It's Simple! Choosing a President Comes Down to: 'Who Can We Trust on the Issues'?

[sabrina 1]

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Setting aside all the Smear Campaigning, all the Paid-For Talking points, which are intended to distract voters from the real reasons for elections, in the end choosing who would be best to lead this country comes down to their RECORDS on major issues they were asked to take a stand on during their political careers.

Iow, Who Can We Trust to remain consistent on the Campaign Promises they will make during Campaign Season.

The best way to do that is to LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS!

It is a well known fact that Politicians will say whatever they think they need to say to get themselves elected.

Fortunately in this campaign all of the Democratic Candidates HAVE pretty long records for us to look at.

And without a doubt there is only ONE candidate whose record on major issues such as ......

Civil Rights, Social Justice, Foreign Interventions, Social Safety Nets, Trade Policies, Wall St Regulation, Health Care, The Money in Politics, the awful Welfare Reform Act and more

..... has remained consistent, and has been proven to be correct over the decades.

Which the ONLY reason why I support Bernie Sanders in this election!

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Edit: A small correction to that chart. Hillary changed her mind on Marijuana in Nov of this year!

I really don't see any difficulty in choosing who should be our next President when you focus only on the issues!

[cantbeserious]

1. And The Answer Is - The One - The Only - Bernie Sanders

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[Autumn]

2. I know who has earned my trust. Bernie has unwavering stood on the correct side of

the issues that matter to me.

[boston bean]

3. I 100% trust Hillary Clinton. nt

[Fred Sanders]

4. And I also trust her mentor, the one and only Obama. A deserved trust as those that trust in others

so what is there to disagree about?

Trust on the issues, supporting any of the 3 very fine candidate for the nominated candidate for
President of the Democratic Party and America, if not hastily given, is fine with me.

And none of the 3 candidates is unworthy of "trust". They have all earned the trust of their supporters for the number one position.

Nice to see we finally can agree, Sabrina.

[sabrina 1]

6. Well, there you go. Personalities don't matter to me, ISSUES are the topic of this OP.

[Fred Sanders]

7. "Who can we trust on the issues?" in your OP headline in all-caps is to the contrary.

If the OP is not about trust, what is it about?

May want to inform boston bean also.

[sabrina 1]

8. 'trust, ON THE ISSUES'. I don't just trust PEOPLE who are running for elected office no matter

much I may like them personally.

You mentioned only people. On what ISSUES do you trust Hillary, see the chart above and pick one on which you trust her NOT to change her mind, again?

[randys1]

28. Let me guess, the answer to their question is "not Hillary" ...i think I am getting the hang of

things around here.

As a BERNIE supporter, I disagree.

I think Bernie is more trustworthy, but both are VASTLY more trustworthy than the

oh fuck, what is the point anymore

[Fred Sanders]

33. If there is daylight on the "trust issue" on issues between our candidates, it is thin.

And compared to the enemy camp.....

oh, fuck, you are right, what IS the point?

[Bubzer]

50. What you call thin daylight, looks more like a cloudless sky with a blinding summer sun.

There's no shortage of trust issues with hillary... though her supporters keep trying to push the meme that she's the most, not least, trusted candidate running for the Democratic nomination.

Hillary Clinton Hits Lows on Favorability, Trustworthiness in Poll

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/27/clinton-hits-lows-on-favorability-trustworthiness-in-poll/

Poll: Clinton's honesty and trustworthy problem extends to swing states

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/politics/poll-2016-elections-hillary-clinton-trustworthy/

Can Hillary overcome the 'liar' factor?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-liar-factor-2016-213100

Hillary Clinton’s honesty problem just keeps getting worse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/yes-its-a-major-problem-that-two-thirds-of-voters-dont-think-hillary-clinton-is-honest-or-trustworthy/

Hillary Clinton: As honest and trustworthy as Donald Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/30/voters-want-someone-who-is-honest-and-trustworthy-in-2016-they-dont-think-thats-hillary-clinton/

Trump and Clinton are leading the polls even though most Americans don't trust them

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-trustworthy-honest-2015-7

[Ned_Devine]

49. Why does everyone get so down on headlines in caps? That's how it's done in the papers

[Hortensis]

11. Decent and balanced posts. None unworthy of trust. Yes!

[sabrina 1]

14. So, on which issues do you trust Hillary not to change her mind again after the election?

There is no doubt is there, that she has had to constantly admit to being wrong on issues, though most often when she is running for elected office.

Bernie has been as consistent as any politician I have ever seen on all the major issues of the past several decades.

[Hortensis]

19. Here's what I think is really behind so many of these posts.

It's one thing to feel doubt, to question, but a whole other to use expressions of doubt and questioning as continuous, unending floods of attacks. Incoming hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month.

This thread is one of literally dozens of examples in just the past few days. Same (GOP-generated and serving) theme that a candidate is untrustworthy, hit over and over and over again, not to get information but to weld the word "untrustworthy" to the name of the Democratic Part frontrunner.

“Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.” ― Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements



(BTW, there are an incredible number of sites, articles images, quotes, and cartoons on this Hillary serving Satan/as Satan theme.)

[Fred Sanders]

23. Yep. Since Obama turned out to be a bust as the anti-Christ it seems Clinton must be The One, to

those in the extreme right wing and religious extreme right wing.

[Hortensis]

26. Yes. :) I got distracted, though, by all the literal demonizing

of Hillary on the web.

The main point is what happens when zealots focus attention on someone in their way. The relentless, untiring hostility toward one, and only one, candidate on this forum is a classic example of it in action.

[HassleCat]

52. My doubt is real enough

I realize I'm going to be voting for Hillary Clinton next November, and I realize there's about an 80 percent chance she'll be our next president. And I realize there's about 100 percent chance she will abandon her current stand on at least one issue. She evolved one way, and she can just as easily evolve the other way. I prefer to vote for somebody who has a more consistent record on the issues, but I have to accept someone who seems to be on the right side of most issues right now, and hope things don't change too much. I have come to accept this, since it's what our party has given us for 30 years. I do get to complain about it, though, and I get to defend my motives, and I am not motivated by "Hillary Hatred."

[Hortensis]

55. Me too, Hasslecat. I'm not talking about people like you

with reasonable concerns and responsible behavior.

I'm talking about those who in an orgy of aggressive hostility are pitting themselves against the party's chances in 2016, and with them Bernie's goals also. I'd say they're sabotaging what they say they believe in themselves, but put those statements on one side of a scale and attacks on the party, Democrats, and Hillary on the other and side, and its clear their opposition to the democratic establishment and front runner outweighs all other concerns. In a major election year.

The next president will name at least 2 and as many as 4 justices to the Supreme Court. If that president is a Republican, we will not see the changes we want, that are within our reach now, in most of our lifetimes.

But that sort insists the Democratic Party is the enemy of their supposed goals.

[sabrina 1]

5. I don't! n/t

[RobertEarl]

29. I trust Hillary 100%

I trust that she will screw over the common person on her way to more riches and power.

I trust that Bernie will carefully weigh all the possibilities and will always do what he thinks is the right thing for the people, our future and the planet.

[hootinholler]

9. There is another important question here as well

Seems to me that "Who has values we can trust to deal with new issues?" should be in there somewhere too.

I wish Marriage Equality was stated slightly differently. The notion of Marriage Equality is relatively new and unheard of in the 70's.

[sabrina 1]

16. Yes, it's true that marriage equality is a relatively new issue, but once it became a serious issue

Hillary took the Conservative, 'religious' stand and retained it up to as late as two years ago.

Bernie's support for equal rights for gays goes all the way back to when he was Mayor of Burlington. When he is presented with an issue he believes has merit, he tends to see the merit and get behind it.

[hootinholler]

24. Oh I know

And I know that you know that I know, you know?

My point being that people who would attack that graphic have an in to dismiss actual history. If we had a better term like LGBT Equality it would be unassailable.

Nit pickers gonna pick nits.

[sabrina 1]

27. Lol, I do know and I know you know and I do agree with you, if I could I would edit the graphic.

I know they will jump on anything to try to make a 'point' or to distract!

[hootinholler]

30. Please don't do anything stoopud

I couldn't bear this place without your voice.

[Sheepshank]

10. It's not that simple, and there is much much more to consider

Those with linear thinking will destroy this country. Not just the constituency, but the politicians they follow.

Using polls you and your ilk despise and silly posters as a means to justify your candidate is extemely inane.

[sabrina 1]

17. 'you and your ilk'

Again with the personal attacks. Thanks for kicking the thread ....

[RobertEarl]

41. Now Sabrina

You and I both know they are hurting because Hillary is not winning over DU; Can't and never will.

So all they have is malarkey and personal attacks, and as true progressives we should tolerate their behavior and offer them a helping hand.

We should, but I can't. Maybe some can, but I no longer can coddle them and their cheapshots.

They are grown-ups and they must feel the Bern whenever they stick their hands on the hot stove of the Berning revolution!

[sabrina 1]

43. Lol, well true. If I had every advantage for promoting my candidate but couldn't make a dent

in the support for someone else, I might be a bit peeved. What I would do though, is wonder why with all I had going for me, I couldn't get a single person to change their minds, if anything, I seemed to be harming my candidate.

And then I would stop using whatever tactics I was using, such as attacking the supporters of other candidates, and start trying to explain why I was supporting my candidate.

But for whatever reason, that seems to be impossible for some of Hillary's supporters to do.

Maybe she's just hard to promote on the issues. I already knew that and that is why I support a candidate who is easy to support on the issues.

[RobertEarl]

44. Here's what I like about Hillary

She is a woman. I like that.

Past that I got nothing. She is just another in a long line of politicians who will say whatever they think will get them the most votes.

[99th_Monkey]

12. Issues, Shmissues!! B-O-R-I-N-G

We need more ugly & divisive, utterly baseless, insinuations hurled, in order to utterly destroy our
opponent & have a really entertaining Primary, a la Hunger Games.

Issues are only for wannabe wonks & sissies.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. Myself. I trust myself and my own thoughts on the issues...

The rest are politicians, telling me what they think I want to hear.

I don't hang out in GD rimaries (drawn over here by another stupid alert) for that reason. I fight a vicious war over "trusting" someone who doesn't give two hoots. I will vote for Bernie, but I only trust myself.

[CharlotteVale]

15. I can trust Bernie. Hillary lies like a rug.

[Demeter]

36. Or the Donald's Hair

Didn't he state that it wasn't a rug? I lost track...

[tokenlib]

18. With Hillary I see a "grand bargain" on Social Security on the horizon...

And all the millions of people with almost no retirement savings cannot afford that. For many of us, that is a deal breaker. We need expansion, not cuts.. But if you follow the money to Wall Street and the Third Way..and her evasive words on the issue.... Hillary is on the wrong side of this..

[sabrina 1]

20. And a raise in the Retirement Age, another right wing trick to cut SS benefits. She has more or less

said so recently, so long as someone 'can present' her with a plan that would exclude certain kinds of workers.

[Fred Sanders]

25. The "damn email" issue "retraction" is another pure corporate media theme and distortion.

Who says so? This guy:

TODD: Do you want to target Hillary Clinton?

SANDERS: Not at all. This is what I mean. Chuck, this is exactly media stuff. My views on Hillary Clinton's emails are exactly what I said in the debate and right after the debate. The American people are sick and tired of seeing on the front pages, emails. They want a real discussion on real issues.

There is an investigation ongoing. I have nothing to do with it. That's that. But my views on that have not changed. In terms of disagreeing with Hillary Clinton, yeah, I do on many, many issues. What I understand politics and elections to be about is to discuss differences of opinion. I intend to do that and do that vigorously. That does not mean that I'm making personal attacks against somebody I respect.

[Live and Learn]

31. And that has what to do with Social Security? nt

[Fred Sanders]

35. Link: because who can really be "trusted" anymore on the Internet?

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/bernie-sanders-focus-carsons-extreme

[Live and Learn]

42. And that has what to do with Social Security?

You responded to a post about Social Security. Did you respond to the wrong post?

[MisterP]

21. one's position on war shouldn't have an *expiry date*

[sabrina 1]

22. If you get it wrong on something as serious as taking the country to war, and then it takes you

more than a decade to figure out how wrong you were, far too late anyhow, for all those who died, I think that is about the worst 'mistake' a politician can make.

Especially if you don't learn from it and then support more wars, see Libya eg.

[Scuba]

56. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. 60% of Americans Think Hillary Clinton is Untrustworthy and Dishonest

The real interesting part of the latest Quinnipiac University National Poll, is not the fact that 60% of Americans think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, but that 40% of Americans don’t.


Clinton has the lowest rating for honesty as American voters say 60 - 36 percent she is not honest and trustworthy. Trump is not honest and trustworthy, voters say 58 - 38 percent.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2299

[Demeter]

38. Nixon taught generations about dishonesty

Most of us rejected it.

[Hydra]

40. It's really scary that She beats Mr. Hair out

But it's not as if she hasn't worked hard for that. It's a real shame, she was widely viewed as (and possibly was) a champion for the rights of ordinary people. She is still a woman of incredible talent and poise, but an advocate for the people who need no advocating.

[Live and Learn]

34. K&R nt

[azmom]

37. I'm ready for real change.

Enough of greedy politicians, who care about nothing but their legacies.

Bernie is the real deal.

[askew]

39. O'Malley.

On the issues that matter to me, O'Malley actions show that we can trust him:

Repealing Death Penalty - He ended death penalty in Maryland and commuted remaining death row prisoners to life in prison.
Immigration Reform - Passing DREAM Act, giving driver's licenses to undocumented Americans
Refugee Issues - Providing safe foster homes for the most Central American child refugees per capita.
Gun Control - Passed the strictest gun controls laws in the country making him NRA's #1 enemy.
Raising Minimum Wage - Raised Min. Wage to $10.10 in MD and has backed $15/hour campaign.
Environment - Created largest wind farm on Atlantic seaboard, made fracking regulations so tough that no company will do business in Maryland, cleaned up Chesapeake Bay, etc.
Voting Rights - Restored rights of ex-felons, expanded early voting, etc.
Education - Made Maryland's schools top in the country 5 years running by expanding funding for schools. Froze tuition at MD public schools for years.


O'Malley's shown that his positions aren't all just talk. He has achieved more progressive policy actions than either Hillary or Sanders by far.

[sabrina 1]

46. I would agree he has achieved more than Hillary and has been right on more issues

and more consistent. He is my second choice! Bernie however, has the longest, most consistent record on almost every important issue of the past number of decades.

O'Malley is taking corporate donations, and hasn't distanced himself from corporate funded Super Pacs.

The money in politics is now among the top issues for voters in this campaign.

According to both Biden and Bernie, strangely enough, we cannot get ANYTHING done until we first remove that money from our political process.

Bernie not only opposes it by talking about it, he is running his campaign on the issue AND again, Walking the Walk by refusing to take it.

[askew]

54. Bernie is my 2nd choice mainly because I can't trust Hillary on anything and think she

is unelectable. But, as a whole I prefer candidates with an actual record of getting things done not just talking about it. Bernie has done more good than Hillary but it is a pretty low bar IMO. Being right about an issue and not actually getting anything done about it isn't all that impressive. I do applaud Bernie for his work on improving the ACA before it passed and his recent work on the VA issues.

[retired rooster]

45. or who gets caught in the fewest lies.

[Indepatriot]

47. We can trust Hillary.

To do what's best.... for Wall Street.

[sabrina 1]

51. And to give credit where it's due, it's possible she actually believes that

policies such as Reagan's eg, actually are better for the country.

I have no idea why she has consistently supported conservative policies, all I can say is, she has been so wrong and there has been plenty of time to see those policies played out so disastrously for so many people, unfortunately.

[Enthusiast]

48. Kicked and recommended!

Yay, Bernie!!

[PatrickforO]

53. Well, you're right, Sabrina. No other candidate can hold a candle to Bernie

on the issues I care about. That's for sure.

[gwheezie]

57. I trust Hillary

Part of my process to pick someone to vote for in presidential elections is how will they react to the thing no one sees coming. I believe Hillary has the best characteristics to handle that crisis.

[Hepburn]

58. I do not trust Hillary. PERIOD

She is an opportunist and out for herself. Yes, I will have to vote for her if she is the nominee, but it will make me ill to do so. There are two far superior choices running -- Bernie and MOM. Why in the world would we pick someone as far right and bonded with the 1% as if Hillary. Shame on us if we do.

[moobu2]

59. Bernie is too ideologically rigid and unchanging

to be POTUS.