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Related: About this forumThe pope name-dropped a radical Catholic activist, and Bernie Sanders couldn’t be happier
By David Weigel September 24 at 12:02 PM
Bernie Sanders (2nd row down, center) liked what he heard. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was the lone Democratic presidential hopeful -- and the only Jewish contender -- in the House chamber for Pope Francis's speech. When he left, he was beaming, as the pope had cited an American Catholic whom Sanders had plenty of praise for.
"The name Dorothy Day has not been used in the United States Congress terribly often," said Sanders in a short interview. "She was a valiant fighter for workers, was very strong in her belief for social justice, and I think it was extraordinary that he cited her as one of the most important people in recent American history. This would be one of the very, very few times that somebody as radical as Dorothy Day was mentioned."
Day was arguably the least famous of the four Americans Francis cited in the speech, but she was a vital and controversial figure on the American left. Like Martin Luther King -- also cited by Francis -- she had a thick FBI file, compiled by agents tracking her support for democratic socialism and opposition to foreign wars. "We need to change the system," Day wrote in 1956. "We need to overthrow, not the government, as the authorities are always accusing the Communists 'of conspiring to teach (us) to do,' but this rotten, decadent, putrid industrial capitalist system which breeds such suffering in the whited sepulcher of New York."
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Sanders, well aware of Day's views and her critics, considered it bold and telling that Francis would praise her. "He is willing to identify with an extraordinarily courageous woman whose life was about standing with the poorest people in America, and having the courage to stand up to the very powerful," he said. "You know, her newspaper was the Catholic Worker, and she stood with the workers of America and fought for justice."
The Vermont senator was less concerned by Francis's glancing mentions of other issues that animate progressives, such as climate change and gay rights. "He knew where he was speaking," said Sanders. "I think he does not want to be rude, as a guest. But I think his calling out for social justice, his talking about income and wealth inequality, his talking about creating an economy and a culture that works for everybody, not just a few, is a very, very powerful message."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/24/the-pope-name-dropped-a-radical-catholic-activist-and-bernie-sanders-couldnt-be-happier/
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)The looks on some of the faces....
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'd think Bush was talking.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 06:44 AM - Edit history (3)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)like some in the photo do.
Bernie looks more thoughtful - quiet in thought.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm loving Pope Francis visit to the US.
peace.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Bonus points for having both of my senators in the pic. 😀
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)Thanks for the thread, Catherina.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Yikes.
harun
(11,348 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In the red tie - one row up from Bernie?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In the top row over Sanders?
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)TygrBright
(20,756 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)I wonder what that's about too? Guess it was Bebe's benefit? .
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Can this seriously be something that you actually believe?
2banon
(7,321 posts)I didn't state my question as a direct fact. I asked a question. as in: answer as to why there is star of david emblem on each of the seats , was it for Bebe's benefit? As in: "show of support for Israel" or "show of support for his position against the Iran deal".. or whatever fill in the blank.
A question for petty's sake. good grief. get over yourself.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That you think there could even be a possible scenario where Stars of David would be placed on all the seats of the House Chamber for "Bebe's benefit" is fascinating.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)TygrBright
(20,756 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And the Pope closed his sermon with an attack on LGBT families. My vote is now fully up for grabs.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)We still have a long way to go
Armstead
(47,803 posts)From what I've read, she was sexually active when young, then got religion and went in the opposite direction to become very puratinnical.
And those days, attitudes about homosexuality were very different.
Most great people have feet of clay of some sort....But doesn't mean their positive accomplishments should be disregarded.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of course, we HAVE come a very long way in the many decades since.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hardly the late 1800s.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)almost everyone felt that way. She was a free thinker; if she'd been the age I was in the '60s she likely would felt much the the way my friends and I did. Instead she was in her 60s. And she had become GENUINELY religious long before. Religion wasn't just a label she had pasted on her forehead when born and never questioned.
Some of us have a tendency to despise members of groups we don't like anyway for something we consider a fault in them, dismissing all their good qualities and achievements to focus on that bias-enabling feature. Bias is bias, even when it's based on reasons society doesn't slap people down for -- bias based on skin color is seen as "despicable," but bias based on different beliefs is perfectly acceptable -- Hey, "We're all entitled to our opinions." I don't buy that.
Further people aren't black and white. We're many-multi-faceted, and the best of us have some magnificent sparkles among their duller parts and black holes. Like this woman.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think it is a shame that she was unable to stand out from the crowd in this regard (as some others did).
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)back then, at least close relatives.
I'm guessing Ms. Day's problem was a factor of her strength -- a tendency to extremism. It served her well in her battle for the wellbeing of others, but it also lead to her total commitment to a religion that was not enlightened. Nothing halfway about her.
This is reminding me that the Vatican II advancements were around mid century, but of course they did not include acceptance of LGBT. Maybe all the discussion of that relative revolution was why she spoke on this issue at all. All it meant to me was that our elementary school cafeteria no longer had to serve fish on Fridays.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Bernie is Studious ....ingesting, thinking....because he's know all this for Decades..
Two Good Folks....!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and the Pope is just saying what everyone with a brain and heart knows to be the truth.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)kind of blowing all their arguments against the poor and most vulnerable members of this society.
Like all hypocrites, most of them who formerly used Popes to bolster their positions, are more than a little upset with this pope. I'm sure he expects it.