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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:34 PM Sep 2015

The pope name-dropped a radical Catholic activist, and Bernie Sanders couldn’t be happier

The pope name-dropped a radical Catholic activist, and Bernie Sanders couldn’t be happier

By David Weigel September 24 at 12:02 PM


Bernie Sanders (2nd row down, center) liked what he heard. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was the lone Democratic presidential hopeful -- and the only Jewish contender -- in the House chamber for Pope Francis's speech. When he left, he was beaming, as the pope had cited an American Catholic whom Sanders had plenty of praise for.

"The name Dorothy Day has not been used in the United States Congress terribly often," said Sanders in a short interview. "She was a valiant fighter for workers, was very strong in her belief for social justice, and I think it was extraordinary that he cited her as one of the most important people in recent American history. This would be one of the very, very few times that somebody as radical as Dorothy Day was mentioned."

Day was arguably the least famous of the four Americans Francis cited in the speech, but she was a vital and controversial figure on the American left. Like Martin Luther King -- also cited by Francis -- she had a thick FBI file, compiled by agents tracking her support for democratic socialism and opposition to foreign wars. "We need to change the system," Day wrote in 1956. "We need to overthrow, not the government, as the authorities are always accusing the Communists 'of conspiring to teach (us) to do,' but this rotten, decadent, putrid industrial capitalist system which breeds such suffering in the whited sepulcher of New York."

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Sanders, well aware of Day's views and her critics, considered it bold and telling that Francis would praise her. "He is willing to identify with an extraordinarily courageous woman whose life was about standing with the poorest people in America, and having the courage to stand up to the very powerful," he said. "You know, her newspaper was the Catholic Worker, and she stood with the workers of America and fought for justice."

The Vermont senator was less concerned by Francis's glancing mentions of other issues that animate progressives, such as climate change and gay rights. "He knew where he was speaking," said Sanders. "I think he does not want to be rude, as a guest. But I think his calling out for social justice, his talking about income and wealth inequality, his talking about creating an economy and a culture that works for everybody, not just a few, is a very, very powerful message."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/24/the-pope-name-dropped-a-radical-catholic-activist-and-bernie-sanders-couldnt-be-happier/
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The pope name-dropped a radical Catholic activist, and Bernie Sanders couldn’t be happier (Original Post) Catherina Sep 2015 OP
Bernie the Radical - to have an economy and culture that works for everyone. Skwmom Sep 2015 #1
Some of the faces? Every single one is priceless in this photo. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #3
Some of the expressions I find a little disturbing. Skwmom Sep 2015 #5
I must admit Bernie doesn't look overjoyed either Armstead Sep 2015 #20
I don't think he looks like he's smelling crap Fawke Em Sep 2015 #22
Now that looks like a fun time. lol. The Pope has given every one of them a reason to not like him. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #2
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #4
So happy to hear a public discussion of Dorothy Day Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #6
Kicked aidbo Sep 2015 #7
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #8
There's some interesting body language in that photo. cyberswede Sep 2015 #9
Awesomeness harun Sep 2015 #10
Who is the guy that appears to be sleeping? oberliner Sep 2015 #11
And the guy next to Elizabeth Warren. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #13
Sleeping guy to Warren's right is Jeff Merkley aidbo Sep 2015 #14
Any idea who the other guy is? oberliner Sep 2015 #18
Nope sorry aidbo Sep 2015 #19
Sen. Mark Warner I think Armstead Sep 2015 #21
So what's with the little Stars-of-David on the chair rails? n/t TygrBright Sep 2015 #12
observant.. I would have missed that had you not point it out. 2banon Sep 2015 #17
"Guess it was Bebe's benefit?" oberliner Sep 2015 #25
You didn't see the question mark : ? at the end of the question? 2banon Sep 2015 #31
There are no Star of David emblems on each of the seats oberliner Sep 2015 #32
Hmm.. 2banon Sep 2015 #38
Are they Stars-of_David or a Sheriff's badge? Fawke Em Sep 2015 #23
Six points. Most badges use 5 or 7. n/t TygrBright Sep 2015 #28
I was given a book about Day. She said homosexuals were repulsive to her. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #15
I wasn't aware of Day saying that Catherina Sep 2015 #16
Another time snother generation Armstead Sep 2015 #24
When she was born in the late 1800s that was normal. Happily, Hortensis Sep 2015 #27
She made these comments in the 1950s and 1960s oberliner Sep 2015 #35
Sorry, I stated it wrong. She was born, raised and lived in an era when Hortensis Sep 2015 #36
True - but there were some who had much more enlightened views on the subject oberliner Sep 2015 #37
I agree. My family was more enlightened on social issues Hortensis Sep 2015 #39
I'm not voting for the Pope, either. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #30
Thanks for the thread. Very informative. Kudos to Sanders. And the Pope. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #26
Love Elizabeth Warren with Contemplative/Wistful look....."what could have been..could be?" KoKo Sep 2015 #29
Bernie and Dorothy's views should be MAINSTREAM flamingdem Sep 2015 #33
Republican 'christians' are getting lessons they didn't want to hear from a christian leader. He's sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #34

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
1. Bernie the Radical - to have an economy and culture that works for everyone.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Sep 2015



The looks on some of the faces....

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. I don't think he looks like he's smelling crap
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
Sep 2015

like some in the photo do.

Bernie looks more thoughtful - quiet in thought.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
17. observant.. I would have missed that had you not point it out.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:55 PM
Sep 2015

I wonder what that's about too? Guess it was Bebe's benefit? .

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
31. You didn't see the question mark : ? at the end of the question?
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

I didn't state my question as a direct fact. I asked a question. as in: answer as to why there is star of david emblem on each of the seats , was it for Bebe's benefit? As in: "show of support for Israel" or "show of support for his position against the Iran deal".. or whatever fill in the blank.

A question for petty's sake. good grief. get over yourself.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. There are no Star of David emblems on each of the seats
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
Sep 2015

That you think there could even be a possible scenario where Stars of David would be placed on all the seats of the House Chamber for "Bebe's benefit" is fascinating.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. I was given a book about Day. She said homosexuals were repulsive to her.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

And the Pope closed his sermon with an attack on LGBT families. My vote is now fully up for grabs.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
16. I wasn't aware of Day saying that
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
Sep 2015
That's really disappointing. And even though it wasn't me, I'm sorry

We still have a long way to go
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
24. Another time snother generation
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 07:22 PM
Sep 2015

From what I've read, she was sexually active when young, then got religion and went in the opposite direction to become very puratinnical.

And those days, attitudes about homosexuality were very different.

Most great people have feet of clay of some sort....But doesn't mean their positive accomplishments should be disregarded.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. When she was born in the late 1800s that was normal. Happily,
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:17 PM
Sep 2015

of course, we HAVE come a very long way in the many decades since.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Sorry, I stated it wrong. She was born, raised and lived in an era when
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:05 AM
Sep 2015

almost everyone felt that way. She was a free thinker; if she'd been the age I was in the '60s she likely would felt much the the way my friends and I did. Instead she was in her 60s. And she had become GENUINELY religious long before. Religion wasn't just a label she had pasted on her forehead when born and never questioned.

Some of us have a tendency to despise members of groups we don't like anyway for something we consider a fault in them, dismissing all their good qualities and achievements to focus on that bias-enabling feature. Bias is bias, even when it's based on reasons society doesn't slap people down for -- bias based on skin color is seen as "despicable," but bias based on different beliefs is perfectly acceptable -- Hey, "We're all entitled to our opinions." I don't buy that.

Further people aren't black and white. We're many-multi-faceted, and the best of us have some magnificent sparkles among their duller parts and black holes. Like this woman.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. True - but there were some who had much more enlightened views on the subject
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:12 AM
Sep 2015

I think it is a shame that she was unable to stand out from the crowd in this regard (as some others did).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. I agree. My family was more enlightened on social issues
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:47 AM
Sep 2015

back then, at least close relatives.

I'm guessing Ms. Day's problem was a factor of her strength -- a tendency to extremism. It served her well in her battle for the wellbeing of others, but it also lead to her total commitment to a religion that was not enlightened. Nothing halfway about her.

This is reminding me that the Vatican II advancements were around mid century, but of course they did not include acceptance of LGBT. Maybe all the discussion of that relative revolution was why she spoke on this issue at all. All it meant to me was that our elementary school cafeteria no longer had to serve fish on Fridays.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. Love Elizabeth Warren with Contemplative/Wistful look....."what could have been..could be?"
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:46 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie is Studious ....ingesting, thinking....because he's know all this for Decades..

Two Good Folks....!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
33. Bernie and Dorothy's views should be MAINSTREAM
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

and the Pope is just saying what everyone with a brain and heart knows to be the truth.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
34. Republican 'christians' are getting lessons they didn't want to hear from a christian leader. He's
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

kind of blowing all their arguments against the poor and most vulnerable members of this society.

Like all hypocrites, most of them who formerly used Popes to bolster their positions, are more than a little upset with this pope. I'm sure he expects it.

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