good

but they were still there.

I saw one poster upthread said that he wasn't even going to bother reading the responses because he knew that DU Sanders supporters would just ignore them out right. He was 100% correct.

[captainarizona]

26. Mrs. Clinton are next president

I got blocked from the Bernie thread for just mentoning that Bernie Sanders needs to attract a lot more minority voters which is nearly half of democratic voters. I will vote for Bernie in the primary and then Mrs. Clinton in the general election.

[Android3.14]

27. We've already determined that HRC pays PPP for specific results

Thank you for playing.

[msongs]

34. we have? you forgot evidence to support this claim. nt

[upaloopa]

36. No correcttherecord paid PPP for a poll

You added "results"
But then you are losing so I guess you need that to go on

[Amimnoch]

37. It lets them feel better.

[Hekate]

86. Sources? Citations? links? You got nuttin' but the VRWC.

[oasis]

31. Wonderful, enlightening revelation. Take note naysayers.

It's not too late top hop aboard the Hillary Express bound for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..

[MillennialDem]

43. Honestly I don't really care all that much either way. I just want to flip the supreme court. That

said I'm voting for Bernie in the primary. Any democrat gets my vote in the general election.

Except for positions in my local po dunk town government running unopposed. Then I write in people like Scott Walker and Paul Ryan.

[oasis]

52. The future of SCOTUS depends on the 2016 vote. (eom)

[litlbilly]

44. cali-d, ppp polling = David Brock = Correct the Recore =Hillary superpac = total nonsense polling,

You just keep on posting the total BS if you want. good luck to you

[winter is coming]

60. I don't think Corrupt the Record is the only group using PPP.

I didn't see a disclaimer line saying who paid for this one. Two poorly constructed polls from the same firm within a week does raise an eyebrow.

[Gamecock Lefty]

49. But Bernie SURGES Among . . .

cell-phone texting young people <15 that bought One Direction CDs in the past year.

[leftofcool]

62. My 13 year old grand daughter love One Direction.

Her dad, of course, calls them "No Direction"

[Buzz Clik]

50. How is he doing with those who want a lot of stuff for free?

[winter is coming]

67. The 1%? Not so good with them, I'm afraid. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

72. ..

[Robbins]

57. Bullcrap

Bernie has tons of support with young voters.the ones the MSM underpolls.the ones who shwo excitement for him in crowds and donating.

[PatrynXX]

59. coming at this as a Myth is silly

since DU is mostly taking Hillary's side


smh nevermind 18-45? face palm

[Cheese Sandwich]

63. First we need to check how much money that PPP polling outfit receives from the Clinton campaign.

Probably a lot

[JI7]

65. she usually had a lead with young voters

It wasn't that Sanders himself always had the lead but that he did better with younger voters as compared to other age groups.

Just as he does better with white voters than minorities but clinton still leads with white voters.

[bravenak]

73. OLIGARCHY POLLS!!!!

[newfie11]

74. He's got this seniors vote

And all my senior friends. Just saying.

[reformist2]

83. Enough with the bogus polls! Bernie's at 35% nationally, he's obvo doing way better with youngings.

Hillary may well have the older 75+ crowd locked up, and Bernie has close to 50% of the 18-24 youth vote.

[Alfresco]

87. Check the Scoreboard Bro!

[freshwest]

89. K&R'd, but I hate the horse race thing. Americans are being denied real policy info. n/t

[jfern]

90. The NBC poll has Sanders up 55-33 with those under 30

[McCamy Taylor]

91. Since younger voters are half women, this is to be expected.

The real news is that younger women are less likely to choose her than older women. I have also noticed that younger women (i.e. those in school) have had very little real world experience with sexism.