2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOnce upon a time, Bernie Sanders had very few supporters of his Presidential campaign
Now he has very, very many.
Once upon a time, Bernie Sanders had no members of Congress endorsing his Presidential campaIgn.
Today he has one. In the future...
Day by day, week by week, month by month. That's how America moves forward.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think that they are a pretty reasonable lagging indicator.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:56 PM - Edit history (1)
A synergy of and
Bravo!
(Someone please let me know the jury results, thanks.)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Because pointing out that you claim endorsements are unimportant until your guy gets a single, solitary endorsement ... then, endorsements are noteworthy ... is a straw man.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)But I suppose that if you want it to say that... well, there you are.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm expecting another "I didn't say what I apologized for saying" explanation.
This ought to good.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's in English.
Not very complex.
Some people, I suppose, will infer things to avoid the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. But the intellectually-honest won't.
And the intellectually-honest don't launch childish personal attacks, either.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Especially when the fail remains a mystery to the "failor."
Apropos of nothing, I saw this 1988 film on TV. I can't remember if 1988 was before or after Mamet went politically insane and inane. However, it was a sweet and (very) mildly entertaining film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096259/
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)and he'll claim that the only curve that can possibly connect those two dots is an elaborate and meandering one, which happens to create the letters that spell out some hateful phrase. Thus proving that the person who plotted the two dots was a terrible, awful human being who cleverly embeds hateful phrases.
All done up in a distinctive and delightful passive-aggressive package.
merrily
(45,251 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I read very well, thank you ... and No, it's not complex at all
I read your "Dear statisticians WE don't care about no endorsements ... only real people voting counts" OP for you saying you don't care about endorsements. (It really was a good piece)
Several people rec'd that OP ... adding comments that suggested that is how they understood that same meaning.
Now that my the Good Gentleman from the district to my South has endorsed Bernie, endorsement are a lagging indicator.
And Yes ... It is in English
Yes ... you do.
No ... We won't.
No ... We don't. But, how is that relevant here?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)One could infer that a dog humping their leg is the reincarnation of Hedy Lamarr, who's fallen in love with them and returned to Earth as a dog purely for this opportunity, thus proving that a career in Hollywood awaits. But that might not be what's really going on.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"I didn't say what I said!" ...
"Well, what did you say?" ...
"Not that!"
"Well, what did you say!?!"
"{insert randomly generated, but unresponsive comment here} ... So, there!"
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm disappointed!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)carla
(553 posts)it to mean that one can build a viable political campaign if one wields the truth, that "from tiny acorns can grow mighty oaks", to put it poetically. Eventually the endorsement is frosting on a cake, the same cake many said would never rise, never be baked, never get frosted and never be divided up and shared with the American people. 1StrongBlackMan, is it that you really dislike democracy or is it that you just like to appear to be smarter and sharper than the rest of us? I understand now why many want to jury you...though I prefer to engage you directly because I already have a very good idea what you are going to say. I wish you peace and the temperament to start to actually attempt to understand what others say...at least as much as you want us to respect your POV.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But first a question.
You got all that from this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251647636
Neither.
Thank you.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)don't wish to bite the hand that feeds them? I posit that anyone who has major party support will only endorse Sanders when it is clear that there is no alternative.
The unfortunate reality is that Sanders isn't just running against whatever nut job Republican is put before us. He's also running against corporate media and the elite of the Democratic party.
I have no doubt that this was understood long before he committed to run. As has been said before, should you care to listen, this campaign isn't so much about one person as it is to start the revolutionary change we need to take back control of a totally corrupt political system.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That the people that have worked with him for 30 years, just aren't into him?
There is no doubt, Bernie is running into strong institutional/establishment headwinds.
And yes, I have heard the revolutionary talk ... I just don't think, but a small segment of America, is ready for/invested in that change.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)since he has been elected for more than a decade with overwhelming support. How many candidates for office have won in the last thirty years with a double digit advantage over their competitors? Not many and usually in uncontested or weakly contested races.
As far as the revolution talk? The percentage of the populous that is needed to swing public opinion has never been significant, generally about 3%.
What most of the power structure and pundit class are unwilling or incapable of accepting is that we are living in a different world today. All of the alternative means of communication bypass the major media and make them virtually irrelevant.
As a tired old man I'm so thankful that my grandkids are about to break the chains that keep us bound to power structures that enslave us.
I could be wrong but I'm still going to work for the best alternative future rather than just taking the est I think I can get.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's insular Vermont!
Source?
Yes. I read Ezra Klein's (I think it was his) article, too; but, haven't seem academic corroboration. Until then, I will stick with the data that suggests this is true for, really, only about 25% of the population ... the other 75% still watch the nightly (and cable) news. (citation omitted, due to admitted laziness)
I can't/won't fault you for that ... my peoples' history, and my life's experience, has taught me differently ... you hope and fight for the best alternative; then, you take what is the most likely winning choice.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NealK
(1,851 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)based on your snarky sig line, which seems to belittle "marching with Martin".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)An important part of our political process. Did I?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The DC Democratic Elitists naturally choose Clinton. They all fear the grassroots. The system is rigged against the grassroots for a reason.
I wonder why you seem to choose the Elitist's side. They won't help you with your agenda. Something doesn't make sense.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... the fact that BS now as one Congressional endorsement?
We've been reading for weeks here about how they don't matter, and no one respects Congress-people anyway because they're all bought-and-paid-for.
Now that BS has one endorsement, it looks like his supporters are "evolving" on the issue.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)If you put me on ignore until the 2016 presidential election.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)MindfulOne
(227 posts)Please don't make me clear my ignore list just to find out!
NealK
(1,851 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... don't post.
That's how message boards work.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks for clearing that up.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)You seemed a bit confused by the concept.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)NanceGreggs (17,654 posts)
21. I'm not getting into this.
It is of no consequence.
You already know which of your assertions - here tonight and in other posts - are revisionist history. You've always known.
As for me, I've absolutely zero interest in debating the point.
"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders
NealK
(1,851 posts)The hypocrisy of this poster is... amusing.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Hillaryious!
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)A slam against Nance would never qualify as a DU'zy.
Brush up on your DU Hx.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)But you may get alerted on because humor is very, VERY BAD!
Yes, you've been a bad Manny and you must be punished!
You know your name has been put on THE LIST!
Seriously, Manny - you are a highlight of my time on DU.
Thanks for all you do!
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)them not to. Later when they see how well he does and realize the American people are really fed up with the corruption caused by campaign donations, it will be too late for an endorsement. When Bernie is elected President, many will start to come out and support his policies because they will figure out that all of that campaign money will still not get them elected.
But to your point, the political endorsements mean little when it's Hillary because they are told to do it and because they want to protect the campaign donation gravy train. Bernie as you know by now has said that Publicly Funded Elections are the most important issue facing our country. The ability to buy politicians with campaign donations is the ROOT PROBLEM facing our country!
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Is your ignore button broken?
Did you know that you can customize your own DU experience and you wouldn't have to see ANY of that pesky dissent.
Save your 10 bucks for Bernie.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)but $7.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)and get your ignore button fixed.
merrily
(45,251 posts)He wants to hear from you 30% more than he wants to hear from her.
Good one!
NealK
(1,851 posts)That's more than enough for that one. And since I never put anyone on ignore it would be moronic to bring up the broken button again. It was lame the first time anyway.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)So it's pretty arrogant to expect someone else to do something that you're not willing to do yourself.
Seems the person making the request has the issue.
Talk about lame...
btw... next time you can address me directly. I'm right here.
Of course, you know what you can do with your quarter too.
NealK
(1,851 posts)And say hello to jules, sending you an invite to that DU-trashing site was so nice and appropriate.
You're not very good at this.
Did you have a point in that mess?
btw...I've been a paying member here for 10 years.
NealK
(1,851 posts)Some have been here for longer than that and got booted out anyway, they thought that they were bulletproof too. You really belong over there more than here, same mentality. BTW, do you take a shower after logging out of that disgusting little site?
Look, Neal is it?
Neal...
I'm not going anywhere. Take a breath and wipe the spittle from your screen. Just know that you are in no position to tell
anybody where they belong or don't belong.
Until your name is attached to the PayPal account where I send my contributions to this site, I'll continue to post where I damn well please.
Got it?
NealK
(1,851 posts)But otherwise you seem to be a lovely person.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)... which is still also on Hilary's side. But things change, I think is the thing to take away.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... when I type HRC, MLK, FDR, JFK ...
NealK
(1,851 posts)Give me a B. Give me an S.
What do you got?
BS
What does it mean?
Bull Shit
Give me a D
Give me a U
What do you got?
DU
What does it mean?
Deluded Untruth
Put em together
BSDU
What do you get?
Bull Shit Deluded Untruth
BSDU
BSDU
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=480
Number23
(24,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Yeah, we are all fawning over endorsements now.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... anyone was "all fawning over endorsements" exactly where?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Apparently, you don't.
I asked Manny why he was bringing up BS's endorsement, after the BS supporters have all been quite vociferous about the fact that congressional endorsements are meaningless, and are given by people no one respects because they're bought-and-paid-for.
Now, precisely where does that equate to saying that people are "fawning over" endorsements?
I did say that perhaps BS supporters were "evolving" on the issue. Is that where your confusion lies? Do you think "evolving" and "fawning" mean the same thing?
You can use Google to find the definition of words, you know. Maybe you should look up "fawning", and then come back and explain how anything I said could be construed as meaning "fawning".
TIA
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from perfectly.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)So explain how my reply to Manny's OP equated to saying that people were "fawning over endorsements".
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I think I hear another site calling your name.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... you can't even conjure up even the most tenuous connection between what you claimed I said and what I actually said.
But we both knew that all along, didn't we?
You know what they say about bringing a knife to a gunfight? You brought a spoon.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NealK
(1,851 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... always thinks he won.
That thought stems from the same delusion that led him to show up armed with a spoon in the first place.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)... Bernie supporters being pleased with ONE endorsement or Hillary supporters no longer being able to say he has NONE?
If YOU believe endorsements matter, the story about Bernie has changed, whether you think his supporters are inconsistent or not.
There's no point complaining about his supporters. Nobody's voting for them.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... there's little difference between none and one.
It's very telling either way about a man who has had a lengthy career in politics, and yet his colleagues are keeping their distance from supporting his presidential ambitions.
Now, you can ramble on about how HRC is "buying" endorsements, or how her colleagues are all "terrified" of the Clinton Smear Machine, etc. The truth is that the people who have worked with BS and know him well are NOT interested in supporting him.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)... instead of sticking on the right side.
It's interesting that you included the obvious response to your point within it and spun it away as "rambling on", but "ramling on" is just another way of saying "speaking".
"Oh you may ramble on about the Iraq War being a mistake but the truth is that we were defending the US from terrorists."
You an say whatever you want, obviously, but if you need to ancitipate and explicitly disallow my counterpoint it can really only be because you haven't got a substantive answer to it.
It's not at all difficult to do that. Unfortunately it's me you're doing it with and I can tell.
I don't particularly weight Bernie's new endorsement. I am interested in the reaction to it. It's quite telling.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that many people on this board are supporting Clinton almost entirely through previous grduges against fellow DUers on other subjects because THEY support Sanders.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Keep doing what you do!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)You guys better start bailing instead of trying to poke holes in the other boat...you're standing in a lot of water already
Man the pumps!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)No political endorsements but scads of cultural ones.
Why yes, people do tell me I'm foolish, why do you ask?
Paka
(2,760 posts)Personally I think endorsements are better when they are genuine as opposed to arm-twisted, reward-promised, scare-tactic gained.
Just a thought.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Endorsements of those who put their fingers to the wind so as to be on the winning side/avoid retribution don't count for much to me.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)as a supporter for pres, as I would have been for any dem not part of the DLC crowd.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Patience.
I talk to voters everywhere I go. Today, I took things to Goodwill and talked to the employees there about Bernie. I invited them to our debate party.
Everywhere I go, I try to spread the word. So far people are delighted to hear about Bernie.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)woo was supporting Bernie before Bernie even knew he was going to run.
on edit: check out this post from back in May!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6743725
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Way before most of us.
merrily
(45,251 posts)However, that post is dated May 28, 2015. On April 30, 2015, Bernie had made an informal announcement that he was running for President and the Sanders Group had already posted its SOP. By May 28, 2015, I and others had already donated to his campaign and signed up at his website as volunteers.
Also:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025534410
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025541280
I don't know if I was the first DUer so to do, but I was for encouraging Sanders to run well before May 2015.
Response to merrily (Reply #72)
Zorra This message was self-deleted by its author.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Here's an early one from 2013.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024159835
merrily
(45,251 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)I need to give her back the Bernie banner that I stole from her.
azmom
(5,208 posts)I hope she comes back someday.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.
It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.
The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.
woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801
azmom
(5,208 posts)I truly hope she return soon.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)woo was one of my most favorite DUers. No one posted more genuine information except possibly Octafish. Come home, woo, we miss you.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)to come home from a very, very long day to good news waiting for me at the 'puter.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I guess Bernie's not the only one who can't do anything right.
Thanks, TWM!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Maybe we should visit HillaryClintonSupporters.com to get the low down.
Again, that's HillaryClintonSupporters.com. I start each day there, you should too.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Don't they have other hobbies?
I like horseback riding and kayaking.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'd be happy to procure sets for them.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And then it's hilarious!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Loose lips...
MoveIt
(399 posts)50% Grey is such a readable font color, and I like how they scale up the 300x170 to maximum width, to make her look extra wide.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)a huge poster of Bernie in someone's front window
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)p.s. that includes Rep. Grijalva's.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)the Sanders bus runs out of gas.
Also, in the world of endorsements it will take 5 or 6 Grijalvas to equal 1 John L. Lewis.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And if Biden gets in I'll be surprised if he gets to Iowa.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Hell, I'm shocked that is where he is right now!
merrily
(45,251 posts)not Debbie Republican Shultz's. But, 3.64 might cloud the issues.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Which shows me that you think having endorsements and delegates are okay to overrule the people. I can only surmise , therefore, that you don't actually believe in true Democracy.
Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And when the rest of the people get to know him, can you even imagine what will happen?
Who ever thought he would be where he is now just a few months ago?
This is going to snowball.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Bernie wouldn't have caught on years back, I think, because people still believed in fairy tales about the magic of the Job Creators. Getting steamrolled has woken us up a bit.
Otherwise, I agree 1,000% with your post.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)admit, things are not as they were told they were.
To the criminals who are in charge right now, should have kept the people 'comfortable' but Greed and corruption are not capable of rational thinking. They just keep wanting more. History shows this pattern over and over again until the people have had ENOUGH.
Our very own greedheads would do well to remember the French Revolution, and in fact our own.
babylonsister
(171,035 posts)glad Bernie got in early and is doing so well!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Continue unabashed and unabated. Just warms the heart so.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)In fact, there is growing recognition that Sanders could draw very well from independents and moderate Republicans. Some people, including yours truly, think he would do better in the general election than Clinton.
azmom
(5,208 posts)The revolution is just getting started.
I'm having a debate party in my new neighborhood. Introducing Bernie to new people hopefully.
Keep working folks. Together there is nothing we can't do.
Bernie
jalan48
(13,842 posts)He's managed to put a pin in the balloon of the Conservative Democratic leadership which has claimed for years now that people like Hilary Clinton represent all Democrats, she doesn't. Maybe the Party is ready to go back to the left after decades of trying to look like Ronald Reagan.
merrily
(45,251 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Even the local Fox affiliate here talks about Bernie Sanders and his record breaking crowds! He's doing baby!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Go, Bernie!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walkin' out? Friends,
They may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE ALICE'S
RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT! . . . and all you gotta do to join is to
Sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LNLE5z7jNaM#t=880
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Sucker still cracks me up and I love to see the reactions of the youngins who've never heard it before. Priceless.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)He is must read OP!
Keep making my days!
Feeling the Bern! No aloe needed!
chknltl
(10,558 posts).... is generally a good thing but not always. It's a Manny thread so it gets an auto-rec from me anyway.
NealK
(1,851 posts)NealK
(1,851 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)And I am out there working the grassroots everyday to do my best to see that it happens.
Wanna help?
Bernie 2016 Join the political revolution! Find the nearest volunteer activity or meeting near you.