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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:46 PM Oct 2015

Once upon a time, Bernie Sanders had very few supporters of his Presidential campaign

Now he has very, very many.

Once upon a time, Bernie Sanders had no members of Congress endorsing his Presidential campaIgn.

Today he has one. In the future...

Day by day, week by week, month by month. That's how America moves forward.

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Once upon a time, Bernie Sanders had very few supporters of his Presidential campaign (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 OP
But I thought endorsements were unimportant ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #1
I can't speak for others, but... MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #3
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #42
Your post is quintessentially you MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #47
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #53
Which is not what I said MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #54
Okay ... What DID you say? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #55
I said what I said MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #59
True, but don't you just have to love a failed "gotcha" attempt? I do. merrily Oct 2015 #73
Give that fellow a graph with only two points on it, MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #77
Okay. nt merrily Oct 2015 #78
My you are in such a twist ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #76
That OP said none of what you claim MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #79
You just can't help yourself, can you? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #80
Okay. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #81
What? No offer to donate $10.00 to Martin O'Malley? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #82
Okay. nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #83
I clearly understood carla Oct 2015 #93
LOL ... I'll get right back to you. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #96
Okay, I'm back ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #102
Can you refute the idea that those that have major party support tech3149 Oct 2015 #106
No. I can't. ... Can you refute the idea ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #113
It's sort of funny you would ask that question tech3149 Oct 2015 #141
Why? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #142
They are. But since you guys have been making so much hay out of it, why not? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #56
Did you mis-write that? n/t. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #58
It's more likely that you misread it. NealK Oct 2015 #128
That is certainly a possibility. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #134
I'm assuming that Rep. John Lewis' endorsement of Sec Clinton is unimportant to you tularetom Oct 2015 #107
I never said that endorsements weren't ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #115
What we are looking at is a war between the grassroots 99% and the Wash DC Party Elitists. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #108
Why are you bringing up ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #2
I'll donate $10 to Hillary's campaign, MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #4
I'll join you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
If she puts me on ignore, or you? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #7
I'll donate to get put on ignore too! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
Goddess bless you! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #13
Worth EVERY penny, Comrade Manny! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #14
... MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #15
Who the heck are you two replying to? MindfulOne Oct 2015 #41
Hint: Probably the one at the top of your list which would be the 1st one you put there. NealK Oct 2015 #125
If you don't want replies ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #9
Ah! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #28
No prob. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #48
like this post you made to Manny of Oct 5? (an exchange you began) grasswire Oct 2015 #122
Good catch. NealK Oct 2015 #131
Did you have a point? n/t NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #137
OMG Duzy! tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #29
Wrong Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #90
Cheap at twice the price! Divernan Oct 2015 #32
Proud to have his endorsement, but let's face it, Bernie won't get many as their Donors told Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #38
Awwww Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #86
I'll do the same deal with you MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #87
Take your 7 bucks Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #88
But, it was a compliment. merrily Oct 2015 #109
Rofl! NealK Oct 2015 #133
I'll donate a quarter. NealK Oct 2015 #95
Neither do I. Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #121
Bless your heart! NealK Oct 2015 #124
and?? Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #126
10 years? So impressive! NealK Oct 2015 #127
yeah.. Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #130
Hum, speaking of spittle I'm under the impression that you are foaming at the mouth right now. NealK Oct 2015 #132
Funny, huh? They don't matter...until they do. DanTex Oct 2015 #11
They're still not as important as public support... sibelian Oct 2015 #84
He didn't say they mattered. merrily Oct 2015 #110
How much do you giggle when you type "BS" in your posts to Bernie supporters? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #18
About as much as I giggle ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #20
So mature of them. NealK Oct 2015 #94
Weird, ain't it?? Number23 Oct 2015 #19
I guess he's evolving ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #43
LOL You are really funny sometimes. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #61
And I said ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #62
Are you saying you don't understand your own posts? Hmmm. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #63
I understand my posts perfectly well. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #64
I don't require Google to interpret your posts. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #65
Okay. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #66
I don't think I need to explain your own post to you. Nor do I want to. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #67
In other words ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #68
A gun fight? I didn't realize you were a gun fan. Well, live and learn. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #69
Yeah, okay. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #70
Guess the spoon won after all. gn tk hagd nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #71
Lol! Well said. NealK Oct 2015 #91
The guy left sitting there with his spoon ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #138
So which is the more significant thing... sibelian Oct 2015 #85
If HRC supporters want to opine on BS's endorsements ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #139
... providing the entire endorsement machine has anything to do with wanting to work with people... sibelian Oct 2015 #145
Indeed, Manny. hifiguy Oct 2015 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #10
*Offers buckets to Team Hillary members* Hydra Oct 2015 #12
... SoapBox Oct 2015 #21
Cool, hoping he will get a good bump by this time next week. bettyellen Oct 2015 #16
I personally wish he'd stayed at zero all the way through Fumesucker Oct 2015 #17
K&R Paka Oct 2015 #22
... and best when they show courage :) Babel_17 Oct 2015 #39
he's always had me stupidicus Oct 2015 #23
K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24
woo me with science was the first DUer to actively support Bernie for Prez. Zorra Oct 2015 #25
And she was sort of prophetic. zeemike Oct 2015 #45
I love woo and miss her so much. I hope all the time that she is well and happy. merrily Oct 2015 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Oct 2015 #98
I miss woo too. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #97
Woo and I were both on that thread, supporting Sanders's statement. merrily Oct 2015 #99
I really wish she'd come back. Zorra Oct 2015 #100
I miss woo also azmom Oct 2015 #103
woo was one of my fovorites: bvar22 Oct 2015 #117
I learned so much from her posts. azmom Oct 2015 #118
Me three. hifiguy Oct 2015 #129
It is incredibly uplifting LWolf Oct 2015 #26
Weird, isn't it? How people are attacking you for this op. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #27
I was just marveling at that. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #35
Why are they so obsessed with some DUers? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #36
Jarts. A perfect hobby for them. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #37
It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #40
Shhhhhh MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #50
They've added a slide show on the front page, Nothing can stop them now. MoveIt Oct 2015 #89
When the one you get is earned, it means that much more than those that are not tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #30
I saw my first campaign sign today... Ino Oct 2015 #31
Let's see, at this rate he'll have 3.64 endorsements by Nov. 8, 2016. ucrdem Oct 2015 #33
Shoot. You beat me to it! He'll have even less by the Dem convention. Which is when Persondem Oct 2015 #46
I'll be surprised if he makes it out of Iowa. ucrdem Oct 2015 #49
That's nothin' MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #51
;) sheshe2 Oct 2015 #144
I hope not. Zero was speaking volumes. One is okay, I guess, as long as it's Grijalva's and merrily Oct 2015 #74
The sad thing is that you see that as a plus. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #75
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #34
All that was needed for Bernie to get to where he is right now was for people to get to know him. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #44
And for people to be in pain MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #52
Yes, absolutely. Sadly people have to suffer themselves sometimes before they are ready sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #57
Politics is slow; good things and people take time. I'm babylonsister Oct 2015 #60
It's great to see the concerted attacks on the most liberal candidate Fearless Oct 2015 #92
"He can't win" is no longer heard HassleCat Oct 2015 #101
It's all grassroots baby. azmom Oct 2015 #104
Win or lose Bernie has done the Democratic Party a great favor. jalan48 Oct 2015 #105
Win or lose, Bernie has done all Americans a great favor. merrily Oct 2015 #111
I'm in total agreement with that. jalan48 Oct 2015 #112
Amen to that! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #114
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #116
It's a movement! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #119
Played at my house every Thanksgiving. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #140
I love when Manny posts! ybbor Oct 2015 #120
Getting in touch with one's inner child.... chknltl Oct 2015 #123
K&R NealK Oct 2015 #135
K&R NealK Oct 2015 #136
The only endorsement I care about is at the Ballot box. Tommymac Oct 2015 #143
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
47. Your post is quintessentially you
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:59 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:56 PM - Edit history (1)

A synergy of and

Bravo!

(Someone please let me know the jury results, thanks.)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Yes ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

Because pointing out that you claim endorsements are unimportant until your guy gets a single, solitary endorsement ... then, endorsements are noteworthy ... is a straw man.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
55. Okay ... What DID you say? ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015

I'm expecting another "I didn't say what I apologized for saying" explanation.

This ought to good.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
59. I said what I said
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:43 AM
Oct 2015

It's in English.

Not very complex.

Some people, I suppose, will infer things to avoid the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. But the intellectually-honest won't.

And the intellectually-honest don't launch childish personal attacks, either.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
73. True, but don't you just have to love a failed "gotcha" attempt? I do.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:49 AM
Oct 2015

Especially when the fail remains a mystery to the "failor."

Apropos of nothing, I saw this 1988 film on TV. I can't remember if 1988 was before or after Mamet went politically insane and inane. However, it was a sweet and (very) mildly entertaining film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096259/

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
77. Give that fellow a graph with only two points on it,
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:19 AM
Oct 2015

and he'll claim that the only curve that can possibly connect those two dots is an elaborate and meandering one, which happens to create the letters that spell out some hateful phrase. Thus proving that the person who plotted the two dots was a terrible, awful human being who cleverly embeds hateful phrases.

All done up in a distinctive and delightful passive-aggressive package.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. My you are in such a twist ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

I read very well, thank you ... and No, it's not complex at all

I read your "Dear statisticians WE don't care about no endorsements ... only real people voting counts" OP for you saying you don't care about endorsements. (It really was a good piece)

Several people rec'd that OP ... adding comments that suggested that is how they understood that same meaning.

Now that my the Good Gentleman from the district to my South has endorsed Bernie, endorsement are a lagging indicator.

And Yes ... It is in English

Some people, I suppose, will infer things to avoid the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.


Yes ... you do.

But the intellectually-honest won't.


No ... We won't.

And the intellectually-honest don't launch childish personal attacks, either.


No ... We don't. But, how is that relevant here?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
79. That OP said none of what you claim
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:26 AM
Oct 2015

One could infer that a dog humping their leg is the reincarnation of Hedy Lamarr, who's fallen in love with them and returned to Earth as a dog purely for this opportunity, thus proving that a career in Hollywood awaits. But that might not be what's really going on.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. You just can't help yourself, can you? ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:41 AM
Oct 2015

"I didn't say what I said!" ...

"Well, what did you say?" ...

"Not that!"

"Well, what did you say!?!"

"{insert randomly generated, but unresponsive comment here} ... So, there!"

carla

(553 posts)
93. I clearly understood
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

it to mean that one can build a viable political campaign if one wields the truth, that "from tiny acorns can grow mighty oaks", to put it poetically. Eventually the endorsement is frosting on a cake, the same cake many said would never rise, never be baked, never get frosted and never be divided up and shared with the American people. 1StrongBlackMan, is it that you really dislike democracy or is it that you just like to appear to be smarter and sharper than the rest of us? I understand now why many want to jury you...though I prefer to engage you directly because I already have a very good idea what you are going to say. I wish you peace and the temperament to start to actually attempt to understand what others say...at least as much as you want us to respect your POV.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
102. Okay, I'm back ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

But first a question.

You got all that from this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251647636

1StrongBlackMan, is it that you really dislike democracy or is it that you just like to appear to be smarter and sharper than the rest of us?


Neither.

I wish you peace and the temperament to start to actually attempt to understand what others say...at least as much as you want us to respect your POV.


Thank you.


tech3149

(4,452 posts)
106. Can you refute the idea that those that have major party support
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

don't wish to bite the hand that feeds them? I posit that anyone who has major party support will only endorse Sanders when it is clear that there is no alternative.
The unfortunate reality is that Sanders isn't just running against whatever nut job Republican is put before us. He's also running against corporate media and the elite of the Democratic party.
I have no doubt that this was understood long before he committed to run. As has been said before, should you care to listen, this campaign isn't so much about one person as it is to start the revolutionary change we need to take back control of a totally corrupt political system.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
113. No. I can't. ... Can you refute the idea ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:11 PM
Oct 2015

That the people that have worked with him for 30 years, just aren't into him?

There is no doubt, Bernie is running into strong institutional/establishment headwinds.

And yes, I have heard the revolutionary talk ... I just don't think, but a small segment of America, is ready for/invested in that change.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
141. It's sort of funny you would ask that question
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:23 PM
Oct 2015

since he has been elected for more than a decade with overwhelming support. How many candidates for office have won in the last thirty years with a double digit advantage over their competitors? Not many and usually in uncontested or weakly contested races.
As far as the revolution talk? The percentage of the populous that is needed to swing public opinion has never been significant, generally about 3%.
What most of the power structure and pundit class are unwilling or incapable of accepting is that we are living in a different world today. All of the alternative means of communication bypass the major media and make them virtually irrelevant.
As a tired old man I'm so thankful that my grandkids are about to break the chains that keep us bound to power structures that enslave us.
I could be wrong but I'm still going to work for the best alternative future rather than just taking the est I think I can get.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
142. Why? ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015
he has been elected for more than a decade with overwhelming support. How many candidates for office have won in the last thirty years with a double digit advantage over their competitors? Not many and usually in uncontested or weakly contested races.


It's insular Vermont!

As far as the revolution talk? The percentage of the populous that is needed to swing public opinion has never been significant, generally about 3%.


Source?

What most of the power structure and pundit class are unwilling or incapable of accepting is that we are living in a different world today. All of the alternative means of communication bypass the major media and make them virtually irrelevant.


Yes. I read Ezra Klein's (I think it was his) article, too; but, haven't seem academic corroboration. Until then, I will stick with the data that suggests this is true for, really, only about 25% of the population ... the other 75% still watch the nightly (and cable) news. (citation omitted, due to admitted laziness)

I could be wrong but I'm still going to work for the best alternative future rather than just taking the est I think I can get.


I can't/won't fault you for that ... my peoples' history, and my life's experience, has taught me differently ... you hope and fight for the best alternative; then, you take what is the most likely winning choice.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
107. I'm assuming that Rep. John Lewis' endorsement of Sec Clinton is unimportant to you
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

based on your snarky sig line, which seems to belittle "marching with Martin".

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
108. What we are looking at is a war between the grassroots 99% and the Wash DC Party Elitists.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

The DC Democratic Elitists naturally choose Clinton. They all fear the grassroots. The system is rigged against the grassroots for a reason.

I wonder why you seem to choose the Elitist's side. They won't help you with your agenda. Something doesn't make sense.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
2. Why are you bringing up ...
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:54 PM
Oct 2015

... the fact that BS now as one Congressional endorsement?

We've been reading for weeks here about how they don't matter, and no one respects Congress-people anyway because they're all bought-and-paid-for.

Now that BS has one endorsement, it looks like his supporters are "evolving" on the issue.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
122. like this post you made to Manny of Oct 5? (an exchange you began)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

NanceGreggs (17,654 posts)

21. I'm not getting into this.

It is of no consequence.

You already know which of your assertions - here tonight and in other posts - are revisionist history. You've always known.

As for me, I've absolutely zero interest in debating the point.

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
32. Cheap at twice the price!
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oct 2015

But you may get alerted on because humor is very, VERY BAD!
Yes, you've been a bad Manny and you must be punished!
You know your name has been put on THE LIST!

Seriously, Manny - you are a highlight of my time on DU.
Thanks for all you do!

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
38. Proud to have his endorsement, but let's face it, Bernie won't get many as their Donors told
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:50 PM
Oct 2015

them not to. Later when they see how well he does and realize the American people are really fed up with the corruption caused by campaign donations, it will be too late for an endorsement. When Bernie is elected President, many will start to come out and support his policies because they will figure out that all of that campaign money will still not get them elected.

But to your point, the political endorsements mean little when it's Hillary because they are told to do it and because they want to protect the campaign donation gravy train. Bernie as you know by now has said that Publicly Funded Elections are the most important issue facing our country. The ability to buy politicians with campaign donations is the ROOT PROBLEM facing our country!

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
86. Awwww
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

Is your ignore button broken?

Did you know that you can customize your own DU experience and you wouldn't have to see ANY of that pesky dissent.

Save your 10 bucks for Bernie.

NealK

(1,851 posts)
95. I'll donate a quarter.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:42 AM
Oct 2015

That's more than enough for that one. And since I never put anyone on ignore it would be moronic to bring up the broken button again. It was lame the first time anyway.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
121. Neither do I.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

So it's pretty arrogant to expect someone else to do something that you're not willing to do yourself.

Seems the person making the request has the issue.

Talk about lame...

btw... next time you can address me directly. I'm right here.

Of course, you know what you can do with your quarter too.

NealK

(1,851 posts)
124. Bless your heart!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

And say hello to jules, sending you an invite to that DU-trashing site was so nice and appropriate.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
126. and??
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

You're not very good at this.

Did you have a point in that mess?

btw...I've been a paying member here for 10 years.

NealK

(1,851 posts)
127. 10 years? So impressive!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

Some have been here for longer than that and got booted out anyway, they thought that they were bulletproof too. You really belong over there more than here, same mentality. BTW, do you take a shower after logging out of that disgusting little site?

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
130. yeah..
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

Look, Neal is it?

Neal...

I'm not going anywhere. Take a breath and wipe the spittle from your screen. Just know that you are in no position to tell
anybody where they belong or don't belong.

Until your name is attached to the PayPal account where I send my contributions to this site, I'll continue to post where I damn well please.

Got it?

NealK

(1,851 posts)
132. Hum, speaking of spittle I'm under the impression that you are foaming at the mouth right now.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

But otherwise you seem to be a lovely person.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
84. They're still not as important as public support...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:58 AM
Oct 2015

... which is still also on Hilary's side. But things change, I think is the thing to take away.

NealK

(1,851 posts)
94. So mature of them.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:41 AM
Oct 2015
Post by boston » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:51 pm

Give me a B. Give me an S.

What do you got?

BS

What does it mean?

Bull Shit

Give me a D

Give me a U

What do you got?

DU

What does it mean?

Deluded Untruth

Put em together

BSDU

What do you get?

Bull Shit Deluded Untruth

BSDU
BSDU


http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=480


NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
64. I understand my posts perfectly well.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:34 AM
Oct 2015

Apparently, you don't.

I asked Manny why he was bringing up BS's endorsement, after the BS supporters have all been quite vociferous about the fact that congressional endorsements are meaningless, and are given by people no one respects because they're bought-and-paid-for.

Now, precisely where does that equate to saying that people are "fawning over" endorsements?

I did say that perhaps BS supporters were "evolving" on the issue. Is that where your confusion lies? Do you think "evolving" and "fawning" mean the same thing?

You can use Google to find the definition of words, you know. Maybe you should look up "fawning", and then come back and explain how anything I said could be construed as meaning "fawning".

TIA

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
65. I don't require Google to interpret your posts.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:37 AM
Oct 2015

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from perfectly.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
66. Okay.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:39 AM
Oct 2015

So explain how my reply to Manny's OP equated to saying that people were "fawning over endorsements".

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
67. I don't think I need to explain your own post to you. Nor do I want to.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:41 AM
Oct 2015

I think I hear another site calling your name.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
68. In other words ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:47 AM
Oct 2015

... you can't even conjure up even the most tenuous connection between what you claimed I said and what I actually said.

But we both knew that all along, didn't we?

You know what they say about bringing a knife to a gunfight? You brought a spoon.






















NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
138. The guy left sitting there with his spoon ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:44 PM
Oct 2015

... always thinks he won.

That thought stems from the same delusion that led him to show up armed with a spoon in the first place.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
85. So which is the more significant thing...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:02 AM
Oct 2015

... Bernie supporters being pleased with ONE endorsement or Hillary supporters no longer being able to say he has NONE?

If YOU believe endorsements matter, the story about Bernie has changed, whether you think his supporters are inconsistent or not.

There's no point complaining about his supporters. Nobody's voting for them.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
139. If HRC supporters want to opine on BS's endorsements ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:54 PM
Oct 2015

... there's little difference between none and one.

It's very telling either way about a man who has had a lengthy career in politics, and yet his colleagues are keeping their distance from supporting his presidential ambitions.

Now, you can ramble on about how HRC is "buying" endorsements, or how her colleagues are all "terrified" of the Clinton Smear Machine, etc. The truth is that the people who have worked with BS and know him well are NOT interested in supporting him.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
145. ... providing the entire endorsement machine has anything to do with wanting to work with people...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:19 PM
Oct 2015

... instead of sticking on the right side.

It's interesting that you included the obvious response to your point within it and spun it away as "rambling on", but "ramling on" is just another way of saying "speaking".

"Oh you may ramble on about the Iraq War being a mistake but the truth is that we were defending the US from terrorists."

You an say whatever you want, obviously, but if you need to ancitipate and explicitly disallow my counterpoint it can really only be because you haven't got a substantive answer to it.

It's not at all difficult to do that. Unfortunately it's me you're doing it with and I can tell.

I don't particularly weight Bernie's new endorsement. I am interested in the reaction to it. It's quite telling.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that many people on this board are supporting Clinton almost entirely through previous grduges against fellow DUers on other subjects because THEY support Sanders.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
12. *Offers buckets to Team Hillary members*
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

You guys better start bailing instead of trying to poke holes in the other boat...you're standing in a lot of water already

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. I personally wish he'd stayed at zero all the way through
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

No political endorsements but scads of cultural ones.

Why yes, people do tell me I'm foolish, why do you ask?

Paka

(2,760 posts)
22. K&R
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

Personally I think endorsements are better when they are genuine as opposed to arm-twisted, reward-promised, scare-tactic gained.

Just a thought.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
39. ... and best when they show courage :)
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015

Endorsements of those who put their fingers to the wind so as to be on the winning side/avoid retribution don't count for much to me.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. K&R.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

Patience.

I talk to voters everywhere I go. Today, I took things to Goodwill and talked to the employees there about Bernie. I invited them to our debate party.

Everywhere I go, I try to spread the word. So far people are delighted to hear about Bernie.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
25. woo me with science was the first DUer to actively support Bernie for Prez.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:05 PM
Oct 2015

woo was supporting Bernie before Bernie even knew he was going to run.


on edit: check out this post from back in May!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6743725

merrily

(45,251 posts)
72. I love woo and miss her so much. I hope all the time that she is well and happy.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:38 AM
Oct 2015

However, that post is dated May 28, 2015. On April 30, 2015, Bernie had made an informal announcement that he was running for President and the Sanders Group had already posted its SOP. By May 28, 2015, I and others had already donated to his campaign and signed up at his website as volunteers.

Also:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025534410

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025541280

I don't know if I was the first DUer so to do, but I was for encouraging Sanders to run well before May 2015.

Response to merrily (Reply #72)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
117. woo was one of my fovorites:
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015
The goal of the assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.

It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
129. Me three.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 06:33 PM
Oct 2015

woo was one of my most favorite DUers. No one posted more genuine information except possibly Octafish. Come home, woo, we miss you.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
26. It is incredibly uplifting
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

to come home from a very, very long day to good news waiting for me at the 'puter.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
27. Weird, isn't it? How people are attacking you for this op.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

I guess Bernie's not the only one who can't do anything right.

Thanks, TWM!



 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
35. I was just marveling at that.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:37 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe we should visit HillaryClintonSupporters.com to get the low down.

Again, that's HillaryClintonSupporters.com. I start each day there, you should too.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. Why are they so obsessed with some DUers?
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

Don't they have other hobbies?

I like horseback riding and kayaking.

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
89. They've added a slide show on the front page, Nothing can stop them now.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:19 AM
Oct 2015

50% Grey is such a readable font color, and I like how they scale up the 300x170 to maximum width, to make her look extra wide.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
33. Let's see, at this rate he'll have 3.64 endorsements by Nov. 8, 2016.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:25 PM
Oct 2015


p.s. that includes Rep. Grijalva's.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
46. Shoot. You beat me to it! He'll have even less by the Dem convention. Which is when
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

the Sanders bus runs out of gas.

Also, in the world of endorsements it will take 5 or 6 Grijalvas to equal 1 John L. Lewis.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
49. I'll be surprised if he makes it out of Iowa.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:38 PM
Oct 2015

And if Biden gets in I'll be surprised if he gets to Iowa.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
74. I hope not. Zero was speaking volumes. One is okay, I guess, as long as it's Grijalva's and
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:10 AM
Oct 2015

not Debbie Republican Shultz's. But, 3.64 might cloud the issues.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
75. The sad thing is that you see that as a plus.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:13 AM
Oct 2015

Which shows me that you think having endorsements and delegates are okay to overrule the people. I can only surmise , therefore, that you don't actually believe in true Democracy.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. All that was needed for Bernie to get to where he is right now was for people to get to know him.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015

And when the rest of the people get to know him, can you even imagine what will happen?

Who ever thought he would be where he is now just a few months ago?

This is going to snowball.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
52. And for people to be in pain
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie wouldn't have caught on years back, I think, because people still believed in fairy tales about the magic of the Job Creators. Getting steamrolled has woken us up a bit.

Otherwise, I agree 1,000% with your post.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
57. Yes, absolutely. Sadly people have to suffer themselves sometimes before they are ready
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:29 AM
Oct 2015

admit, things are not as they were told they were.

To the criminals who are in charge right now, should have kept the people 'comfortable' but Greed and corruption are not capable of rational thinking. They just keep wanting more. History shows this pattern over and over again until the people have had ENOUGH.

Our very own greedheads would do well to remember the French Revolution, and in fact our own.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
92. It's great to see the concerted attacks on the most liberal candidate
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

Continue unabashed and unabated. Just warms the heart so.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
101. "He can't win" is no longer heard
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

In fact, there is growing recognition that Sanders could draw very well from independents and moderate Republicans. Some people, including yours truly, think he would do better in the general election than Clinton.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
104. It's all grassroots baby.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:04 PM
Oct 2015

The revolution is just getting started.

I'm having a debate party in my new neighborhood. Introducing Bernie to new people hopefully.

Keep working folks. Together there is nothing we can't do.

Bernie

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
105. Win or lose Bernie has done the Democratic Party a great favor.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:25 PM
Oct 2015

He's managed to put a pin in the balloon of the Conservative Democratic leadership which has claimed for years now that people like Hilary Clinton represent all Democrats, she doesn't. Maybe the Party is ready to go back to the left after decades of trying to look like Ronald Reagan.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
114. Amen to that!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

Even the local Fox affiliate here talks about Bernie Sanders and his record breaking crowds! He's doing baby!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
119. It's a movement!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015
And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said FIFTY people a day . . .
Walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walkin' out? Friends,
They may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE ALICE'S
RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT! . . . and all you gotta do to join is to
Sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LNLE5z7jNaM#t=880




Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
140. Played at my house every Thanksgiving.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

Sucker still cracks me up and I love to see the reactions of the youngins who've never heard it before. Priceless.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
123. Getting in touch with one's inner child....
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 05:26 PM
Oct 2015

.... is generally a good thing but not always. It's a Manny thread so it gets an auto-rec from me anyway.

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