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RandySF

(57,591 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:38 PM Oct 2015

Bernie's message to 'Urban America": Respect rural gun culture.

"I can understand if some Democrats or Republicans represent an urban area where people don't hunt, don't do target practice, they're not into guns," Sanders continued. "But in my state, people go hunting and do target practice. Talking about cultural divides in this country, you know, it is important for people in urban America to understand that families go out together and kids go out together and they hunt and enjoy the outdoors, and that is a lifestyle that should not be condemned."


http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/02/npr-bernie-sanders-gun-control

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Bernie's message to 'Urban America": Respect rural gun culture. (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2015 OP
Whether or not we agree with it, Bernie's stand on guns is pitch perfect for Middle America. reformist2 Oct 2015 #1
No it's not. Hunters don't hunt with handguns and assault rifles brush Oct 2015 #5
Nobody in their right mind wants to ban Aerows Oct 2015 #11
You do realize that Bernie voted to ban assault weapons, right? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #12
No its not ... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #13
Which part specifically? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34
This... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #49
Source that it's not pitch perfect for middle America? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #51
Lawsuits smilingwen Oct 2015 #78
Give it a rest. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #2
D+ is bad enough and it was a political rating at best, we not that already uponit7771 Oct 2015 #14
Huh? I don't know what that meant. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #17
You don't understand getting anything other than a F- from NRA is still bad? The group is lead by uponit7771 Oct 2015 #19
What I didn't understand is what your post meant. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #32
Yes, the NRA gives out Fs and Sanders should have gotten one and there;s this too uponit7771 Oct 2015 #41
It does not give out F-minuses. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #43
Mindless bullcrap. Aerows Oct 2015 #61
There's no such thing as an F- Fearless Oct 2015 #79
Obama and Hillary on respecting "gun culture" in rural areas: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #3
any of them shill for gun corps? tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #15
One of them sent my brother to Ramadi to fight an illegal war. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18
The guy who voted to protect the people who made the soldiers guns?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #22
One of them sat on the board of the largest gun retailer in the world, too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
Did that person vote to protect the gun corporations right to make a dangerous item more dangerous? uponit7771 Oct 2015 #25
Where is that piece of legislation? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #26
See Sanders, he can point right to it no? tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #29
LMAO! So you can't? That's what I thought. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #30
Sigh, me picking up the chess pieces is not surrendering ... link and quote inside uponit7771 Oct 2015 #37
Point out the part you referenced. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #39
I've lived in the South all of my life Aerows Oct 2015 #16
Some people are completely clueless when it comes to the difference between rural and urban gun use. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21
Feral hogs are becoming an increasing problem Aerows Oct 2015 #27
Coyotes are a real problem in some areas. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28
I saw a neat little video about a donkey protector Aerows Oct 2015 #40
A lot of the farmers buy them just for that reason. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
It is, and they are very good at Aerows Oct 2015 #52
Some people are clueless of the fact that some people were purposefully kept away from uponit7771 Oct 2015 #31
. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #33
What? Aerows Oct 2015 #35
I as a black man do not have the same right to open carry as a white person in a rural area uponit7771 Oct 2015 #46
Open carry Aerows Oct 2015 #50
Who? When? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #48
He makes a good point...I agree with him. Suich Oct 2015 #4
If the NRA or other similar groups can produce a better plan then I am open to listening. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #6
I don't think that waiting on the NRA is going to be a productive strategy for you. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #7
This post made a huge smokin' hole in the ground. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #8
+1000 baran Oct 2015 #9
He's 3 for 3 tonight. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10
Hunting is a cowardly act Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #20
"Most people don't even eat the animals they kill." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #23
We always ate what my dad hunted. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #42
If my family hadn't hunted in the winter, we would have starved. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #80
Fuck that. zappaman Oct 2015 #36
Holy Cow! Aerows Oct 2015 #45
Ha! zappaman Oct 2015 #47
And Obama's and Hillary's words? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #54
Is this your "gotcha" moment? zappaman Oct 2015 #62
So you're saying "fuck that" to Obama and Hillary too. Good, I like consistency! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63
And saying you bore me. zappaman Oct 2015 #65
The facts always bore certain people. That's why I like posting them! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66
For somebody so easily bored by Aerows Oct 2015 #72
Yeah, but you said what you really think Aerows Oct 2015 #57
Fuck "gun culture". zappaman Oct 2015 #64
I agree, Fuck Gun Culture Aerows Oct 2015 #68
I think I can. I think I can. I think I can . . . Get people to dislike Bernie Sanders Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #38
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #74
Martin O’Malley, citing his record in Maryland, asserts himself on gun control. elleng Oct 2015 #53
Yes, O'Malley walks the walk. No doubt about it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #55
Thanks, scottie!!! elleng Oct 2015 #56
Don't mention it! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58
I'm chiming in - I love O'Malley Aerows Oct 2015 #59
So good to see it from you, Aerows! elleng Oct 2015 #60
I'm blunt in my opinions, but Aerows Oct 2015 #67
Fingers crossed. elleng Oct 2015 #69
I think he will. He seems like a guy who would thrive in a bit of an underdog role. I like that. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #75
On the whole, though Aerows Oct 2015 #76
Agreed. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #77
Lets see Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #70
Wise words, thanks for posting! arcane1 Oct 2015 #71
Is it a position of consensus that Democrats are opposed to gun ownership Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #73
His call rings hollow with me ... LannyDeVaney Oct 2015 #81

brush

(53,467 posts)
5. No it's not. Hunters don't hunt with handguns and assault rifles
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:51 PM
Oct 2015

They hunt with shotguns and rifles which should no one is called for banning as they can also be used for home protection.

People in urban areas don't want to hear what seems like excuses for the gun industry which keeps churning out millions of handguns and assault rifles that are designed for nothing but shooting PEOPLE, not game.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. Nobody in their right mind wants to ban
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:12 AM
Oct 2015

rifles and shotguns. Those in semi-rural and rural environments know exactly what I'm talking about.

You don't hunt with a damn handgun, or with a damn assault rifle.

If you want home protection, anybody staring down the barrel of a shotgun is going to wet their pants.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
49. This...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:44 AM
Oct 2015
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit liability lawsuits from being brought against gun manufacturers and dealers based on the criminal misuse of firearms. The bill would also block these actions from being brought up against gun trade organizations and against ammunition makers and sellers. The measure would apply immediately to any pending cases. Several specific exceptions to the ban exist. This includes civil suits would be allowed against a maker or dealer who "knowingly and willfully violated" state or federal laws in the selling or marketing of a weapon. Design and manufacturing defect lawsuits are also permitted when weapons are "used as intended.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill HR 1036 ; vote number 2003-124 on Apr 9, 2003

smilingwen

(52 posts)
78. Lawsuits
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:58 AM
Oct 2015

against gun makers because someone misuses them is like suing auto companies when a driver decides to drive off a cliff. Criminal misuse can be perpetrated by a hammer if you hit someone over the head with it. Bernie was right to vote against it.
He has voted FOR banning assault weapons and FOR background checks.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
2. Give it a rest.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

The NRA gives Bernie a D+ rating. And some people in this country do, in fact, hunt, sometimes in order to feed their families.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
19. You don't understand getting anything other than a F- from NRA is still bad? The group is lead by
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

.. bunch of straight up assholes.

Somehow D+ is something to tout?!

and it was political they rated him THAT low... people know that ...

the NRA won him his first election to office... we know that too.

I pray Bernie isn't trying to distance himself from his stance on guns now...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
32. What I didn't understand is what your post meant.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:32 AM
Oct 2015

It didn't make any sense.

As to your explanation: I am not privy to the decision-making process of the NRA, but I don't think they have an F- rating. Bernie's positions on gun control are generally consistent with those of most other Democrats, including Obama's and Hillary's - at least as she explained it in 2008, before the wind started blowing in a little different direction. In any event, a D- rating hardly qualifies one as a gun nut (I made a mistake in my original post; Sanders got a D-, not a D+).

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
41. Yes, the NRA gives out Fs and Sanders should have gotten one and there;s this too
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:38 AM
Oct 2015

...

Reference: Bill introduced by McCollum, R-FL; Bill HR 2122 ; vote number 1999-244 on Jun 18, 1999

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Obama and Hillary on respecting "gun culture" in rural areas:
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:47 PM
Oct 2015
Gun-Control Advocates Should Listen More, Obama Says

"I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations and I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."

His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.

"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says


Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747



Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008


But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. Where is that piece of legislation?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015

Can you link to the specific part where it allows "gun corporations right to make a dangerous item more dangerous?"

Oh, and define "dangerous". Do you mean defective weapons or those that work as designed?

Tia!


uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
37. Sigh, me picking up the chess pieces is not surrendering ... link and quote inside
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:35 AM
Oct 2015

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill HR 1036 ; vote number 2003-124 on Apr 9, 2003

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. I've lived in the South all of my life
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:17 AM
Oct 2015

I don't even KNOW anybody that isn't completely capable of shooting a rifle. Girls, Boys, we get rounded up at about 10 and taught how to operate Daddy's rifle.

It probably sounds weird to some, but we were taught safety, maintenance and operation.

None of the kids I knew then went on to shoot up a movie theater. Most don't even have a handgun because they are just a weapon, not a tool. Rifles are tools.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. Some people are completely clueless when it comes to the difference between rural and urban gun use.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:21 AM
Oct 2015

Out here they're a necessity.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. Feral hogs are becoming an increasing problem
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:27 AM
Oct 2015

even in semi-rural neighborhoods. If you want to go out and just yell at a feral hog, or turn the water hose at it, that's just fine. I'll go get a rifle before it kills somebody, a pet or tears up the garden.

100lbs+ of tusked aggressive attitude in the backyard isn't going to end well if you try to convince it to "play nice".

We don't have coyotes here, but in some respects, I wish we would just to keep the damn feral pig population down.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. Coyotes are a real problem in some areas.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:28 AM
Oct 2015

Out here they have plenty to eat and the horses chase them out of the pasture when they get in.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. I saw a neat little video about a donkey protector
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:38 AM
Oct 2015

The donkey confronted the coyotes head on, flashing it's hooves and braying. Kicking in a 360° angle.

They are some hardy characters, and are loyal as heck.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
31. Some people are clueless of the fact that some people were purposefully kept away from
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

... rural areas by the US government and don't have the same rights as rural people to own and operate guns so of course there's little perspective of them seeing their effects on the places urban folk live.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. What?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:34 AM
Oct 2015

Could you explain this post that people "don't have the same rights as rural people to own and operate guns"?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
46. I as a black man do not have the same right to open carry as a white person in a rural area
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:41 AM
Oct 2015

... does.

The 2A in its implementation is a whites only law

The effects of guns where I used to live is negative and blacks were kept away from rural area farming by the USDA lending practices so of course "urban people" (sigh... come on dude) don't have the same view on guns as rural folk

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. Open carry
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015

as in waving rifles in the street is ridiculous.

How does that reflect on folks that keep long gun firearms to protect their homes and property from predators?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. If the NRA or other similar groups can produce a better plan then I am open to listening.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oct 2015

Right now what we have is not working well, we need immediate action.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
8. This post made a huge smokin' hole in the ground.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

Ya can't get supertankers full of fail to fly. Stop trying.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
20. Hunting is a cowardly act
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:20 AM
Oct 2015

Most people don't even eat the animals they kill.

They're slaughtered for no reason other than to satisfy the hunter's ego, much like how that dentist killed Cecil.

Fuckers.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
42. We always ate what my dad hunted.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:39 AM
Oct 2015

We had pheasant every Thanksgiving dinner when I was a kid. I'm not a fan of hunting myself, but I've known a lot of hunters and all of them hunt for meat, not for trophies. I absolutely agree that trophy hunting is disgusting, but most hunters are not trophy hunters. Very few people can afford to go to Africa to hunt elephants and lions; a lot of people can, and do, go out in the woods and hunt for pheasants and grouse to eat.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
47. Ha!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:44 AM
Oct 2015

Unfortunately, I was responding to Sanders words.
I'm pretty fed up with "gun culture" these days.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. And Obama's and Hillary's words?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:59 AM
Oct 2015
Gun-Control Advocates Should Listen More, Obama Says

"I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations and I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."

His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.

"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.

"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says


Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns

Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747



Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008


But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
38. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can . . . Get people to dislike Bernie Sanders
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:36 AM
Oct 2015

based a whole lot of bullshit.

I don't like gun-nuts but my hunting family are not gun nuts. They would be for sensible gun legislation. They would agree with Bernie.

elleng

(130,126 posts)
53. Martin O’Malley, citing his record in Maryland, asserts himself on gun control.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:58 AM
Oct 2015

O’Malley, a former mayor of Baltimore, called for four reforms on the national level: a ban on “combat assault weapons”; a requirement that those who purchase guns get licenses and be fingerprinted; a law making gun trafficking a federal crime; and a commitment from the federal government to purchase firearms only from companies that use “the latest and best safety technology.”

“I know that not everyone in this room has made a decision about what candidate you will support,” O’Malley said Sunday night. “But I also know this is New Hampshire and that some of you have. So I’m asking supporters of Senator Sanders to please urge Senator Sanders to back these four common-sense provisions that I just laid out to reduce gun violence. And I am asking the supporters of Secretary Clinton to please urge Secretary Clinton to back the specific provisions that I just laid out.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/04/martin-omalley-citing-his-record-in-maryland-asserts-himself-on-gun-control/

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
59. I'm chiming in - I love O'Malley
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

not ashamed to say so!

He is going to clean house in the debates.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
67. I'm blunt in my opinions, but
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:18 AM
Oct 2015

you never have to use a weathervane to determine who and what ideas I support.

I wish O'Malley was in Bernie's shoes at times, but I will bolster support for Bernie at every opportunity.

That doesn't mean I don't love O'Malley to the heart and soul. Maybe during the first debate (and I expect he will) knock it out of the park.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
75. I think he will. He seems like a guy who would thrive in a bit of an underdog role. I like that.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:50 AM
Oct 2015

I think America likes that.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
76. On the whole, though
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:01 AM
Oct 2015

America is sick of Clintons and Bushs. We want someone positive for our country, not just another politico looking to feather their own nest.

I definitely am sick of those two dynastic political factions. That isn't what America is about.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
70. Lets see
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:24 AM
Oct 2015
How is Hillary Clinton going to take on the massive amounts of illegal guns in "Urban America"

As an African-American I always find odd that so called pro-control folks only get rile up when the victims are poc

In any major city you can illegal handgun for $100 or even less - What gun control measure is going to stop that ? if there already in massive amounts of guns in underground market ?

Kids were being massacred by guns in the "Urban America" way before Newton - yet the problem has yet to be solved

Illegal guns to me and my peers real threat or does that even matter since it happens in "Urban America"






Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
73. Is it a position of consensus that Democrats are opposed to gun ownership
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:36 AM
Oct 2015

right to bear arms etc..?

I only ask because I have never seen one thing that leads me to believe that people who vote Democrat are largely against gun rights. I ask this as someone who stands in the middle as I do not own a gun, don't plan to own a gun but also do not hold stringent views on their control or banning outside of getting rid of loopholes and requiring better checks and balances, and better laws to hold people accountable for gun crimes.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
81. His call rings hollow with me ...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

It's not like they don't hunt in Australia.

And seriously, thousands of deaths are the cost so some families can go outside and target practice?

His excuse makes no sense at all.

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