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applegrove

(118,622 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:14 PM Aug 2012

"Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks" at Reuters

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

By Mark Hosenball at Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-usa-campaign-binladen-ad-idUSBRE87E01F20120815

"SNIP...........................................

Leaders of the group, the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, say it is nonpartisan and unconnected to any political party or presidential campaign. It is registered as a so-called social welfare group, which means its primary purpose is to further the common good and its political activities should be secondary.

In the past, military exploits have been turned against presidential candidates by outside groups, most famously the Swift Boat ads in 2004 that questioned Democratic nominee John Kerry's Vietnam War service.

The OPSEC group says it is not political and aims to save American lives. Its first public salvo is a 22-minute film that includes criticism of Obama and his administration. The film, to be released on Wednesday, was seen in advance by Reuters.

"Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not," Ben Smith, identified as a Navy SEAL, says in the film.

............................................SNIP"
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"Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks" at Reuters (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2012 OP
They are going to try to tie Obama and killing bin Laden to leaks that could kill Americans. applegrove Aug 2012 #1
I dont even know what leaks they are referring to Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #15
Details about the mission the Republicans claim only could have come from the WH applegrove Aug 2012 #16
do i hear the sound of swift boat engines? ellenfl Aug 2012 #2
me thinks they doth protest too much about the leaks. I think it could be Republicans applegrove Aug 2012 #6
Yep same piece of shit Swiftboat tactics. They are obviously partisan hacks. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #10
surprisingly, cbs 'this morning' agreed. eom ellenfl Aug 2012 #24
Really?! Corporatemedia Cha Aug 2012 #27
nah, said they appeared to be partisan, contrary to their claims. ellenfl Aug 2012 #28
Thanks ellenfl! Yeah, Cha Aug 2012 #29
These guys should be called on the carpet and cashiered out. cspanlovr Aug 2012 #3
isn't criticism of the cinc a big no-no? or is this a FORMER navy seal? unblock Aug 2012 #4
Well, the actual GENERAL in charge of the op had nothing but praise for the President... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #5
Can you imagine if Bush had killed OBL? Thrill Aug 2012 #7
Uh huh. Let's talk about the deliberate malicious leak of Valerie Plame's identity, too. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #8
He and his team organized it and he ordered it Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2012 #9
That other piece of wa-wa-wah whining juvenile nonsense is picked up by Reuters?? Amonester Aug 2012 #11
Non-profit? We're fucking financing those people? Sick fucks can't win on their ideas.. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #12
That bogus "nonpartisan" group can Zoeisright Aug 2012 #13
It won't work on Obama. He's the incumbent-unlike Kerry, who was successfully jenmito Aug 2012 #14
Mr. Smith - the last time I checked the President was mzmolly Aug 2012 #17
Non-partisan my ass Jessy169 Aug 2012 #18
Bragging, my ass. The President hasn't been doing a Guiliani about bin Laden's death. gkhouston Aug 2012 #19
All members of that group should be neutered LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #20
And the swiftboating begins ... AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #21
nonpartisan... lol CabCurious Aug 2012 #22
A little doggeral poetry from navy seal, Ben Smith courtesy of Tea Party Tribune. Monk06 Aug 2012 #23
Obama killed OBL, Obama killed OBL, Obama killed OBL. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #25
I think so also GallopingGhost Aug 2012 #26

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
1. They are going to try to tie Obama and killing bin Laden to leaks that could kill Americans.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:15 PM
Aug 2012

When will we actually know who leaked the stuff the GOP is complaining about? Probably not until way after the election.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
15. I dont even know what leaks they are referring to
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:59 PM
Aug 2012

Its a little hard to get outraged about leaks when I cant even figure out what Im supposed to be getting upset about.

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
16. Details about the mission the Republicans claim only could have come from the WH
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:04 PM
Aug 2012

or Situation Room. I don't buy it.

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
2. do i hear the sound of swift boat engines?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:16 PM
Aug 2012

re the partisan issue . . . methinks they doth protest too much.

ellen fl

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
6. me thinks they doth protest too much about the leaks. I think it could be Republicans
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:20 PM
Aug 2012

who leaked to set Obama up in the election. Do you know when we will find out, if we find out, who leaked the details of the bin Laden raid?

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
28. nah, said they appeared to be partisan, contrary to their claims.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:02 AM
Aug 2012

of course, we have subsequently learned who they are and that they are, in fact, very partisan. i have to think that they will be excoriated by their contemporaries for their partisan attack. surely we learned SOMETHING from the original swift boaters.

ellen fl

Cha

(297,154 posts)
29. Thanks ellenfl! Yeah,
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:27 PM
Aug 2012

if the "media" said they appeared to be partisan then they called them "liars".

I felt more confident about dealing with the swiftboat wannabes when I read this about Bill McRaven..

"Bill McRaven, leader of Seal Team 6, was interviewed on Fox News

and the Fox guy (I forget which one), congratulated McRaven for getting Bin Ladin (and implying that Obama had nothing to do with it) but McRaven immediately said that he wasn't the one to congratulate, the President was the man in charge, and the president made the call all by himself. Fox tried several times to get McRaven to take credit, and McRaven kept saying he only followed orders given to him by the President. And McRaven pointed out that if the mission had failed, everyone would've blamed Obama fast enough. McRaven was very convincing.

I'm sure they can get McRaven, leader of the team that took out Bin Ladin, to do an ad, and I think that'd make the pub puppets like the jerks they are.

They swiftboated Kerry and succeeded, at least partially because the Viet Nam war was a long time ago. History is fuzzy and you can fudge it, especially since Kerry responded all wrong. The killing of Bin Ladin happened yesterday and is still fresh in everyone's mind, and Obama's team will hit back fast and hard. I think this attempt at swiftboating won't work, and might even backfire big time."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/125171138#post17

unblock

(52,196 posts)
4. isn't criticism of the cinc a big no-no? or is this a FORMER navy seal?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
Aug 2012

or perhaps a soon-to-be former navy seal?

in any event, the quote above is overtly political (and partisan).



on the other hand, thanks, guys, for reminding america about the whole nailing bin laden thing.
no matter what you say about it, that story helps obama.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
5. Well, the actual GENERAL in charge of the op had nothing but praise for the President...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
Aug 2012

...so this "non-partisan" group hasn't a fucking clue what they're talking about.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
7. Can you imagine if Bush had killed OBL?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
Aug 2012

And Democrats did some shit like this. The media would be outraged.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
9. He and his team organized it and he ordered it
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:25 PM
Aug 2012

unless they're suggesting that this was a rogue operation, which I doubt, President Obama took ultimate responsibility for the mission. Would they have blamed the Seal team if the mission had failed???!

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
11. That other piece of wa-wa-wah whining juvenile nonsense is picked up by Reuters??
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:33 PM
Aug 2012

Seriously???

Many in there need to grow up ASAP and it's not the President.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
12. Non-profit? We're fucking financing those people? Sick fucks can't win on their ideas..
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:34 PM
Aug 2012

they have to win this way. Typical losers. I don't care if they're Navy Seals.. whatever.

"America" did not kill OBL. The President and the military did NOT consult me. The credit goes to the CiC, the General, and the people involved in the raid.
'
Ben Smith should be booted from the Navy, if he's even still in it.

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
14. It won't work on Obama. He's the incumbent-unlike Kerry, who was successfully
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:51 PM
Aug 2012

swift-boated since HE was the little-known challenger.

Jessy169

(602 posts)
18. Non-partisan my ass
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:06 AM
Aug 2012

The president of Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, Scott Taylor, is a former Navy SEAL who in 2010 ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for a congressional seat in Virginia.

LiberalFighter

(50,888 posts)
20. All members of that group should be neutered
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:59 AM
Aug 2012

They are not professional their opinion is no better than bin Laden's.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
21. And the swiftboating begins ...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 02:22 AM
Aug 2012

A Senate report and a CIA operative say Bush & military leaders let bin Laden escape:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/let_laden_escape.htm
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2009/11/senate_report_b.php

Truth: It was President Obama that got the job done and there's not a damn thing these sniveling assclowns can do about it. They will look small and petty and oh so Republican.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
23. A little doggeral poetry from navy seal, Ben Smith courtesy of Tea Party Tribune.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:04 AM
Aug 2012

Yes he's a bagger.


By Benjamin Smith


The sun shone bright and a nation asleep

No eye to the skies, no S.O.P.’s

Ignorance inbound on American flights

Now everything is different, we’re gonna have to fight

You never see it coming, that’s the only way

What the hell just happened! It was a beautiful day.



BOOM

Planes crahing

Buildings falling

People dying

American death….. Islamic Jihad

I Have to love to kill… to get to my god.

72 virgins and some boys to boot

“Paradise” i say… its just a reason to loot

“Dar al islam” is the end of my game

If I let you live you must live in your shame

I am your master and you must behave

You just have to accept, you will be my slave



BOOM

Planes crahing

Buildings falling

People dying

American death….. Islamic Jihad

3000 dead in a blink of an eye

When evil attacks….. I’m gonna get mine

Pipe hitters everywhere beating the bush

Spec Ops goin’ in there jumpin’ the kush

Afghanistan, Iraq, the world on hook

How could it be extreme when its in your book?

Plain as day, turning to night

The commands in your book is the reason we fight.

Strapped with bombs you try to take me with you

“Alla Akbar” you say before I kill you

“NEVER FORGET “ we say with somber rage in our heart

Read the Koran! Learn why you do your part

We’re not the ones who make you meet your maker

We’re just the ones who arrange the meetin’!



BOOM

Planes crahing

Buildings falling

People dying

American death….. Islamic Jihad

Its funny in time, the farther we get

If we don’t remember, we seem to forget

Remember, in their peaceful view of the world we’ll all be dead

If we don’t heed our past, It will happen again

10 years, 10 years …. Whats the score?

Remember the fallen and fight for them more

Forget at your peril….

We’re still a nation at war!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. Obama killed OBL, Obama killed OBL, Obama killed OBL.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:29 AM
Aug 2012

And Bush didn't.

The end.

Every time they make this argument, people will be reminded, Obama killed OBL. The rest will be noise because its obviously a lame argument for them to make.

Kerry could be swift boated because most people had no idea what happened to him in Vietnam ... and they certainly didn't have personal knowledge of what happened there. So it was easy to tell a lie and get it to stick.

Not true in this case. Almost everyone in the US wanted OBL captured or killed. And we all remember EXACTLY how we felt when we learned that Obama killed him. We have personal knowledge of the events. There is no lie that can change what we already know to be true.

And their attempts to distort events, or to challenge what we all already know to be true will appear sad and desperate.

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