Hamburger vs Steak

[cosmicone]

Most people would rather have a filet mignon but many can only rarely eat it.

So they settle on a hamburger and then have all sorts of points to explain how a hamburger is good for you.

1. It is less chewy
2. It can be seasoned much better
3. It has more nutrients
4. It is tastier because it has various cuts of meat
5. It is easier for left-handed people to eat
6. It has more Vitamin B-12
7. One cannot choke on a hamburger etc. etc.

All the people proclaiming the above attributes would take a filet mignon if offered for free in a heartbeat but as long as the filet remains elusive, they will sing praises of the hamburger.

Let me connect. At the beginning of the primary discussions, no one mentioned Bernie. Elizabeth Warren was all the rage. Multiple signature lines and Avatars promoting Elizabeth Warren. She was and remains the filet.

As Senator Warren declined to run, there was a period when people wondered if they would go hungry without the steak.

Then, on the horizon, appeared the hamburger ... I mean... Senator Sanders and there was a feeding frenzy and all the posts appeared about how the hamburger is so much better. Many a signature line with Senator Warren remain ... evidencing the fact that she is the first choice.

So my dear fellow democrats who are promoting Senator Sanders, deep down inside, you know he is just a fallback choice and shall always remain a hamburger because what you really crave is not available and will never be available this cycle.

While proclaiming honesty, I doubt anyone has the openness to post that Bernie is no where as good as Senator Warren will never be as good as Senator Warren and that is all he is -- a second choice fallback.

[randys1]

1. I never saw Warren, the former Republican, as preferred to Bernie, or really Hillary

for that matter.

I like her, but no, she never was the filet mignon to me.

[Wilms]

2. The logic I learned in college is different from yours. n/t

[Fumesucker]

3. That's because the logic you learned in college did not start with the conclusion and work backwards

[PowerToThePeople]

19. This

You and Wilms have it right.

Aspirin is needed after reading this OP.

[immoderate]

4. Filet Mignon is overrated. I like a rib eye.

Also Bernie is the best candidate.

--imm

[UglyGreed]

13. +1

[Kali]

31. ...

I suppose one could go into an amateur psych analysis about hamburger for regular middle class people and fillet for rich elites if one really wanted to point out the possibly subliminal Freudian choices going on in the OP but that would be silly...

and yeah, anybody that appreciates good steak chooses bone-in ribeye, grilled over mesquite especially.

[Vattel]

5. That's a lot of words to claim only that most Sanders supporters would prefer Warren.

I would prefer Sanders because he seems less hawkish and more generally progressive. It would be a tough choice, though, because unlike Sanders or Clinton or O'Malley, Warren has real serious expertise on economic issues and that might make her more effective on those kind of issues.

[RGinNJ]

6. Hamburger still beats bologna.

[whatchamacallit]

22. Win. n/t

[think]

28. winner winner chicken dinner

[merrily]

41. Haven't finished reading the thread, but, after I do, you may well be my thread winner.

Thanks for posting.

[RGinNJ]

49. Thank You for the kind words.

[merrily]

50. You're more than welcome. You and Reformist2 (Reply 25) made me laugh.

Bologna and mystery meat!

[Hydra]

61. *Ding!* Win!

[RiverLover]

69. Bingo!

No phony, re-constituted, pre-formed meat with unknown ingredients for me.

[DVRacer]

79. I was going to say hotdog

But I think you are absolutely on the right track with that analogy. Why would we want a mushy barely classified meat product when at least we can have a hamburger and a USDA PRIME one at that! I will be glad to eat my hamburger given the alternative is a hotdog or bologna.

[cascadiance]

7. I like both Warren and Sanders...

My major reason for supporting Warren as my first choice earlier, is that it would serve to make it that much harder for the media and others to emphasize "identity politics" in a primary battle versus Clinton that we had so much of in the last election and at times we've had in this election too instead of focusing on the issues. Bernie's at least through a strong effort on his part has made a huge effort to direct those talking to him to focus on issues, which is what SHOULD be how we judge the candidates we are voting for.

Both of them are filet mignon, if you are going to use that metaphor, compared to the other candidates. Though that implies they are also a "rich person"'s plate too. I want someone that can provide us a great steak or other very enjoyable and healthy food for that matter that everyone can afford, not just the wealthy that our corrupt country tries to serve more today.

[LiberalArkie]

8. I really see Bernie as the magnet pulling HRC to the left as the Wall Streeter are trying to pull

her to the right. HRC started with certain ideas from associating with her crowd. She is now associating with some different people and her views are being more refined. This is what happens. This is the way it should work.

[firebrand80]

9. I always wonder whether Warren is kicking herself

If her reason for not running was that she didn't think she could take down Hillary, then she might be looking at what Bernie is doing despite his disadvantages and thinking she could be pulling at least 40% of Dems right now.

[Armstead]

29. SHe's probably saying "Thank God. Life's too short to put up with that kind of crap."

[Fearless]

10. That's a false equivalence.

[leveymg]

11. I'd order a good Bacon Cheeseburger over a middling Chateaubriand, anyday.

Your metaphor is dry, tasteless and way overdone.

[merrily]

42. LOL!

[retrowire]

12. i read the last line like this

"HES JUST A PLAN B! HE DOESNT REALLY MEAN ANYTHING TO YOOOUUU!!! WHY DONT YOU CHOOSE THE STEAK THAT IS HILLAAARRRRYYYY"

Ahem, I learned about Liz warren after bernie. lol

[RobertEarl]

14. cosmic one is our hero!!

Where would we be if we didn't have the cosmic one telling us what to think?

why we'd be lost!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Nope. If it was Sanders vs Warren, I'd still vote Sanders.

As for Hillary, she's off the menu.

[Mnpaul]

23. Wouldn't that be something

Having both on the ticket and having to decide between the two. It would make for interesting debates as well.

[closeupready]

16. That's an interesting metaphor you're using; it's the same one the Clinton's used

in helping to argue why a lower standard of living in the US wouldn't ultimately matter (in the wake the passage of NAFTA or outsourcing US jobs), because "people will switch from steak to hamburger".

[Mnpaul]

24. catfood commission early draft?

I can't believe that people want to continue down this path.

[bobbobbins01]

17. If Warren is Filet, and Bernie is Hamburger...

I don't even want to speculate what that makes Hillary. Not fit for human consumption?

[winter is coming]

26. Grade F. Circus animals and filler.

That's a joke from The Simpsons, before anyone starts having a hissy fit.

[HerbChestnut]

18. I'm a burger and beer guy myself, personally.

[TSIAS]

20. Hillary is like the chop steak

I'll eat it when I have absolutely no other options.

[aikoaiko]

21. If that's true, that implies HRC is a turkey burger.

Not an adequate substitute.

[reformist2]

25. If Warren is steak and Bernie is hamburger, I know what that makes Hillary... mystery meat!

LOL

[merrily]

51. LOL! RGinNJ (Reply 6) said bologna. You both made me laugh. Thanks.

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. You can't always get what you want.

http://m.

[merrily]

44. Please see Reply 43.

[Agnosticsherbet]

47. I remember the furor over the draft Warren before Sanders stepped up.

The Stones answered that best.

[merrily]

48. I have no idea what your post says, but it probably doesn't negate my Reply 43.

I remember the for or her over draft Warren before Sanders stepped up.

The answered that best.

What does that mean?

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. Edited my response above.

My phone is not an ideal medium.

Before Sanders, the progressives solidified around Warren. She chose not to run, and most of that demographic moved to Sanders.

So I posted my link to the Rolling Stones.

They did not get what they wanted. Sanders appears to fill the progressive need for a revolutionary candidate.

[merrily]

55. O! My prophetic soul. Your reply 47 does not negate my Reply 43. The vast majority of posts

on this thread from Bernie supporters say he was their first choice.

As for me, I didn't think there was a prayer he would run, so, yes, I "coalesced" around Warren in vast preference to anointing Hillary. Still, Sanders was my first choice. See my Reply 33.

Problem with your reply and treestar's is that they ignore what Bernie supporters posted on this thread about the order of their preferences, which is what the OP is about, after all.

[winter is coming]

30. Wow, that analogy is lousy. It's not a hamburger versus steak proposition.

Warren versus Sanders is more like "people who want steak discover that steakhouse A isn't open, so they move along to steakhouse B". Maybe steakhouse A is more conveniently located, or has better desserts, but they're still quite happy to be getting a steak at steakhouse B.

[Armstead]

32. And of Warren had dared to challenge Clinton Inc. (TM) you'd be saying the exact opposite

"Yes we all know you are pretending to like Warren. But you really would have preferred that Sanders run."

[merrily]

33. I never preferred Warren to Sanders. There, you've made me out myself to all my Warren fan friends

on DU for the very first time. I hope you're happy.

I hoped Warren would run because I assumed there was not a prayer that Sanders would run. I was ecstatic to be proven wrong.

For me, Sanders is restaurant quality filet mignon, Warren is prime rib, O'Malley is sirloin and I've crossed Hillary off my menu.

Now, I have to go unclog my virtual arteries.

[Cassiopeia]

37. That's the exact order I would use to list them.

[merrily]

38. So, you're outing yourself as well? The things we do for Sanders.

[Cassiopeia]

39. I guess so.

This country needs radical change to correct the radical insanity of the last 3 decades.

I don't believe Hillary even desires radical change.

[merrily]

40. Don't know about her. Her husband said his Prof., Carroll Quigley, was one of the two biggest

influences on his life (the other he cited being JFK). Quigley posited that certainty was best for financial markets. Therefore, it was best for financial markets that differences between Presidential administrations be minimal. Ergo, Democrats and Republicans being a lot like each other was good for financial markets.

Since then, our economy has become less dependent on manufacturing and even more dependent on things like investing.

[RiverLover]

70. I still love ya merrily!

No shame in making the right choice from the start. Just the opposite!

[merrily]

73. Awww, RiverLover, you are so kind. I love you, too.

[treestar]

34. I agree; seems the same people who were going on about Warren

and were anti-Hillary already then jumped on the BS wagon when it came into being.

[merrily]

43. Even though most people on this thread say they prefer Sanders to Warren.

Bravo! Never let facts get in your way!

[Autumn]

35. I notice only popular meats. Poor Hillary didn't even make the menu.

[Cassiopeia]

36. Sanders was my first choice.

We need Warren right where she's at to help Sanders wrestle control of this country away from the plutocrats.

[brooklynite]

45. This thread is offensive to Vegetarian Democrats...

...and was the Hamburger Bun organic?

[aidbo]

46. In this analogy, Republican candidates are soylent green?

[Live and Learn]

53. Meh... We obviously travel in different hemispheres. nt

[Scootaloo]

54. A hamburger is still much better than a shit sandwich n/t

[Raine1967]

56. Honest question: Where does Clinton fit into this scenario?

She, like Warren and Sanders was always part of the menu.

And where would one put O'Malley on said menu?

Seriously, if we are gonna compare candidates that are and are not running as entrees, where do the others fit in? Are they all cattle?

[ibegurpard]

58. canned meat product

[Raine1967]

63. That is really kinda mean.

I didn't ask the question to get such a trashy answer.

[ibegurpard]

57. Clinton ain't even hamburger

She's Spam...she'll do if you're starving to death.

[restorefreedom]

59. whatever the differences between sanders and warren,

i was hoping bernie would run before he even announced. and that is the truth. he is not "hamburger" to me. and if they were both in the primary i would still vote for bernie as much as i like warren

who is the steak that clinton is the hamburger to? because she is NOT the "steak progressive" for sure

[Warren DeMontague]

60. And Hillary is even less preferable to many of those people than Sanders is.

So--- you're arguing that those presumably settling for something less than ideal should settle for something they want even less than that, because....


ah.....


hmmmm....


errrrr....


ahhhh....



oh, wait.... you're not trying to make an actual logical point, just poking Sanders supporters because it's fun! derp

[Kalidurga]

62. Red meat causes cancer

I prefer salmon anyway.

[Eric J in MN]

64. A Hillary Clinton presidency will be like sitting in a restaurant waiting-and-waiting

...for your meal while Wall St executives stuff their faces around you.

[merrily]

65. Then, you find out that, not only are you not getting your meal, but you are paying for theirs.

And you get to bus tables....as an unpaid intern.

[polly7]

68. I laughed, but that's sadly perfect!

LOVE this thread .........

Good work, cosmicone.

[merrily]

78. Why do I sense that this thread did not go as cosmicone assumed?

Probably just my imagination (runnin' away with me).

[Eric J in MN]

77. LOL (NT)

NT

[SamKnause]

66. Hamburger vs steak.

Most people would rather have a filet mignon ???

I prefer a burger (no bun) made from ground round or ground sirlion. 92% lean/8% fat.

I like a big patty with a baked potato, cottage cheese, applesauce, and fresh tomato.

If I were going to eat steak, filet mignon is the only steak I would eat.

I don't like fat or bone so rib eyes and t-bones are out.

Bernie is not my fallback choice.

Bernie has always been my first choice.

I would be very pleased with Elizabeth as well.

[NCTraveler]

67. A lot of good discussion can come from your op.

The second choice over that of a recent republican really shows how he has become idealized and that its ABBC. We have also reached a point where Kucinich isn't carrying the flag for the group in our party who leans more left. When all is said and done I believe Sanders will pull around the same support as Kucinich in the primary. By the time the votes roll around all of the libertarians, isolationists, and Paul supporters will have gone back to the party they always support. You can already see the novelty aspect wearing thin.

[LWolf]

71. Pure bullshit.

Deep down inside, while I appreciate Warren, I was never pushing her to run.

I simply wanted a non-neo-liberal candidate to support and nominate. I would have been happy with ANY non-neo-liberal...and I said so repeatedly.

Sanders is the one who stepped forward, so he's got my support.

The bottom line? I won't support nor vote for a neo-liberal. Period.

Neo-liberals: dlc, centrist, 3rd way, "new democrat" or whatever other label they want to give themselves, are the soylent green of the Democratic Party.

I'll stick with authentic, home-grown, grass-roots food.

[SidDithers]

72. Many of them are not pro-Bernie, so much as anti-Hillary...

and they were anti-Obama before that.

Sid

[ibegurpard]

74. That was profound

Deep thinker eh?

[SidDithers]

75. Sorry it's not on the level of "canned meat product"...

I'll try to do better next time.

Sid

[HassleCat]

76. I guess it does not occur to you, but...

By describing the situation with Elizabeth Warren, you don't just put Sanders into the "fallback" or "Plan B" position, but Clinton as well. So why should we eat the Clinton hamburger instead of the Sanders or O'Malley hamburger?