Words Used to Describe Hillary Clinton by Her Opponents.

[MineralMan]

Loud - http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump--hillary-has-become-loud-and-obnoxious-531402307638
Obnoxious - http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump--hillary-has-become-loud-and-obnoxious-531402307638
Shrill - http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/24/so-now-its-offensive-to-call-hillary-shrill/
Rude - http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424927/hillary-clinton-secret-service-treatment-abuse
Bitchy - http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/democratic-voter-focus-group-hillary-bitchy
Man-Hater - https://twitter.com/hardline_stance/status/651747088791941120
Ball-Breaker - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1886972/posts (you can buy Hillary nutcrackers, too)
Mannish - http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/28/cpac-speaker-zings-hillarys-mannish-pantsuits/
Harridan - http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/xxfactor_xxtra/2008/08/the_madwoman_in_the_blogosphere.html
Crone - http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2015/10/19/can-any-republican-defeat-ancient-socialist-crone-hillary-clinton-n2067428/page/full
Fishwife - http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?2459101-Trump-looks-at-Hillary-and-is-LAUGHING-!!
Witch - http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/02/hillary-clinton-a-6th-level-illuminati-witch-sadistic-monarch-slave-handler-2897540.html
Tranny - http://www.topix.com/forum/city/pikeville-ky/T171Q364S72K5PJPK

There's more. Any sexist name you can think of, you'll find it attached to Hillary Clinton at fairly prominent links. And people try to pretend there isn't a sexist component to opposition to her. Feh!

[ibegurpard]

1. I've not seen any of those here.

Untrustworthy? Yeah I'll stand behind that.

[boston bean]

4. Crone Ive seen here.

Don't ask me for a link. I'm not digging for them.

[MineralMan]

5. You haven't? Here:

Mannish - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5329203
Crone - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1051&pid=1960
Man-hater - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=120982&mesg_id=121036
Bitch - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5545794


Do you want me to go on? There is a search tool at the top of this page that lets you look up Hillary with any word on my list. I'm not going to search for them all. Help yourself.

[frylock]

9. All of those links, with the exception of one, are from DU2..

and no, people aren't trying to "pretend there isn't a sexist component to opposition to her." People are dropping the bullshit flag on the implication that Sanders' comment about shouting was inherently sexist. Better luck tomorrow.

[MineralMan]

12. DU2 is still DU.

I was there. Many of us were there. The continuity still exists.

[frylock]

23. But only with the supporters, and not the candidate..

as we know, bringing up past statements of Hillary's is considered to be an attack.

[Cleita]

84. On your first link the poster was tombstoned. So even if it was posted on DU, it appears the

poster was a troll. That leaves you with three. The last one was an apology for calling her that name, which frankly I don't find offensive if used against me. I like dogs, especially a female one that protects her puppies, and don't mind the comparison. So that's two, one from a poster with less that 1500 posts and who seems to have not participated on DU for a very long time. So that leaves one that still posts on DU. The word is crone, which is a word for an old woman and actually a goddess, part of the triple goddess of Maiden, Mother and Crone, the three stages of life women go through, but if you find the word offensive, well you are a man I assume.

[Florencenj2point0]

198. Shrill......

right here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3435076 from an Obama supporter who then apologizes, claims not to have understood the sexist connotation and goes on to say, that Hillary's voice is irritating..... oy, I guess it is if you think women talking sounds like shouting.

[mcar]

18. We've certainly seen shrill here

[George II]

165. Was Wall Street whore in that list? It was used back in the spring, alerted upon.......

....and of course survived a jury.

[Mass]

2. Does any of those refer to a Democrat?

Honest question. I do not have the time to read this, but I notice most of those are RW sites and the threads I saw where attacks on Sanders. I have no doubt some of the attacks on her are sexist, but none of those I saw referred to on DU were.

[MineralMan]

6. See my #5.

I didn't say DU, in the first place. I said "her opponents."

Sexist name calling is part and parcel of opposition to her. I just searched Google. I wasn't looking for DU references.

You can do that if you like, though.

[Mass]

15. So, some people we know nothing about

except they define themselves as Democrats in a focus group by Halperin are sexist (including women). OK, though I am not sure condescending is sexist, and it is worth noting the person who said bitchy (which is sexist) is a woman.

Still, I have never seen anybody on DU say that no Democrat was sexist. I may have missed the threads who said that, but the threads I answered saying that it was not sexist were all related to Sanders. So, I am unsure what your post was related with.

I am from MA and have seen sexist Democrats voting for Baker rather than Coakley, so you do not have to convince me some Dems are sexist, but I am unsure how it relates to posts I have seen on DU. I may have missed them though.

[MineralMan]

19. I only mentioned "her opponents."

I was not party specific in any way. That's a different search. I didn't do that search. I could, I suppose. I'm betting I could find plenty of examples. Hillary Clinton has opponents everywhere, and they attack her as they can.

[stillwaiting]

213. You knew darn well what reaction you were going to get by posting this OP with the political

issues that we are currently dealing with between the campaigns.

Your feigned ignorance is so ridiculous. Too cute by half.

Stir, stir, stir that pot.

[LoveIsNow]

53. "Bitchy"

Was said by a woman in a Democratic focus group.

[Vattel]

3. Who tries to pretend that no opposition to Clinton is sexist? Are you talking about repubs?

[MineralMan]

7. See my #5 and do your own searching on DU.

I did a few and found them all. You can peruse for yourself.

[Vattel]

13. Fail. Only one of those posts suggests that she is not a victim of sexism.

And it is very old. You can find a few people crazy enough to defend any view. I don't see why that warrants your remark about people pretending that no opposition to Clinton is sexist.

[frylock]

11. 3 out of 4 of those links are from DU2.

[leftofcool]

8. You didn't link to any here on DU

[MineralMan]

16. No, I did not. That was not my point.

I'm sure I could find some here, as well, most from the 2008 campaign. Anti-Hillary sentiments have a long history here. Many of the words used in conjunction with her name by "her opponents" are sexist in nature. I referred to "her opponents" in a general sense, not by party. But, I've seen many sexist descriptions of her, here.

There's a search tool up at the right corner of this page. Try it. Just type in Hillary and the word in question. I didn't do that, because I was looking for her opponents using those words. I don't think I mentioned DU in the OP. That's because I wasn't talking about DU, just her opponents.

[whatchamacallit]

21. Yes, some of the worst offenders from then

are now strident supporters. So...

[frylock]

56. They don't like to acknowledge that.

[whatchamacallit]

62. Yup

I can see why.

[Mnpaul]

132. so.... it must be a whine from the ignored Hillary supporters

Not my words

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6017420&mesg_id=6018329

[Indepatriot]

10. You forgot.

WEATHER VANE
WAR HAWK
WALL STREET
POLL-DRIVEN
PRO DEATH PENALTY
OPPORTUNISTIC
THIRD WAY
ONE PERCENTER

and lots more, but I've got work to do....

[whatchamacallit]

14. Yes, but none of those are gender specific

I believe that's where the OP was trying to go.

[Florencenj2point0]

200. what? No male candidate is referred to as shrill, loud etc....

and no male candidate is called a bitch or a cunt or told to stop shouting for that matter.

[Doctor_J]

22. I don't see any sexist epithet there.

Did you reply in the wrong thread?

[sheshe2]

185. Well of course you don't.

Star Member stevenleser (26,364 posts)
153. Did you read EarlG's banning statement? It's crystal clear.

"Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not."



No one was fooled by NYC_SKP's post:

NYC_SKP
55. Welcome to DU, Feel the Bern! And yes, it's a Cunning Stunt!

I say that to myself every day, over an over.

It can be a tongue twister!

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- http://steveleser.blogspot.com/ - http://www.facebook.com/MakingSenseWithSteve

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026782193#post153

[arcane1]

30. Those are all true n/t

[dorkzilla]

72. +1

Truth sucks sometimes...

[mcar]

17. Thank you MM

Nothing more should be said.

[NCTraveler]

20. I said yesterday....

That I fully understand why Sanders supporters would take offense and aggressively defend Sanders and themselves. I think the jab between Clinton and Sanders was very minor. This campaign season has just been that polite. Then a short time later someone connected to his campaign said something offensive. I still won't call it sexist. There was a clear attachment to Sanders yet I don't think it is reflective of Sanders himself or his supporters. I would take some of the charges over the last day pretty personal myself.

At the same time, can you blame any Hillary supporter for being on guard in this area. That includes myself. Much of that part of what she goes through is why I not only support her as a politician, but as a strong woman and role model as well. She just keeps going with her head up every single day.

[MineralMan]

24. She does proceed with her head up.

She is a strong, confident person. That's just what we need as President. She brooks no nonsense, another attribute of a good President.

I support her. She will be our President in 2017. I'm ready for Hillary.

[Doctor_J]

25. blame them for being on guard? no. blame them for making stuff up?

Yes

[Rose Siding]

26. At least now Sanders calls his campaign's comments "inappropriate"

WP:

Sanders calls his campaign manager’s Clinton VP comments ‘inappropriate’
snip>
Responding on Thursday to host Thomas Roberts on MSNBC, Sanders said of Weaver’s comments: “I think that every campaign has statements come out which are inappropriate. That was inappropriate.”

Sanders has been fending off suggestions of sexism from Clinton boosters since late last week, when Clinton took issue with one of Sanders’s comments on gun control from the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas. Sanders said that he favors sensible solutions to reduce violence but told Clinton that “all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I hope all of us want.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/29/sanders-calls-his-campaign-managers-clinton-vp-comments-inappropriate/

So that happened.

[Autumn]

29. That disappoints me. I liked that comment.

Will Hillary come out and say that her supporters accusing him of being sexist is inappropriate?

[Thinkingabout]

33. Where did she accuse him of being sexists?

[Autumn]

37. Read my post again please.

her supporters.

[Thinkingabout]

40. Why should her supporters apologize for for Sanders inappropriate remark?

[Autumn]

44. His remarks weren't inappropriate. Nor were they sexist as her supporters claim

As a Senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing.

Nothing sexist about that.

[Thinkingabout]

47. See post #26.

[Autumn]

50. Your point? I'm talking about Bernie being accused of sexism by Hillary supporters

Hillary wasn't shouting, Bernie didn't accuse her of shouting. Bernie responded to her talking about gun control. Bernie addressed the tone of the gun control debate when he used the word shouting.
Bernie said his campaign manager’s Clinton VP comments were ‘inappropriate’. I personally found that comment hilarious.
Hillary and her supporters are accusing Bernie of being sexist by saying he inferred she was yelling . He was not. Will Hillary come out and say that her and her supporters accusing him of being sexist is ‘inappropriate’ ? I doubt it. But that shows Bernie is the better person.

[Thinkingabout]

55. I am not trying to rewrite facts, I don't see a need to continue to post about this situation over

And over. Sanders has said inappropriate remarks have been made, that be enough without bringing this up again, I dont think Sanders needs to continue to face this.

[Florencenj2point0]

201. yes it is sexist.... telling a woman not to shout is sexist

as if women are supposed to always talk in soft tones, but that's Bernie, he never could stand women telling him anything he didn't want to hear. And who is he to tell anyone not to shout, it is the only volume he has.

[Autumn]

204. You got a link to Bernie telling her not to shout? Take your time I'll wait for you to find it.

[AgingAmerican]

230. Crybabyism

This is an election. If she can't handle even the mildest critique, she shouldn't be running.

[Autumn]

27. You won't find any instance of Bernie attaching any sexist name names to her or any woman.

It's stupid for people to pretend Bernie was talking about her tone of voice and not the tone of the gun debate. Feh indeed!

[SunSeeker]

32. He addressed her by name. He did not say "gun debaters."

If that is what he meant, then he should say sorry, I should not have addressed it to "Secretary Clinton" but to "gun control debaters."

But even then, that would be a put down of gun control proponents, who have not been "shouting" but have been utterly reasonable, unlike the NRA and gun nuts.

[Autumn]

36. Keep trying.

As a Senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing.

She had talked about him and he responded to her

Are you saying that Hillary shouts that much? All the shouting in the world. Yeah right. That IMO was addressing all the shouting from gun control proponents, the NRA and gun nuts. Read the gun forum here, none of them are really reasonable, most of those discussions get heated which is why discussion of guns is only allowed in the main forums during high profile events.

[SunSeeker]

49. What part of "I can tell Secretary Clinton..." do you not understand? nt

[Autumn]

51. Which part of he was addressing her comments do YOU not understand? She was not yelling,

why would he accuse her of yelling if she wan't yelling? He was talking about the tone of the gun debate. I think we are done with this. Bye.

[SunSeeker]

52. "She was not yelling, why would he accuse her of yelling if she wasn't yelling?"

Precisely my point.

[thesquanderer]

93. Right, she wasn't shouting.

from
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html (including links)

Let’s be clear: This isn’t what happened. During the debate exchange, Sanders answered O’Malley with the same point about “raising our voices.” Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone.

His point is simply that people on both sides of the gun issues have been shouting for years instead of working to find common ground.

[arcane1]

122. Thank you!!

[Autumn]

127. Great links proving the "shouting" wasn't directed at her.

Thank you.

[SunSeeker]

151. And yet he addressed "Secretary Clinton" by name, not "people on both sides."

He directed his remark to her. Odd choice of words if he meant other people.

[JimDandy]

182. Actually, it would be odd NOT to

reference the person by name, to provide context, when the answer is relayed through a third party (reporter).

What IS odd is the doofus in her camp who came up with this certainly never vetted it widely in camp. If he had, her team would have quickly found these similar remarks Sanders made to others through out this campaign season and would have realized immediately that they wouldn't get away with trying to pretzel that sound bite into a sexist remark. Political campaigns are usually more saavy then this. That doofus has probably already been shunted to her campaign's back rooms.

[SunSeeker]

187. If he was addressing other people, he should not have addressed Clinton by name. nt

[thesquanderer]

203. The fact that he was addressing his response TO her...

...does not have to mean he was talking ABOUT her.

Really, for the people who are seeing sexism in his statement, do you think it matters that he said

"what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want"

rather than

"what I can tell you, Anderson, is that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want"

?

That would have been an equally viable response, but nobody would have seen that as an accusation that the moderator had been shouting, right? So who it is addressed to is really besides the point.

Another point... I would say he didn't even use the word "shouting" literally, in ANY of the many times he has used it and similar words (yelling, screaming, raising voices... see my post #93), because even when you hear people taking their extreme positions (say, Wayne LaPierre) they are not typically literally shouting. There is a figurative use of these phrases, that simply implies people are speaking without listening, that they are more interested in making their points rather than in trying to solve the problem. So let's say that he actually did mean to specifically include Clinton and O'Malley among those he was talking about (remember, he said basically the same thing in response to O'Malley as well), it would logically be in this respect, since, of course, neither of them were literally yelling about the topic. And I think that is a fair reading, too... in this respect, not literally accusing Hillary of shouting, but perhaps including her among that group who he feels is more interested in making political points than in solving the problem... or at least, within the context of the answer she had just given. But that, too, would not be sexist.

Either way, the fact that he said basically the same thing to O'Malley should prove that his perpsective wasn't sexist (if you think such proof is really needed).

His response to O'Malley: "But here is the point, Governor. We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states..."

His response to Clinton: "As a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to..."

So:
To O'Malley, he is saying: we can raise our voices, but it won't accomplish anything.
To Clinton he is saying: all the shouting in the world won't accomplish anything.

He gave her the same answer he had just given him. Suddenly it's sexist?

So there are multiple angles from which this accusation just doesn't hold water, i.e. regardless of whether or not you think he was intending to include HRC among the "shouters."

(and the thought obviously wasn't being addressed only at HRC, as he had used the same line many times, including in response to O'Malley just moments before)

[SunSeeker]

214. Interesting point.

So when responding to O'Malley's gun control comments Sanders said O'Malley was "raising his voice." But when it came to the woman on the stage, Sanders said she was "shouting." Those are not the same thing. One is much more of a pejorative, and he chose that one for the woman. Interesting.

[frylock]

57. that all THE shouting, not all YOUR or all HER shouting

[SunSeeker]

156. He used her actual named instead of "your." nt

[merrily]

166. Imagine that. He addressed her by her correct name and title. Why, I ougghtta...

He's said that same thing for years--that people shouting at each other about gun control doesn't get anywhere or fix anything--but "of course" when he repeats it to her, it becomes sexist.

Give me a damned break.

[sheshe2]

174. Well....

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut
He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

[merrily]

175. Untrue and a non sequitur, but keep trying! You're bound to nail it soon or later. Law of averages.

[sheshe2]

181. Untrue?

Prove it.

Link me to the truth, it will save my soul.

[thesquanderer]

243. What is untrue - or at least opinion rather than fact - is...

...that the bill in question was actually "the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory. "

He did vote against the bill that would let victims of gun violence sue gun manufacturers, which is the bill that opinion piece is talking about. No one is disputing that he voted against that bill, and it is fine to disagree with him on that vote. It does not mean he's against gun control. He has voted for numerous other gun control measures. The highest rating the NRA has ever given him is D-.

[SunSeeker]

177. Then he should have addressed the people he was talking about instead of "Secretary Clinton." nt

[merrily]

192. One addresses the person TO whom one is speaking, not the ones ABOUT whom one is speaking.

Let's not act brand new.

[SunSeeker]

212. His timing and wording indicated he was speaking to and about Clinton.

He said it in response to her gun control statements.

You obviously interpret it differently. We're both allowed to have our own opinion.

[merrily]

229. He has used that exact wording for years to speak generally and not to accuse any

individual of anything--and certainly not to be sexist. There are good faith opinions and then there are bs accusations of sexism.

[SunSeeker]

231. He has not been telling "Secretary Clinton" she's shouting "for years."

The words he used, addressed to Clinton, were sexist. If he didn't mean that Clinton was who he was referring to as shouting, why doesn't he just say so, say he is sorry for his choice of words, and move on?

[merrily]

232. Correct. He never told Secretary Clinton she was shouting and her claim of sexism is trumped up

and bogus.

[SunSeeker]

233. Oh but he did. IF he didn't mean it, he should say so. nt

[merrily]

234. No, he did not and he has said so.

[SunSeeker]

235. Got a link? nt

[merrily]

236. He said it on national TV several times.

I've stopped googling for people. I'm sure you'll find it in seconds if you try.

[SunSeeker]

237. No, he never apologized nor even said he didn't mean it.

Sanders was miffed, telling CNN's Jake Tapper earlier today that Clinton was 'taking words and misapplying them.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3288950/Bernie-Sanders-laughs-suggestion-s-sexist-saying-Hillary-Clinton-shouting-gun-violence.html#ixzz3q5MpRmr5
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That is not saying he didn't mean it. That is not even acknowledging that what he said could be construed as sexist. He thinks it was perfectly ok to tell Hillary she was "shouting" about gun control. Instead of blaming Hillary for "misapplying" his words, he should take responsibility for how he applied his words. "Laughing" it off shows he disregards the damage done by sexist language.

[merrily]

238. He did say her interpretation was not his meaning and he had nothing for which to apologize.

Her trumped up story is on her. She should apologize to him for making up stuff like that.

But, of course, you moved the goalpost from he should have said that he did not mean that to he didn't apologize.

[arcane1]

28. Republicans are assholes. We know that already.

What's your point?

[SixString]

31. "Hillary is too stupid to be President."

"MineralMan wrote:
Hillary is too stupid to be President. Her RFK remark sealed the deal. It won't go away, and will also end any chance she might have had at being the VP choice. Way to go, Hill..."


http://forum.darwincentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=13378&start=75

[bvf]

46. !

[frylock]

58. Oh dear!

And suggesting that she might have had a chance to be VP? Isn't that considered sexist as well by today's standards? And I literally mean TODAY, as in TODAY.

[JimDandy]

186. LOL. Nice catch!

So prescient of him.

This deserves it's own OP frylock.

[whatchamacallit]

63. Jeez! Figures....

[Scootaloo]

66. More proof.

For the supporters of Hillary Clinton, it's not about getting Clinton into the white house.

[arcane1]

75. Good lord, is it All An Act for EVERY Clinton supporter?

Or is it only fake with the loudest ones?

[Fumesucker]

249. They certainly don't have anything bad to say about the fakes

I suppose they have to take what they can get.

[dorkzilla]

78. Ooofa...that's gonna leave a mark...nt

[merrily]

146. Ooofa? Is that some kind of technical term from the Lexus owner's manual?

[dorkzilla]

189. It's a special organic lavender and seaweed-infused sponge that's a favorite with latte-drinkers

I usually use it in my post-yoga and Vipassana meditation class bath, after I've had my evening chai tea latte that I drink in my finely appointed Lexus on the way from the totally groovy Unitarian center in town.

[merrily]

191. I admit it. I have a little bowl of lavender on my nightstand.

It's supposed to make you sleep better.

my post-yoga and Vipassana meditation class bath

Your meditation class bathes communally? Now, that's something to contemplate! This is a whole new side of you, dorkzilla!


I went to a Unitarian Center once, but it was for a Passover Seder. True. I am not Jewish, but I love Passover Seders (also true). When I say that to someone who is Jewish anywhere near Passover, I tend to get an invitation.

[dorkzilla]

194. Ha! My step-family (and ex-huband) are Jewish

When I was married I HAD to go to Seder; my aunt always invites me now but I get very creative with excuses -she no longer accepts my atheism as an excuse. If you want to come next year I'll go with you

Lavender is my favorite-I grow a lot of it in my garden so I always have some, fresh or dried, around the house. One whiff and I calm down. I've taken to putting on lavender oil before one of my marathon MRIs or other fun tests just to keep me grounded and relaxed. Honestly for me it works wonders.

Actually I take meditation classes at a Buddhist monastery about 20 miles north of where I live; I usually do a walking meditation now because my poor old back can't take sitting that long anymore. There is a vegetarian lunch afterward but that's about as communal as it gets, you dirty minded woman

[merrily]

195. When I am at a Seder, I feel the desert sand under my feet, no exaggeration.

I get transported back in time and place to somewhere my ancestors never were!

I used to hear people at the office talk about how much they'd eaten at the Seder the night before, how good the food was, how stuffed they were, etc.

At my first Seder, I was trying to fill up on the first foods on the table because I thought they were the whole meal. I was like, "Parsley and salt water? From this, people get stuffed? Seriously? What on earth were those people talking about?"

One whiff and I calm down.

Try a bowl by your bedside, light some votives and read a book or watch some really good TV. Heavenly.

Sorry about all the MRIs, puddin', but I'm glad the lavender oil helps.

Meditation classes at a Buddhist monastery sounds really cool.

I don't remember what I was watching on tv, but this woman used her own home as a meditation center over the weekend now and again. Made her meals in advance, rang a gong to signal the start of the mediation period, etc. That was cool, too. I don't think I can be peaceful that long, though. I have shbilkies. (sp?)

There is a vegetarian lunch afterward but that's about as communal as it gets, you dirty minded woman.

A communal bath would be more fun. My mother took me to a Turkish bath somewhere in our town when I was about 4 or 5. Lots of naked women walking around, chatting casually and dumping bowls of water over their heads. I was bewildered.

At least introduce a group hug, for pity sake.

[dorkzilla]

207. Shpilkes! I have that too!

Walking meditation is great for people like us. And since I have quite monkey mind it helps too because instead of trying to clear my mind (that ain't nevah, evah, evah gonna happen) I can concentrate on the actual steps.

I'm going going to try the lavender on the nightstand tonight! Thanks for the good idea...I need all the calming ideas I can g we t right now.

[merrily]

208. Thanks. I'll have to look into walking meditation.

[Martin Eden]

79. Hillary is too stupid to be President **IF** ....

... she actually believed the Bush administration's bogus case for war in Iraq and that he would act in good faith with the authority she voted to give him.

I sincerely doubt Hillary Clinton is that stupid.

Much more likely she knew the case for war was a pack of LIES.

Which means HRC was either on board with the neocon agenda, or she just made a political calculation in the post-9/11 environment that it was better for her career to be "tough" on national security.

Consequences be damned.


One small consequence is that she (along with every other politician who voted for the IWR in 2002) forever lost my vote in Democratic primaries.

I'm still struggling with understanding why any Democrat who was paying attention can give her a pass on that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. I did not. They be a strange group, them Hillary supporters. nt

[UglyGreed]

102. Wow

[Autumn]

118. I thought he posted at Free Republic and was against Obama? Am I remembering wrong?

[merrily]

158. Nope. Posted at FREEP against Obama, posted here supporting Obama, posted against Hillary in 2008,

"supported" Bernie here a short time ago and "switched" support to Hillary after that.

Had lengthy, though, IMO, not especially riveting or convincing, explanations for each of those revolutions evolutions.

Wanna make something out of it?

[Autumn]

160. Oh yeah. Lot of... evolving there.

[merrily]

172. I see your point.

[Fumesucker]

123. ...

[Broward]

125. Same guy? Unbelievable.

[Doctor_J]

133. The Great Lakes' answer to Steven Leser

Good catch

[WorseBeforeBetter]

178. We never learned what she did to become an "un-liar" in his eyes.

Graceful loser is how it was explained.

Can't wait for MM's explanation as to how she became "un-stupid." Perhaps we'll get the ol' "What I wrote was based on incorrect information." excuse.

And maybe Chae will explain how Hillary's no longer:

--a lying, pandering fighter for yourself

--a proven LIAR

--morally depraved

Gawd almightly, I LOVE this site!

[dorkzilla]

210. I love the "death to the fascist wing of the Dem"

Just above the 3rd quote. My how people can change! Then to spend time on another site talking shit about Bernie supporters...how disappointing.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

255. Meh. They can talk all the shit about me they want...

their opinions mean nothing to me. But what I really want to know is whether MM, while acting as precinct captain and canvassing, phone banking, etc. (DUers are lectured ad nauseam about GOTV), uses "Hillary is too stupid to be President" to rally the troops. Question is -- which political party's troops?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

179. "What I wrote was based on incorrect information."

Maybe that will be trotted out again.

Excellent find, SixString!

[99Forever]

193. A phony hypocrite is exposed.

As if it wasn't already glaringly obvious.

So, watcha gotta say now, Preacher?

[Puglover]

202. I guess I find it hard to

believe why anyone is the slightest bit surprised.

[Dr. Strange]

220. I'm reccing this thread...

just for this response.

[TwilightGardener]

244. Yeah...I stayed out of this thread, but now I'm suddenly interested.

[AzDar]

246. El.Oh.El

[Armstead]

34. And your point is?

On your list, the vast majority here would agree are sexist and out of line and just plain rude. (The non-sexist insults, IMO, are Rude, Obnoxious, and Loud, as they are also applied to men.)

But if Hillary were a male the same opponents would be using equally obnoxious words, some non-gender specific, others referring to parts of the male anatomy.

And Heavens to Besty, look at some of the terms that DUers toss towards Republicans. And do you remember the good old days when GW was president? he was regularly referred to by that "speciest" term The Monkey.

Insults are insults. Bad manners are bad manners. There's always a difficult line between legitimate criticism and over-the-line insult.

But whatever, that's what happens in politics, regardless of the gender.

[DinahMoeHum]

35. My reply for those a-holes: "Oderint dum metuant"

Let them hate, provided they fear.

[meow2u3]

38. Uppity

Madwoman

Hypocrite

Aggressive, as if it were a bad thing.

Witch

Bitch

[TheKentuckian]

100. What is the rationale for hypocrite being sexist?

Madwoman seems to be pretty off the wall too. Never once in history have I heard madman to sexist so how is madwoman? Do you contend that one must always be gender neutral to not be sexist?

At some point there is a such a thing as being very thin skinned and I'm going to say you are way on the other side of it when you are trying to sell hypocrite as sexist and right on the other side of the border whining about madwoman.

Also, no aggressive isn't always a good thing either. If you are an aggressive warmonger that is bad regardless of gender so some context might be in order on that one too.

Half your little list is complete bunk. Feigned injury to play victim for political benefit aka dishonorable and dishonest.

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. I'll go with warmonger and corporatist.

They're nice and non-gender specific.

[Fawke Em]

42. Yep.

[Thinkingabout]

43. The same title also apply to Sanders.

[Comrade Grumpy]

67. You're funny. Or deluded. I'm not sure which. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

89. I might be funny, no not deluded. Check his record on voting for military action and check to see

How he votes on the F-35. He is helping Lockheed Martin a lot.

[Comrade Grumpy]

143. I'm willing to concede Sanders isn't perfect on these issues.

But I know who voted for the Iraq war and who didn't.

And I know who wants to get even more aggressive in Syria and who doesn't.

[Thinkingabout]

180. Then by some of the talking points here Sanders would be a war hawk.

Also, Sanders says he is willing to take military action as president, make them both on the same level.

[merrily]

137. Not even a teensy funny.

[Fawke Em]

41. Surprisingly, "shouty" isn't on there.

Mainly because it's not a word used only to describe women.

[KamaAina]

45. Most if not all of those are from her right-wing opponents

not Bernie supporters, as has been bandied about here.

[arcane1]

48. The entire point of the OP is to lump all "opponents" together as one.

If there's a different point, I'm unaware of it.

[Maedhros]

69. The OP is a master of disingenuous rhetoric.

It's his raison d'etre.

[Bread and Circus]

74. That's the sense I get. Really gives me a warm fuzzy to pull that lever for the leading candidate to

Or not so much.

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. What's REALLY weird is when her supporters call her an "inveterate liar".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5537733

[frylock]

61. Did you catch this gem?

"Hillary is too stupid to be President."

[arcane1]

71. LOL You two are ruining perfectly good fake bullshit!

[Bread and Circus]

77. Mineralman said Hillary Clinton was too stupid to be President?

[frylock]

99. Correct, Mineralman said Hillary Clinton was too stupid to be President.

[Bread and Circus]

105. The same Mineralman who created this thread said Hillary Clinton was too stupid...

...to be President?

[frylock]

106. The person who said "Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President" is the same Mineralman..

that posted this OP.

[Bread and Circus]

108. Interesting.

[frylock]

115. Shocking, even.

[Bread and Circus]

116. Honestly it is pretty shocking and a fine example of being hoisted on one's own petard

[frylock]

117. I'd be too ashamed and embarrassed to post here for a few days myself..

but I like to think that I possess a small bit of humility.

[kenfrequed]

221. Indeed.

Personally I think Hillary is highly intelligent and probably has some good intentions. I just think she is wrong on policy, that she is too chained to her donors, and that her third way ideology actually ends up being more of the same regressive policy economically speaking.

[frylock]

242. It's evident that some people just have no shame.

[kenfrequed]

219. The internet doesn't seem to forget

It is kind of odd.

Even though I was dead set against Hillary in 2008 I don't think I called her an "inveterate liar" or "too stupid." This says a lot to me about the people that said these things and the kinds of things they will say and what they will do.

I did fume and rant and rave about her policy positions, her backers, and the Third way/DLC/Blue dog factions within the party. Sometimes I think I might have been a bit over the top. But I don't recall tossing around words like that.

[Bread and Circus]

222. I agree

[kenfrequed]

223. Do you ever wonder...

That maybe some of these yahoos that seem so good at getting people riled up and creating all kinds of web drama aren't actually here to help any candidate at all? Do you ever wonder if they aren't just here to spread anger and frustration and angst?

I mean it always seems to be either prersonal stuff, or personality, or optics.

[Bread and Circus]

81. Is Cha now a Hillary supporter?

[arcane1]

83. Cha is a regular on the Clinton Cave site now n/t

[frylock]

101. hillaryclintonsupporters.com is a site that people go to talk shit about DU's Sanders supporters..

Can you link to the equivalent website used by Sanders supporters?

[okasha]

130. DU

[frylock]

131. Try again.

This site has rules. That site encourages shitting on DUers.

[okasha]

134. Perhaps you're too close to the phenomenon to see it clearly.

[frylock]

138. Naw, my view is just fine from here..

what I see is a bunch of people who have run their gums for half a year get wadded when their shit talk gets returned in kind. Don't hate the player.

[okasha]

139. We agree! I see exactly the same thing.

[frylock]

224. No, we are not in agreement.

Good day.

[sheshe2]

149. Boom~

[arcane1]

120. More info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128054711

[arcane1]

142. For something so easily dismissed, you sure typed a lot of words to discredit it.

Of course, they hid all the forums from the public, so they could act in secret. You might not be getting the full effect.

[arcane1]

215. I'm not " critisizing another for visiting anoter site"

But since they hide their content now, you may not get the full picture.

[ismnotwasm]

144. I'm a member there

It's a great site and not nearly as obsessed with DU as certain people are obsessed by it. I'm also a member of other Hillary support groups, Hillary Facebook groups, Feminist groups etc. I have a lot of fun that those places, and meet some almost intimidatingly smart people, people who know their way around politics and philosophy.

DU has been part of my life for a long time. I'm not one to just get up and leave, but I do like places where I can be totally comfortable, and that hasn't been the case for the last few months, although I think it's better lately.

[sheshe2]

147. JHC!

+1000000000000000~

Thank you mister.

Stalking, yes that is what it sounds like. We are not allowed a voice anywhere on the internet now? They need to leave Cha alone. She is a sweetheart.

[misterhighwasted]

161. I knew Cha better when I used to hang out here.

I like her too. She is a spirited one alright, kind & funny as hell.
Tell her hello from me if you see her around.
I doubt I'll be back here for quite awhile.
I'm travelling a lot now & really busy.

[sheshe2]

164. I will miss you mister.

Come back when you can.

[NanceGreggs]

159. Oh. My. God.

Imagine Hillary supporters going to other websites to discuss their candidate! Imagine DUers posting on OTHER sites!!!!

What is the internetz coming to?

This MUST BE STOPPED!!!

[George II]

163. I can't believe that there's more than one site discussing politics........

........have you called the internets police, Al Gore, or even better the NSA?

Good thing Sanders voted for building more prisons years ago, we're going to need them with all this sedition happening on the internets.

[NanceGreggs]

171. Just don't reveal names.

Protect your brethren. Remember your oath.

We knew they'd be on to us eventually - it was just a matter of when.

This has opened that proverbial can-of-worms. Now the PTB will be searching the 'net for political sites that are NOT DU - and the price to be paid by the traitors will be enormous.

To arms, my fellow citizens! Let us wipe the scourge of "other websites" from our midst!

[Comrade Grumpy]

183. Do we have to repost your bon mots from that other site again?

That was pretty sleazy. And yet here you are.

[arcane1]

216. And plotting to "prod" people into getting their posts hidden

Spare me your phony hurt fee-fees

[sheshe2]

169. ....

[NanceGreggs]

173. Well, excactly. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

94. Chairperson of Hillary's DU effort.

Of course I jest, but big supporter yes.

[Bread and Circus]

107. Cha said Hillary is an inveterate liar? Wow...

That's quite a statement.

[Autumn]

121. Also said Hillary is morally depraved.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5692646&mesg_id=5699469

[MannyGoldstein]

135. But she meant that in a good way

So it's all good.

[Doctor_J]

140. WAS morally depraved. now she's the best choice for leader of the free world.

Evolution is an amazing thing.

[Bread and Circus]

150. Yes, WAS. Mineralman literally pulled that in this thread. Clinton WAS stupid he says.

I can only imagine with a straight face too.

[Puglover]

209. SHAME on you for pointing this out.

People evolve!

Not sure how one evolves from "moral depravity" but hey. It could happen.

[arcane1]

218. The OP once believed gays shouldn't be around children, so anything is possible.

[Autumn]

228. Yes it's entirely possible to go from "moral depravity" to...

Shit. I got nothing, I don't know how one becomes "un morally depraved" unless one wasn't morally depraved to begin with. Your right. It could happen but Hillary didn't just up and change, she's the same as always. It's like her being "to stupid to be President" ( a disgusting thing to say) 7 years ago and now this last year she's suddenly smart enough? does that even mean? Women become smart when they turn 67 ?? That is so offensive. Hillary has always been an extremely smart accomplished woman. She hasn't changed at all. I think in both of those instances what they have to say about her shows a very clear agenda.

[Android3.14]

59. People pretend any opposition to her is sexist

Feh!

[AzDar]

60. Oooooh, oooooh, Mr. Kotter!! I have one: "Mentirosa"...

You're welcome!

[Blue_In_AK]

64. But Bernie's opposition to her isn't any of that,

so why are you bringing it up?

[Scootaloo]

65. But remember, it's we liberals who are the real fucking problem.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. I think you should address your own extremely nasty barbs at her being quoted in this thread

It seems very dubious that this is coming up again. You are linking to FR, where you said all those shitty things about LGBT and African Americans and John Kerry and Hillary and so on and so forth.

Between you and Steve, two of her 'supporters' have used some of the most vicious language about her I have ever seen anywhere. Too stupid? Inveterate liar? The two of you make Trump look soft spoken.

You really should talk about that a bit. Everyone else is.

[dorkzilla]

87. Inveterate liar was a different DUer

It was Cha. That makes me sad...I used to adore her and she's just so anti-Bernie supporter...the hypocrisy makes me absolutely puzzled.

[Puglover]

205. And then there is Reply #14

in this blast from the past thread. Evolution is a wondrous thing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4533614

[dorkzilla]

206. Wow, so she's become LESS warmonger-y since '08

I'm so fucking confused.

[840high]

70. And????

[thesquanderer]

73. Loud? Obnoxious? Rude?

There's nothing gender-specific about those. Actually, it sounds like a description of Chris Christie.

[redgreenandblue]

188. Really. Why are those in there?

[retrowire]

76. HOLD ON HOLD ON HOLD ON....

Fishwife?

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

[MineralMan]

80. Google it.

It's not complimentary.

[arcane1]

82. "Too stupid to be president" is a compliment, I suppose?

[UglyGreed]

113. Seems MM

as Yoda would say Pleading the 5th you are

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[MannyGoldstein]

85. Are you claiming that this is common on DU?

Or that Bernie Sanders, uses these? Or his supporters, in any significant numbers?

If not, then your post is silly.

[MineralMan]

88. Nope. I didn't mention DU in the OP

at all. I was talking about her opponents in general. Thanks for asking.

[MannyGoldstein]

95. So then you must be claiming that DUers say there's no sexism

re: Clinton anywhere ever?

Because otherwise I'm totally puzzled as to why your OP exists.

[MineralMan]

98. Lots of things are puzzling, Manny.

[Bread and Circus]

110. Absolutely. because I just read a link where you said Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President.

Puzzling indeed

[MineralMan]

112. She was that year. Obama won.

This is eight years later. She's smarter now. I supported Obama in 2008.

[Bread and Circus]

114. Hmm your statement just now sounds full of shit.

Thanks for admitting it though... sort of... then disavowing it at the same time....

How can you not see the Irony of what you post in the OP and then contrast that your own statement?

What you said is worse than most of the crap you linked in the OP.

And then you come out and say "she was".

How can you not be embarrassed and at least apologize?

[merrily]

199. Full, indeed.

How can you not be embarrassed

Plenty of practice?

[Autumn]

124. Do you still believe "Romney Wouldn't be a bad VP pick by any means"?

http://forum.darwincentral.org/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=MineralMan+McCain&start=25

[okasha]

162. Remember that you're talking to people

whose hero hasn't had a new idea in forty years.

And they think that's a good thing.

[frylock]

225. Why is Hillary co-opting his old, stale ideas?

[okasha]

239. She isn't.

She has a far more extensive platform that not only names our national problems but offers specific steps toward reform.

You should know that.

[frylock]

241. Uhhh... no.

Remember Hillary's big week of evolution just prior to the first debate? Myself and others certainly do.

[okasha]

247. I have no idea what goes on in your memory.

I do remember that Hillary had a long-established and very public and continuing history of supporting LGBT's, when no one heard a peep out of Bernie. She has had a similar history of support with PoC, while Bernie merely adopted BLM's points.

And, of course, she totally obliterated the Republican witch hunt. All in a day's work for Madam Prez.

[frylock]

248. My memory may be faulty, but my ability to search the net isn't..

yes, we know she supported DOMA because the Republicans were going to change the Constitution, or some such bullshit. And what better advocate could one ask for than someone who believed that marriage was a sacred bond between a man and a woman a little over a decade ago? But there I go, Logicsplaining again. And of course her support for tough-on-crimes laws was quite beneficial to people of color. Who can argue with that? Don't know what her obliteration of the Republicans has to with our discussion here, but for some people, just sticking it to the Republicans is good enough for them. Issues are secondary to such matters of importance.

[okasha]

250. Your memory probably is faulty, and so is your "research,."

Those of us who lived through the LGBT civil rights movements, some of us also people of color, know exactly who our friends were and are.

Bernie was on R&R, not on the front lines.

[frylock]

251. I'll rely on the word of other posters on this forum who disagree.

Yep, Hillary marched while talking about the sanctity of marriage. That's some fucking stellar advocacy for you there.

[okasha]

252. Now you're wasn'theresplainin'.

[frylock]

253. I get it. As a straight, white male I'm supposed to stfu.

[merrily]

168. LOL!

[Autumn]

176. "She's smarter now"? You really want to fucking say that in 2008

she wasn't smart enough to be President? A Lawyer, a Law Professor, a former First Lady and a United States Senator, an author, a 60 year old woman comfortable and charming enough to stand on equal footing with world leaders and she wasn't fucking smart enough to be President? You have the temerity to scold people who have called her none of those names on your list while you have a post out there where you proudly proclaim that "Hillary Clinton was too stupid to be President."

[MannyGoldstein]

197. You do realize that the US President is

the most powerful person on Earth.

And that you said Clinton is stupid, not just that she said something stupid.

[arcane1]

91. Not claiming, but dishonestly implying.

Fortunately most of us aren't stupid enough to fall for it

[MannyGoldstein]

97. Sure seems that way

But maybe he'll produce a reasonable explanation.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

184. There's always the tried and true "incorrect information."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113710794#post125

[MannyGoldstein]

196. Oh Goddess.

Words fail.

[dorkzilla]

211. Holy shit!

I cannot believe what I've just read. Holy holy shit.

[arcane1]

217. It's almost as if it's all an act, and the poster is nothing more than a hack.

No, that can't be it

[frylock]

226. How incredibly vile.

[Agnosticsherbet]

86. Overly sensitive is one I see used for women.

We live in a sexist system.

[MineralMan]

90. Yes. It's a systemic problem.

It's time for a change. A woman as President would be a good thing, as long as it is a Democratic woman. Hillary will be a good one.

[merrily]

119. That does not mean that no woman is overly sensitive. Some women are, and some men are.

At one of the sources the OP lists, Hillary is compared to Richard Nixon. Is that sexist? If so, is it more "sexist" toward women or more "sexist" toward men?

Why?

[guillaumeb]

103. I will not search the links you provided. I feel no need.

But when accusations of sexism are leveled at Bernie Sanders by HRC or by someone in her campaign, my first thought is that if the accusation is based solely on the "shouting" comment, there is no basis for assuming that the motivation was sexism. If Sanders had demonstrated a pattern of misogynistic language that would be a different situation.

This sounds to me like a huge stretch to infer sexism from that comment. Plus there is no indication to support the idea that Sanders was referring specifically to Sanders.

[frylock]

104. Kicking and reccing for exposure.

[merrily]

109. Point is, there was no sexist component to Sanders remark about shouting about gun control.

Point is, most women her age have put up with much, more more without whining about it or having surrogates whining about it.

Point is, her making up shit about Sanders' comment being sexist hurts women in the workplace who actually have to earn a living and need every raise they get.

When most women get groped or propositioned or made very uncomfortable on the job, somehow the Secret Service never gets there fast enough.

What you've listed are sources that say something--anything--negative about Hillary. News flash, all criticisms of a woman are not sexist.

[AgingAmerican]

111. Hotair.com? Breitbart? Hmmmmm...

Are you now running with the 'Bernie the sexist' meme too?

[Fumesucker]

126. K&R for the hypocrisy

Too stupid to be President!

[merrily]

136. Novel. I've never kicked or recommended for hypocrisy. Maybe I should start?

[Fumesucker]

141. Outstanding effort should be recognized and rewarded

And I have to say this one was really above and beyond the call of duty.

[merrily]

145. outstanding effort? No offense to you or MineralMan intended, but did you and I read the same OP?

Posting links to several criticisms of Hillary = outstanding effort?

[Fumesucker]

148. He utterly destroyed what credibility he had left, if any

I would say that's a pretty good effort...

[merrily]

155. How much credibility would you say he had before the OP of this thread?

[Fumesucker]

167. About this much...

[merrily]

170. LOL! He thinks she's stupid to be President, so her opinion hardly matters to him.

Please see also, Reply 158.

[Bread and Circus]

152. did you miss the part where Mineralman said Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President?

[merrily]

154. No, I did not miss that. If I could rec some of the posts on this thread, I would.

But, IMO, the OP does not = outstanding effort.

[TwilightGardener]

245. This thread went from dreadful strawman BS to fucking awesome in the course of 24 hours.

[99Forever]

128. Oh noez!

RWNJ sites said mean things about po victim Hillary.

Golly gee. And they've never been mean to any men.

[Warren DeMontague]

190. "people try to pretend there isn't a sexist component to opposition to her."- they do?

Well, obviously, any people who try to make that claim are full of ye olde shite, aren't they.

As are, of course, any people who would try to claim that since there IS a sexist component to some opposition to her, that ANY and ALL opposition to her is therefore "sexist".

Now, I'm not saying anyone here would try to float such a leaky boat of a logical fallacy, but I'm sure "some people" would.

[djean111]

227. Gee, so we need to make it all better for her by making her Prezident!

Issues still not important, I see. Well, they are important to me, and anyone who gets into politics, and knows how to sling a smear about being Muslim or having the support of hard-working white people, but cannot face the sticks and stones part - maybe should not be in politics.

I am a woman, and this playing of the gender card is downright embarrassing.

And - DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE ONLY REASON WE ALL DO NOT SUPPORT HILLARY IS BECAUSE OF THIS CRAP?
Really? All the supporters of other candidates are not supporting Hillary because she is a woman? You think the GOP would have happily voted for her, but won't - because of names? or are you just concerned that names might affect low-information voters who do not look at the issues?

If Hillary is that thin-skinned, then she is not presidential material.

[smiley]

240. ignore.........

[McCamy Taylor]

254. And since every strong woman in the country has been called the same, they will vote for her.

I wish there was a "stick out my tongue" smilie I could insert here.