As a woman I'd love to see a woman President, but not just any woman. Vote by person, not by gender

[Playinghardball]

ToastyPoptart ?@LollipopCrumbs · 5h5 hours ago
As a woman I'd love to see a woman President, but not just any woman. Vote by person, not by gender. #feelthebern

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. So Sanders not only changed parties today?

[UglyGreed]

2. K/R

[think]

3. Sanders/Warren 2016

[pnwmom]

41. Hillary Clinton isn't just any woman. She's the former Senator of NY and S.o.S. n/t

[think]

49. Who voted for the Iraq war, The Patriot Act, and has bank lobbyists on her campaign staff

Not my cup of tea.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. Not to mention Henry Kissinger's protege

[think]

58. Yep. Honduras comes to mind..

[Art_from_Ark]

60. And the Gaddafi affair

is reminiscent of what happened to Salvador Allende

[Admiral Loinpresser]

96. And demanding fracking in Eastern Europe. n/t

[pnwmom]

52. She voted for the IWR with conditions that Bush violated by going to war

without UN approval.

She didn't vote for what Bush did -- and neither did Kerry or Biden, when they approved the conditional IWR.

[think]

55. Bernie knew better than to vote for that shit. Hillary was either naive or complicit

You choose.

And the lobbyists are another huge can of worms

[pnwmom]

61. And yet he didn't know better than to vote for the NRA shit

when he voted against the Brady bill and for the bill that exempted gun manufacturers and sellers from state liability laws.

No candidate is perfect.

[think]

69. The Iraq war is no way comparable to a gun vote before mass shootings became the norm

And Bernie voted for many gun control bills since that time.

The Iraq war was a huge human tragedy of epic proportions that was completely avoidable. Iraq never attacked us. It was a war of choice.

And still you ignore those pesky lobbyists for the banks that were at the heart of the great recession. Banks with long sordid histories of violating US laws, rigging markets, and bilking the American people for billions.

[Scootaloo]

72. She voted against the Levin amendment

Said amendment contained language to require the president not only engage in diplomacy first, but also come to congress for a vote before going to war.

And then there's the lot of us - including yourself, I'm sure - who understood from the get-go that the Bush Administration would not engage in diplomacy, and that the AUMF was nothing but a flim-flam to provide a fig leaf for what bush wanted to do anyway. What everyone in the fucking nation knew he was going to do anyway. Did Clinton not understand this?

She also stood in front of the senate and repeated each and every lie, verbatim, as a reason for her yea vote. Saddam is harboring al-Qaeda. Saddam is seeking nuclear weapons. Saddam is increasing his biological weapons capacity and is upgrading his missiles. Every. Damn. Lie. She clearly, resolutely believed every word the administration said.

And now over a million people are dead. Millions more have had their lives ruined. Still more are suffering the devastation of the political and social aftershocks.

[Vattel]

91. That's false. The IWR didn't require Bush to get UN approval.

When the invasion occurred, she didn't claim that he had violated the terms of the IWR. Months later her only complaint was that Bush had not adequately prepared for the aftermath of the invasion.

[pnwmom]

92. According to the IWR, Bush was supposed to be enforcing the UN resolutions. If he had done that,

and not lied, there would have been no war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x169732

[rhett o rick]

95. If it happened as you say, then why didn't she speak out? She knew that there was nothing

stopping Bush and Cheney from invading Iraq. In her speech to the Senate she tried to convince others to put their faith behind the lying Republicons. Either Bush fooled her or she agreed with the invasion, either way she lost her credibility.

Why vote for her with a huge question about her integrity when you can vote for someone that wasn't fooled by Georgie Bush?

And did Georgie trick her into supporting the Patriot Act also?

[Thinkingabout]

4. I am not supporting Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. She is the most qualified candidate

Running for the presidency in either party. Also, I would not support other candidates just because they are males.

[TheProgressive]

9. Qualified?

How so?

And, aren't policies and issue positions more important?

[Thinkingabout]

11. One can have all the issues in world and without the ability to understand the position and

Understand how to interact with other nations they would be limited. No, it takes much more than issues.

[TheProgressive]

17. So, you did not vote for Obama?

[JaneyVee]

14. Bernie has no policy.

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified. She has excoriated foreign governments about human rights abuses to their faces in their own countries and has spread diplomacy and philanthropy around the globe. She has been voted most admired woman in the world 14x. She hast vast knowledge on a wide range of global and domestic issues, and is remarkable at building coalitions. And she's a proud Democrat with experience of putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes.

[LiberalArkie]

5. My all-time favorite for the first woman president would have been Ann Richards or Mollie Ivans.

[saturnsring]

6. i am. iam voting for the most qualified who happens to be a woman and actually has a chance

at winning the white house

[bravenak]

7. For a woman to be president she must be better than ALL other men presidents ever.

Not just any woman! Bush was just any man, but he was a man, so it was okay. She is far better than he, and we survived him, kinda, but her, we must have perfection. So let us use women saying things about how not just any woman will do, implying that sure, we'd like a woman, but only the best one ever, while we never did that when it was two men running. That way, nobody can say it is sexist, cause look. It is a woman saying these things. Then if the woman brings up the fact that she is a woman, let us accuse her of playing the 'gender card'.

[JaneyVee]

16. I love you.

[bravenak]

23. Ditto. They stress me out. Srsly.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. Can I squeeze in??

[JaneyVee]

31. Group hug!

[bravenak]

46. Come on in!

[randys1]

32. Bravenak for President!

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. Second the nomination

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

37. Well said n/t

[pnwmom]

42. Exactly-- like we've ever had a perfect male President. And as if Hillary was "just any woman." n/t

[retrowire]

47. buuuut

no one ever said she had to be perfect. you alone are the only one that stretched it that far to make this little rant.

[bravenak]

48. Ummmm hmmmmmmm.

[stupidicus]

75. yep, some are great at beating up the strawmen they create

reality, not so much

[retrowire]

76. Yep. n/t

[Skidmore]

68. Indeed.

Well spoken.

[Starry Messenger]

79. Nailed it!!!

[Nonhlanhla]

8. I don't have a candidate yet...

...but Hillary is not "just any woman." She is a very accomplished woman, and more qualified for the presidency than pretty much anyone in the field.

[TheProgressive]

10. Define 'more qualified'...

[Thinkingabout]

12. Maybe some research into what qualities needed by a president would be beneficial before voting.

[TheProgressive]

19. Maybe, just maybe, 'being qualified' is...

...subjective...

There is more to being president than being SOS for 4 years...

[Thinkingabout]

24. There is more to being a president with the qualifications of George W Bush.

If being in congress makes one qualified then Secretary Clinton was also Senator Clinton. Where is Senator Sanders time as SOS?

[TheProgressive]

25. So, you are basing your entire candidate vote on Clinton because she was SOS?

Once again, there is more to being president...

[Thinkingabout]

57. I don't need my post rewritten to fit your facts. If are basing qualifications on being a

Congressional member then this is nit enough. A SOS is on the presidents cabinet.

[jeff47]

64. So was HW Bush the best president ever?

Congressman, UN Ambassador, Envoy to China, CIA Director and VP before he was elected. Surely all those qualifications made him great at the job, right?

[passiveporcupine]

84. Bernie has never been first lady

Of the 43 people who have served as President *because Grover Cleveland served two times nonconsecutively*...

26 Presidents had previously been lawyers

22 Presidents had previous military experience; 9 were Generals in the US Army[2]

18 Presidents previously served as U.S. Representatives; 6 of 18 held this office prior to the four 'previous positions' shown in this table. Only one - James A. Garfield - was a Representative immediately before election as President. Only one ex-president, John Quincy Adams, ever served as a U.S. Representative.

17 Presidents previously served as state Governors; 9 of 17 were Governors immediately before election as President.

16 Presidents previously served as U.S. Senators; only 3 immediately before election as President.

14 Presidents previously served as Vice-President. All except Nixon were VP immediately before election as President; 9 of the 14 succeeded to the Presidency because of the death or resignation of the elected President; 5 of those 9 were not re-elected.

8 Presidents were out of office (for at least one year) immediately before election as President.

8 Presidents previously served as Cabinet Secretaries; 6 as Secretary of State; 5 of the 8 served immediately before election as President.

7 Presidents had previous experience in foreign service.[3]

7 Presidents came from the state of Ohio; 6 from New York (7 if Grover Cleveland is counted twice);[4] 5 from Virginia (5 of the first 10, but none since); 4 from Massachusetts; 3 each from the states of Tennessee, California, and Texas; 2 from Illinois. Presidents have come from 10 other states, 18 different states in all.

5 Presidents were family relations of other presidents: Adams (#2 & #6), Harrison (#9 & #23), Taylor (2nd cousin of Madison), Roosevelt (#36 & #32) and Bush (#41 & #43).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_previous_experience

Seems more governors have become President than Secretaries of State have become President.

I will giver her one bonus...Bernie has never been first lady of anything.

[Thinkingabout]

85. Appears we need to go away from the status quo and elect the first female president. Based on

Her qualifications she is more qualified than the other presidential candidates.

[passiveporcupine]

86. I see

So working on the President's cabinet is "more qualified" than actually governing something as big as a state? Lots of people have worked for Presidents, and held cabinet positions. Does that make them eminently superior and more qualified to be POTUS than anyone else? If that is true, maybe it needs to be made a requirement?

[Thinkingabout]

89. In this case of comparing Clinton's qualifications to the other presidential candidates she is the

Most qualified.

[Karma13612]

90. That is your opinion.

I believe good judgement is crucial for being qualified to be leader of the free world.

Hillary has proven herself to make bad choices on many occasions.
And she-n-hubbie seem to be in a perpetual state of defending one controversy after another.

No more Clintons in the WH, please.

[JaneyVee]

13. Here:

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified. She has excoriated foreign governments about human rights abuses to their faces in their own countries and has spread diplomacy and philanthropy around the globe. She has been voted most admired woman in the world 14x. She hast vast knowledge on a wide range of global and domestic issues, and is remarkable at building coalitions. And she's a proud Democrat with experience of putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes.

[Nonhlanhla]

18. Experience and intelligence

Hillary has a lot of experience and she knows her stuff. That makes her qualified. I do not always agree with her, but she is qualified.

Bernie is qualified too, so relax. Although I think Hillary is more qualified on foreign affairs. Bernie seems to be more like an old-school bread-and-butter Democrat. Hillary is obviously more corporatist and hawkish. But that does not mean that she's not whip smart or experienced.

Both are imminently more qualified than the entire GOP clown car combined.

And Hillary is still not "just any woman." Agree with her or not, but she's qualified.

[TheProgressive]

21. Being 'qualified' is subjective...

[Nonhlanhla]

53. No

I don't think being qualified is subjective. Agreement with a candidate is subjective. But someone who is both experienced and well-informed is so even if we don't agree. And I think Hillary has shown that she is both, whether one likes her or not.

[TheProgressive]

54. Okey dokey...

[passiveporcupine]

88. She may be whip-smart and experienced,

And she is certainly qualified, but for what? For moving this country forward on progressive ideas, or on supporting Wall Street and big corporations?

Being qualified is definitely subjective.

[whathehell]

15. I would love to have voted for Elizabeth Warren, but I'm voting for Bernie for his policies

and what I see as his honorable and trustworthy stance on accepting no corporate funds.

I trust him.

[TheProgressive]

22. Yes, I trust Sanders as well...

I have Zero trust in Clinton...

[whathehell]

27. I have more trust in her than in any Repuke..

especially in regard to a Supreme Court pick. I do think we should all vote

for the nominee, even if it's disappointing. Bernie is and WILL have an impact,

I believe, whether he wins the nom or not.

[JaneyVee]

20. Bernie fans go for divide and conquer.

More evidence of a desperate flailing campaign. Gonna be fun seeing these dumb memes get evaporated when Bernie endorses and campaigns for HRC.

[CheshireDog]

26. The idea that anyone supports Hillary for her gender only

...is so offensive to the intelligence of women. It is no different than posting during 2008 that blacks supporting Obama for his skin color shouldn't do so.

Don't reduce peoples preferences to some petty demographic choice. The vast majority of voters, especially DU voters, research a lot more about their candidates than what genitalia they have. We Hillary supporters support her because we trust her to do the best job, plain and simple.

Grow up.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. EXACTLY!!!!

Tone deaf!

[JaneyVee]

33. Nailed it.

[UglyGreed]

38. Problem is that

Hillary stated at the debate she is an outsider due to the fact that she is a women. But of course all of the supporters forget that part...............

[pnwmom]

44. In the US race for President, she IS an outsider as a woman. By definition.

No woman has ever held the office. Until one does, let's not pretend any woman is an insider.

[UglyGreed]

56. She is different than Obama

because she is a woman, like we all did not realize that fact. Please be let's be real here, I'm pretty sure we all understand that Hillary is woman but that has nothing to do with being a competent POTUS nor a valid reason to vote for her. IMO It's like voting for Bernie because he is a secular Jew, it makes no sense to me at all.

[pnwmom]

59. No one is saying that ANY woman should be President. But she is NOT any woman.

Imagine if people had said that about Obama -- that you shouldn't vote just for "any black man." As if Obama, the Senator from Illinois and constitutional scholar, was "any black man."

The racism would have been obvious.

Well, it's the same thing when people call the former Secretary of State and NY Senator "any woman." The sexism is blatant.

[UglyGreed]

67. Hillary said on Ellen

Don't vote for me because I'm a woman BUT if you vote on merits one of my merits is that I am a woman...... I don't know what to make of that statement. Sounds like double speak to me, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Art_from_Ark]

62. She's no outsider

She's very much part of an inside machine.

[pnwmom]

63. No woman has ever been President. That door has always been closed.

And until it opens, no woman is an insider.

[Art_from_Ark]

65. How can you possibly call someone who was a Senator, a Secretary of State,

and the wife of a president who was involved with his politics, an OUTSIDER? Really, she is part of the Democratic machine, and has been a part of it for decades.

[cwydro]

39. Welcome to DU Cheshire Dog.

[jeff47]

97. Ahem...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772632

[Skinner]

30. Silly women!

The only reason you support Clinton is because she's a girl!

(/sarcasm)

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. Hahaha...

I almost called it sexist....but they would have hidden it!

[still_one]

35. What a stupid premise, implying that women would only vote for Hillary because she is a woman.

The implication is demeaning to women as though they have no independent thought process if they vote for Hillary.

People can and will vote for the person they believe can do the job regardless of race, gender, or other demographic

[moobu2]

40. This is so sexist.

can you imagine if the words black were replaced with woman. Wow.

[pnwmom]

45. And if the black man had been Senator and Secretary of State -- and they had the nerve

to call him "just any black man."

[tishaLA]

81. Remember: He was an "inadequate black male"

according to that crazy PUMA back in the day. Got her lots of appearances on FOX


ETA: Harriet Christian. Had to look her name up.

[Ned_Devine]

43. I love how HRC supporters just take over these threads...

...with their tales from bullshit mountain. Try doing that in one of their threads and they go and tell the teacher on you.

[PowerToThePeople]

70. Yup

[pinebox]

74. But don't ya know!

[SunSeeker]

83. Right, I mean what do those Hillary supporters think this is, a public discussion board?!

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

50. As a woman, that's exactly how I see it... well done!

...the first one nails it (as a woman, that's exactly how I see it).
Thank you for sharing these...

[SoapBox]

66. So why is she always talking, talking, talking woman, daughter, mother, grandmother...

and being a "pantsuit aficionado"?

It's been a focal point of her campaign.

Soooo...Remember, vote for the person, not the gender.

[Initech]

71. I'd personally much rather see Elizabeth Warren over Hillary Clinton.

[Beacool]

73. Well, isn't that special?

I guess all women who are Hillary supporters just want a woman president and are too dumb to care about said woman's politics? That might be why we have VP Sarah Palin. Oops, no we don't.

Any other condescending gems from the Sanders' campaign?

[stupidicus]

77. yep, that's been pov of my 7 sisters almost from the beginning

starting the last time she ran.

[BootinUp]

78. Somehow I don't think these posters will be a big hit

as far as attracting new voters for Bernie

[zentrum]

80. Count me as another

……woman for Sanders! As are all the women in my family of several generations.

Thatcher was a woman, and a Reaganomics Trojan Horse for England.

[SunSeeker]

82. No, "ToastyPoptart," women are not voting for Hillary just because she is a woman.

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If that was the case, Carly Fiorina would be sitting at 50% in the polls instead of the single digits.

Hillary is not just "any woman," she is the best candidate out there.

Your post is a sexist insult to women. The 50s motif in the graphic is quite appropriate.

[kenn3d]

93. The question is as heavy as stone...

To keep it light:

I do not know a single person who would not vote for a candidate because she was a woman.
But here's the version with some pretty good reasons not to vote for this woman.

[CharlotteVale]

94. K&R

[arikara]

98. In a perfect world gender, race or orientation wouldn't matter

in a perfect world, if the candidate is a warmonger they simply wouldn't be considered for the top position.
The professions of lawyer and economist would not be considered either, those have caused way too much damage to the world over the decades. I kind of think those professions are top heavy with psychopaths.

[Enthusiast]

99. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!