Before the General Election

[Aerows]

we have got to get all of this crap hashed out.

If you tell blatant lies, you must understand that it is part of the vetting process to expose them.

Nobody wants to get blindsided by a candidate that can be demonstrably shown as a liar and a hypocrite.

Deal with it. You can gloss over some things, but there are things that you cannot gloss over.

Stolen Valor, attempts at it and another attempt at it the day before Veteran's day will not be forgotten.

I am actually surprised by how many people here on DU do not understand how serious it is to do so, how disgusting it is, and how you can possibly believe that you can cover that shit with a new coat of paint.

DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

There are the caps.

[MohRokTah]

1. .

[ibegurpard]

2. part of the problem right here

[MohRokTah]

3. The REAL problem is over the top hyperbolic rhetorical drama. eom

[Aerows]

4. I got a reply, I guess

Clearly it is from someone I have on ignore for good reason.

Go ahead and defend this. I won't see it, and furthermore, there is no way I could see it as defensible.

This is her second attempt at Stolen Valor - bullets in Serbia, and now "I tried to join the Marines a month after I got married but got turned away because I was (lied about age) a graduate of Yale with my J.D.".

If you were trying to write some fanfiction about Hillary Clinton, that might somehow be retconned in. But realistically speaking, in 1975, they were desperate for JAG officers due to the atrocities that many Marines were charged with.

Brush up on your history.

[MohRokTah]

11. It's good to know you have me on ignore.

I wonder how you will handle this showing up at the top of your "My Posts" list without it showing a response?

[ibegurpard]

16. mine is getting that way too

[Aerows]

18. I've seen some bad justifications

But I cannot tolerate seeing that one, and will not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. " O K "

EOM

[Aerows]

19. I saw yours.

You haven't gotten there yet.

[winter is coming]

9. I guess a lot of people don't know anyone who's served.

But you're right, stolen valor is something that isn't lightly dismissed or soon forgotten.

[Aerows]

17. Apparently not.

And apparently they have some idea in their mind that every single person in the military is a grunt, is dumb, and that there is no need for officers for JAG skills.

It's really difficult for me to understand how folks can be so cut off from the people that are around them and serve in the military, yet wave flags like they are doing something.

[Krytan11c]

22. What's wrong with grunts?

Jk. Your post is spot on.

[Aerows]

24. Thanks :)

[cheapdate]

30. That's not what "stolen valor" means.

It means falsely claiming you served. Sheesh.

[winter is coming]

31. I know what it means, thanks.

If you don't get how "I was going to sign up, but..." isn't first cousin to "I did X", then sheesh.

[cheapdate]

32. If one wants to stretch and distort language

to fit their argument, I can't stop them.

[Aerows]

35. I can't stop them, either

But I can speak up about Hillary Clinton doing so.

[JaneyVee]

10. Is this the new faux outrage of the day?

[MohRokTah]

12. They must have some sort of over the top hyperbolic rhetorical dramatic event.

Their candidate certainly isn't providing any excitement.

[Aerows]

13. If you think there is the slightest thing

"faux" about it, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You are seriously asking this?

In retrospect, I see no reason to continue to reply to you.

[JaneyVee]

15. Please, proceed.

[MohRokTah]

14. ^^ See what I mean?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. There is so much acrimony on this board.

I think a lot of people just need a .

[Gore1FL]

29. And may I be the first to...

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. I take it you know a lot of Veterans.

[Agnosticsherbet]

21. I've had crap hash, and it tasted.like crap, so I'll have to crap out.

[Aerows]

26. LOL! n/t

[Half-Century Man]

23. For whatever you get out of it.

Excerpt from William Shakespear's Henry V (1599). Saint Crispin's day speech.

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

The heroes were the ones who died screaming in the mud. The arms, legs, eyes, and childhoods burned off some of us. I am not a hero. Don't thank me. I was just a witness at a distance.


Goodnight, I need a drink.

[Aerows]

25. Take it easy.

Don't overdo.

[Half-Century Man]

36. I'm okay

Veteran's day makes me morbid.

I do not get drunk on Veteran's day, not in many years. 1, 4oz glass of Jameson Irish Whiskey served in a dimly lit room has been my prescription for V'sD for 3 years now. I better the next day. A little grumpy perhaps, but better.

My behavior baffles me. I know it isn't PTSD; no reason for that. Just something about the currently acceptable way of "celebrating" V'sD just infuriates me.

[Kalidurga]

28. Thank you so much

many of my family members have been in wars or the military during peace times. So, this much I know the scars last forever even if they didn't get physically wounded, they have seen things they can never forget. My nephew lost a good friend in his convoy when his friends vehicle that was right behind him was blown up by an IED.

I absolutely despise people who lie about their service. I think this is a whopper and I will not forget about it.

[Major Nikon]

33. Results...

On Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Before the General Election
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251797112

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster claims HRC is guilty of Stolen Valor. The phrase Stolen Valor has a specific meaning: SVis when someone who did not serve claims to have been in the military, boasts of his wartime heroism, wears stolen Medal of Honor, Purple Hearts,etc for profit. Aerows thread is a reaction to a thread about a story HRC told about going to see a Marine Recruiter to join up. That is not Stolen Valor. Cheapens the term and is OTT smear

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[Aerows]

34. Thank you

and thank you to the jurors that knew *exactly* why I used that term.