Warning: if you criticize Bernie in any way, the far left will lash out at you all over the internet

[DanTex]

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You'll get called all sorts of names on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.

The good thing is, nobody really cares what the fringe left thinks. So you can just ignore the noise. Unless you sell vintage T-shirts in Portland. In that case, it's probably a good idea to keep whatever doubts you have about Bernie to yourself.

[virtualobserver]

1. where are the links?

[liberal N proud]

2. Just hang here for a while

[jfern]

122. Hillary supporters don't need facts to attack Sanders supporters

[virtualobserver]

128. Since Hillary's primary win has been ordained by the gods....

you would think that they would treat us a little bit nicer
than they do since they will need our support in the GE.

Perhaps they are not so confident after all, eh?

[jfern]

135. They assume that after vilifying us for months

That we'll happily vote for their 3rd way hawk candidate after she wins the primary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

279. Hillary supporters see the same writing on the wall that we do...for Hillary, the trend is not her friend.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[PatrickforO]

157. This is kind of a strange post.

It leads us to believe that any negative comment about Bernie gets us Bernie people all riled up so we flame it on social media.

OK. But that isn't the whole story. Here's the story as I see it:

The MSM is a great, bloated, quivering propaganda organ that is corporate owned. Since the neoliberal capitalist oligarchs don't want Bernie in there because he scares the hell out of them, their MSM organs are ignoring Bernie pretty much. And, if they do mention Bernie, it is to ridicule him or just give the most basic information about his rise in the polls.

That is the situation. We knew this.

We also knew going in that the oligarchs would try to 'ratfuck' Bernie from the get-go. So, we hear he has a 'problem with race,' and then someone asks what he's done for women, and another person implied his campaign was being funded by Israel in return for a big retirement package. Many people keep saying he isn't electable because he's too old, or he's a socialist, or he's grumpy.

But this political revolution of Bernie's is NOT being televised.

We his supporters have to act as his surrogates on social media. He doesn't have a super PAC. He just has us, the super pack. So, sure. If someone says something derogatory that is individual politics instead of issues oriented, they will be flamed. Because we ARE the fact check for this stuff.

That's how I see it at least.

Or am I wrong here?

[virtualobserver]

175. I think you nailed it....we are the fact check

MSM is as likely as not to provide a weird or simplistic analysis....The oligarchs own the media.

I've seen these "allegations" of social media attacks before and when I've wasted my time
wading through large numbers of posts, I've found a mixture of two very different kinds of posters.

One, where the poster expresses their viewpoint, and identifies as a Bernie supporter and second,
where they do not identify as a Bernie supporter, and say something really vile, and these posts will be
mixed together.

Usually the criticism of Bernie is expressed in terms of Hillary, and the truly vile responses come from
right wing Hillary haters not from Bernie supporters.

I really started to understand this when I read a view of these articles that assert that Bernie supporters
attack with brutal viciousness and name calling. but the actual examples that they provided seemed
remarkably mild, which I found baffling. Wouldn't you publish the truly vile ones in order to support your
premise in such an emotionally charged article? The reality is that that the vile ones had no mention of
supporting Bernie....so they couldn't use them....but they still felt the emotion from those inflammatory posts
that drove them to write the article.

When Hillary supporters look out at the online world, and even on DU at times,
they seem to merge all the types of opposition that they see into one unified force.

Perhaps it is a side effect of supporting a candidate that whose words and actions are such a chore to defend.

[roguevalley]

262. its okay, they have their own freeper type board to go to. all is well

unless you are one of the posters here that they name and mock over there.

[virtualobserver]

264. no, I'm afraid that I am not on their radar

[whatchamacallit]

3. How would you characterize this OP?

High road?

[DanTex]

4. Accurate.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Try as we may to make it about Bernie supporters or Hillary supporters...

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At the end of the day the candidates will be judged on their respective merits. And Bernie Sanders will prevail.

[DanTex]

13. I agree. We'll see who prevails though...

[virtualobserver]

9. it is accurate to say that you provided no links

[riversedge]

52. take a look at any comment section of any article that is even remotely

critical of Bernie. Odds are you will find your own links.

[virtualobserver]

58. as a rule, I don't pursue wild geese....so the short answer is....you have nothing.

[riversedge]

63. you had a learnable moment but are choosing to bypass it. Have a good night.

[Wankle Ronnie]

97. No proof, no credibility

[Warren DeMontague]

104. A "learnable moment" in the form of an op which does nothing but insult sanders supporters?

Please.

Maybe the thing to do is drop the hackneyed preschool teacher act, disappointed that the errant toddlers arent supporting the candidate they're supposed to?

[virtualobserver]

132. can you imagine what they will be like when Bernie takes the lead?

[Warren DeMontague]

142. I still give HRC good odds of being the nominee. But if she isn't, holy fuck

the meltdowns promise to be absolutely epic.

[virtualobserver]

144. we will know after a few debates

the problem for Hillary Inc. is that exposure to Bernie leads to more Bernie supporters.

It varies somewhat from poll to poll but 35-40% of Americans have not heard of him yet.

His authenticity will stand out in the debates.

I'll go out on a limb with a prediction that I hope that no one will call me on later if I'm wrong.
By the second debate at the latest, Hillary will attempt some sort of gotcha on Bernie that will backfire.

Biden will be a real wild card if he runs, especially if he starts talking about malarkey.

[PatrickforO]

154. I think Bernie could totally hold his own in any debate with Joe Biden.

The guy doesn't even need notes, and he KNOWS about the issues. Give him time to prep for a debate and he'll knock the ball out of the park.

[Sunlei]

199. I think he's good friends with Joe Biden & they're mostly on the same page with our government...

That helps and the hair spray Senator Sanders now uses for outside, helps too!

[PatrickforO]

203. LOL

Both are quite credible. I took this test and on issues I'm 99% Bernie and 86% Biden based on their respective records.

[bvar22]

268. All a debate candidate has to mention is Biden's votes

to protect the credit card industry, making it harder for a consumer to declare bankruptcy, and protecting the usurious interest rates (+30% in some distressed areas).
The poorer you are, the more you pay.

Yes, that Joe Biden sure is a Man of the People.

It is time for Bernie (and Warren) to drive the money lenders from the Temple of our Democracy.

[Fawke Em]

200. Correcting the record isn't "lashing out."

Nine times out of 10, the critical stuff written about Bernie isn't even true.

Just look at the Wall Street Journal's misreporting last week if you want an example. We Sanders supporters moved on that quickly before it became a meme outside of the far right, who won't vote him anyway.

[bvar22]

239. NO....not good enough.

YOU made this ridiculous claim.
It is YOUR JOB to support it,
or get call for making stuff up again.

[George II]

98. "No links" doesn't change reality.

[Wankle Ronnie]

102. It doesn't change credibiity

either - which Hillary supporters have zero for not showing evidence of their assertions.

[virtualobserver]

109. "No links" suggest another weak "bernie supporters are so bad" attack

[roguevalley]

116. i do recall someone here posting (Normal People Group) instead of Hillary Group. Do you mean

like that insult, smear, etc?

[2banon]

178. You're from Texas I presume? n/t

[DanTex]

195. Used to live there, not anymore. Why?

[2banon]

225. certain pov seems to be representative of that region. .

I see from another post you're in NYC, now....but how does that saying go?

'you can take the man out of texas but can't texas out of the man'. (?)
something like that.

[DanTex]

230. I'm much more of a New Yorker than a Texan.

[840high]

7. Low, very low.

[George II]

92. Truth

[Live and Learn]

167. How would you know? nt

[Wankle Ronnie]

95. Gutter politics.

DanTex wants to play dirty, he'll wake up with fleas...

[BeanMusical]

139. "How would you characterize this OP?"

Vell, do be honezt...

[sibelian]

187. Insignificant.

The Clinton campaign's treatment is a consequence of their conduct.

[ozone_man]

255. Low road, desperate. n/t

[Scootaloo]

5. "Unless you sell vintage T-shirts in Portland"?

Tell us about the moustache wax next! and the volvos, papa DanTex!

[Warren DeMontague]

80. I dont think he's ever, actually, been to Portland.

[Bjorn Against]

6. The "far left" is what Bill O'Reilly calls us

Sorry to disappoint you Dan but I don't see any of my "far left" friends lashing out at you all over the internet.

[beam me up scottie]

10. That's exactly whose voice I'll hear in my head from now on whenever I read Dan's posts.

Thanks!

[artislife]

26. I guess we just got the Memo. nt

[beam me up scottie]

27. Dan is nothing if not entertaining.

[artislife]

36. It isn't entertaining at this point

I am praying, as only an atheist can, for that other site to be well populated and keep their subscribers busy over there.


Maybe it is because I received some devastating news today, but I am so not able to take this h stuff at the moment. It may become my channel to wreck as much havoc in the real world as possible. I am going to get Bernie in front of as many Latinos, young, dissatisfied and even satisfied voters as possible. We have to do better than warmed over third way casserole.

[beam me up scottie]

37. I am sorry for your news.

It's best to step away from DU when bad things happen, the vitriol here is doubly toxic when you're hurting.

Hang in there, I'll be thinking good thoughts.

[artislife]

40. As only an atheist can---I hope!

Someone's cancer is back and it is pretty dire.

Fuck cancer.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Oh no.

My dad is a long time survivor and I had a small battle with it myself a few years back, I was lucky - no chemo or radiation.


Cancer sucks.

[bvar22]

245. My wife is a double Cancer Survivor who was given 2 years to live,

and that was 16 years ago.
We moved out of the toxic cities and suburbs, far away from Industrial and Agricultural pollution,
grow our own non-toxic/Non-GMO food, and drink straight from a deep spring.
We have never been healthier of happier.

[beam me up scottie]

251. I am so happy that your wife beat cancer and is still going strong.

Good for both of you for ditching "civilization" and getting back to nature.

I grew up in the country and was raised on spring water.

My best to both of you, bvar22.

[restorefreedom]

54. have had several losses to cancer

these past few years.

it bites big time.

sending good vibes to all involved.

[Wankle Ronnie]

100. With you....

Lost my father to cancer last year..

[blackspade]

114. indeed.

My father is on year 6 with Pancreatic cancer.

[jeff47]

123. I'm sorry, and fuck cancer. (nt)

[BeanMusical]

143. Big hug for you:

[Autumn]

152. We are here for you

[TheKentuckian]

265. Hugs, good vibes, and I hope a bit of serenity. Cancer is one wicked fucker.

[Scootaloo]

61. I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, artislife

[cascadiance]

11. Curious, what makes someone "far left" versus what makes someone "progressive"?...

It would be interesting to hear some explain here the terms they are using that are normally used by the right to try and pigeonhole us that side with a majority of Americans on many issues such as single payer health care, etc.

[Fearless]

65. George Carlin once said... To paraphrase...

Did you ever notice everyone going slower than you on the highway is an idiot and everyone going faster is a lunatic?


I think that applies here.

[sibelian]

188. My Dad used to have two words for things that are old...

..."traditional" and "archaic".

[restorefreedom]

24. bill oreilly!

damn..now he is all i can hear and see

happy thoughts..flowing breezes......singing birds.....

ok better now

[Mnpaul]

149. I'm beginning to understand why Republicans win in Texas

Democrats sounding like Bill O'Reilly isn't very appealing

[NCTraveler]

12. Gave it a K&r

But I do care what the "fringe left" thinks here on du. Outside of very few posters here, the fringe left on this board isn't far out there. I consider my ideology to be considered to be "fringe left" to a majority of people but I see a different path to get there than those we are describing. In order to really get that term applied to you, you seem to have to be of the mindset that we will accomplish the goals in a decade. That's nothing to mock.

I do know you are addressing a wider audience.

[DanTex]

14. Well, I thought I was the "far left" until I realized what the far left actually is.

Which is apparently a bunch of people who can't tell the difference between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush, and who think Obama is a piece of shit. As far as political views, I'm pretty much in the most leftward group on basically every issue I've seen polled. But this Hillary and Obama hating thing is just nuts.

[cui bono]

17. If you don't have any disagreement with Obama then you are a moderate Republican

in his own estimation.

[JoePhilly]

28. Nonsense.

[Ed Suspicious]

49. Total sense.

[HooptieWagon]

77. Obama described himself as a Reagan Republican.

That's his words.

[cui bono]

91. Tell it to Obama. He's the one who calls himself a moderate Republican.

[Art_from_Ark]

137. Yeah, a "moderate '80s Republican"

But he seems to have been in a haze in the '80s, because what he is attributing to '80s moderate Republicans is actually describing moderate Democrats of the era.

'80s Republicans were supporters of voodoo economics and the dismantling of the New Deal and Great Society.

[artislife]

38. *gasp...you really thought that?

There are some Sanders supporters who are not 100% with President Obama on issues. But most I read, voted for him twice and would gladly vote for him over H again.

We don't like H's stances on issues, we don't trust what she says because she isn't clear and concise--weasily may be an apt word.

It would be pretty radical if some would take critiques on policy as just that.

But feel the victimization, we will feel the Bern instead.

[RichVRichV]

281. I voted for him 6 times (counting primaries and generals).

I may be an Obama hater but I'm a really bad one.


Apparently I have yet to earn the right to disagree with him on the TPP regardless of how many times I've voted for him, complimented him on various acts, and supported him. I'm just a vile hater.

[truebluegreen]

59. In the pursuit of more information,

you might try taking the test at this site: www.politicalcompass.org and then comparing yourself to, say, the major candidates in the 2012 race (I don't know if they have 2016 up yet--they're probably waiting for the field to thin a bit).

It could give you some perspective on "far left" and even center right or far right. And I'd be curious to see where you line up.

[DanTex]

78. I don't really like those things, but still, I get -5.25 Economic -6.56 Social.

At least I did this time through. Some of the questions I think deserve more than an "agree" or "disagree" so I might answer differently on a different day.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-5.25&soc=-6.56

The "far left" I'm talking about in the OP is more defined by its looniness than by actual political opinions.

[Scootaloo]

81. So it's a wholy arbitrary, subjective, and personal descriptor.

Might as well call them "vargmasooses" for all the relevance it has.

[DanTex]

84. I know it when I see it.

[Scootaloo]

87. Thus confirming my statement. Thanks.

[DanTex]

89. Well, no.

[Scootaloo]

93. Whatever you say, tough guy n/t

[HERVEPA]

127. Argo...

[truebluegreen]

159. You're about where I am

but that is only half the story: check out the link (left side of the page) For US Presidential Election 2012 to see where our candidates lined up (I'm sure Obama's ranking will make you mad--but I thought the site owners backed it up pretty well).

The thing I have found very interesting is, without labels or dog whistles or whatever, every person I have sent to the site ended up in the lower left quadrant--with the exception of a guy (actually named Bubba) from Alabama who was right in the crosshairs, and prided himself on his moderation in all things...until I pointed out that he was closer to both Obama and Ralph Nader than he was to his idol Sarah Palin, at which point his head exploded, alas (leading Bubbas to water...).

[DanTex]

171. Where do they justify Obama's ranking?

If you're talking about the paragraph that starts out about the "Trilateral Commission," that's not a justification, it's a rant written by a mentally ill person.

[truebluegreen]

182. I was referring to this

"a rant written by a mentally ill person" but which, on the facts, seems indisputable. It's very surprising that you can't see it, non-loony hardcore lefty that you are.

This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama's detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008's yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? Between 1998 and the last election, Obama amassed $37.6million from the financial services industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.

Nice talking to you. Not.

[DanTex]

183. Yes, that's the mentally ill rant I saw. "Dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail."

Yeah, with "indisputable" facts like that one, who would ever doubt the accuracy?

[truebluegreen]

192. Silly.

Apparently you can't separate facts from commentary: who could have predicted?

[AlbertCat]

208. defined by its looniness than by actual political opinions.

Hmmmmmm....


"She deserves it! It's her turn!"


Looniness or political opinion? I can't tell which.

[DanTex]

210. The only people saying the words "it's her turn" are Hillary haters. Yes, loony ones.

[AlbertCat]

216. The only people saying the words "it's her turn" are Hillary haters.

That is 100% false!

Do you live on this planet?

[DanTex]

217. See for yourself...

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22it%27s+her+turn%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

[AlbertCat]

221. Cute...

.... but Sanders' supporters didn't make up the meme, y'know. Sanders' supporters are the only ones using it mockingly.

Just because her supporters have dropped the meme recently because it is so awful, it was posted here back when she started her campaign. Where do you think it came from? I'm sure if you go back far enough, you will find it in the Hillary Group. That's where I 1st saw it with "She deserves it." I'm not gonna search for it because we all know it's out there.

[DanTex]

223. The word here is "factual". It's a Hillary hater straw-man meme, plain and simple.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

130. Have you seen the Bernie hating?

[DanTex]

131. No.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

133. Not even the charges of racism???

[DanTex]

136. Not even close. There are charges of charges of racism, but not actual charges of racism.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

140. I could send you links but it would finger members and I don't like to do that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

207. Did you lose track of the conversation?

[AlbertCat]

215. Did you lose track of the conversation?

Oops... posted it in the wrong place.... so I did lose track, but not of the "conversation", if that's what a message board is.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

236. I guess it depends on how long you've been posting....

I go back to the days of Telemate in DOS.

[m-lekktor]

19. my actual fringe left friends outside of DU do not like Bernie at all.

they wouldn't like anybody who has anything to do with the Democratic party. One of them also started a petition to call out Bernie for calling Hugo Chavez a communist dictator so I laugh when people refer to Bernie supporters as the fringe left.

[NCTraveler]

32. I really don't know many people I would define as far left.

For the most part everything discussed here polls as mainstream. A distinction between the far left on du and those truly left can be seen in the adoration of the constitution. Consciously or unconsciously it's real. For the most part, those who the term is thrown at on du have an ideology that flows with the Constitution and the direction of its interpretation. I believe the friends you mention think outside of the Constitutional box. While I believe the U.S. Constitution is one of the greatest written documents in history, I enjoy conversations with those who don't subconsciously use it in a manner that restricts thoughts.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

209. "Far left" would be advocating the elimination of private property and currency.....

I don't know anyone who,....oh wait,...I've advocated the elimination of currency.

You know, cuz of the "money is the root of all evil" thingy,.....that, and I like to see Conservatives flip out when I say, "It's only money."

[NCTraveler]

214. Yep. A thought process not constrained by the constitution.

I think arguments outside of the constitution are valid and should be heard. Unfortunately, we have been educated to assume all thinking outside of that box are commie pinko bastards. It is engrained in the masses.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

240. Republicans have got a segment of the population convinced that civilization is a fragile thing....

I've met people that actually believe America will fall like ancient Rome if we let gay people marry each other.

The notion that God actually DOES bless America and if we do something to piss him off than He will pull a Sodom and Gomorrah on us.

BTW: If someone claims this while you're at a restaurant - ask them to pass the salt.

[TheKentuckian]

272. The fuzzier the restrictions and limitations on the government interfering with our rights

the more entropy is injected into the system to the point now where it sometimes seems the position of a majority of Democrats is to take the most greasy, nasty sit they can wipe their ass with the Bill of Rights cackling like Salacious Crumb when Jabba comes up with a really heinous way to kill somebody.

Interventionist, dragnet surveillance security staters and thug police state apologists love nothing more than to make an infinite sea of gray and lines that are all but invisible at least for those on the better side of the gun to be on.

The property and possession stuff in the Constitution seems all swell though for the rights, schmites crowd. Maybe there is some group or groups of far left advocates of an unlimited government that is also merged with the corporate sector while acting as global police/resource acquisition force but these kind of thoughts are usually much more Reich Wingers and Turd Way Democrats than any brand of leftist or even leftish folk I'm very familiar with in the wild.

[Chitown Kev]

119. Thank you

I have read what the "far" or "fringe" left thinks of Bernie Sanders and they do not like Sanders and considers him to be a sellout.

[m-lekktor]

125. exactly.

[bvar22]

227. Does your "Far Left" include Cornell West and Noam Chomsky?

Just curious.
Do you know who they support for President?


Who are these fantasy members of "The Far Left" in the Democratic Party? (or America)?
I don't recall anyone calling for the confiscation of all private property,
and organizing the workers into collectives run by the government.
THAT is "Far Left".

Most of the people you are calling "Far Left" are nothing more than Mainstream/Center FDR Democrats.

[Chitown Kev]

234. Oh, I'm talking people to the

left of West and Chomsky who's nickname for Sanders is "Bernie the Bomber" and who think that Sanders is doing nothing more and nothing less than the Democratic Party's bidding.

I'm talking about Green Partiers and Communists and true pacifists (and Sanders has never claimed to be a pacifist)...

[bvar22]

242. ...and you believe this handful of people will have an impact on this election?

I think not, but it DOES illustrate without the possibility of rebuttal that neither Bernie nor his supporters are "Far Left'.

[Chitown Kev]

252. No...but only because of the 2000 election...but that wasn't the point

The point is that definitions of the "far left" differ.

For example, here's a part of the black version of the "far left."

Here's a Vermont version of the "far left"

and here's something that, in part, I agree with.

[arely staircase]

256. Are either of those guys Democrats? nt

[bvar22]

15. Not true...at all.

If you have a policy disagreement with Bernie, then lets hear it.

When the Hillary Camp tries to smear him as a racist without any links, cites, or quotes, (like today on DU)
then I PROMISE you will hear from me.


If you get all butt hurt because someone provides the actual facts,
that is your problem.

Sincerely,
bvar22

[cui bono]

18. Today???

They're still playing that racist game? That is just scummy.

But don't you dare tell anyone about his record fighting for civil rights for decades. Because, well that doesn't matter now and we don't want the people spreading the racist meme to think we think they're stupid and uninformed.

[hootinholler]

56. It was apparently coordinated from offsite.

Surely you've seen this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251616648

[cui bono]

99. No, I hadn't!

I'm just sneaking peeks while at work...

Disgusting. But I expect no less from a certain group of people on here, one in particular. It's "not enough" for so many of them, they just go all out with the vile shit slinging swiftboat attempts.

[upaloopa]

66. Where is the OP calling Bernie a racist?

I don't think I have ever seen that on DU. If you mean the discussion that he has low AA support that isn't calling him racist.
I think you protest too much

[TheFarS1de]

274. Look harder .

But we know you won't .

[upaloopa]

280. We look at the same thing and see different things

[cui bono]

16. Yeah! Like white supremacist!!!

Oh wait...

[Kelvin Mace]

20. Seems to me

that too many people take criticism of the candidate as personal attacks.

[FuzzyRabbit]

105. Yup, so true.

Bernie and Hillary are both just interviewing for a new job, nothing more, albeit an important job. Neither is interviewing to be a god. Hero worship is for rock stars and movie stars, not politicians.

[Kelvin Mace]

174. Absolutely!

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who believes their "chosen one" can do no wrong.

[restorefreedom]

21. what, no reference to the grateful dead

or veggie burgers?

i am disappointed...

[Vattel]

22. Very classy post.

[TheProgressive]

23. Desperate Hillary Supporter (DHS) (tm) post alert!

I am just a normal educated patriot for Bernie Sanders.

Yes, lets call out the pros and cons of every Dem candidate...

[artislife]

25. Warning: this OP is to stir it up

Don't let them get to you.

[beam me up scottie]

29. VOLVOS! LATTES! SOCIALIST! EEEEEEEEEEK BERNIE'S GONNA TAKE MY YACHT!

You mean that noise?

Yep, we've been ignoring it for months.

[Bonobo]

30. Because "White people wearing dashikis" is so "high road" and classy. nt

[pa28]

31. Complain about 'name calling' in one breath.

Spew contempt and invective during the next without any sense of irony at all.

[Kang Colby]

33. K&R....

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I prefer a reasonable, common sense candidate, thank you very much. I can't wait to cast that historic ballot for our country's first female Command-in-chief. 11/8/2016....we will all have an opportunity to make history.

The idea of standing around snacking on granola with a wheelbarrow full of U.S. currency waiting for my daily bread rations subsidized by Bernie's 18 trillion...isn't appealing to me. I have a job, a 401(k), and a family to feed. I trust the Clinton's brand of leadership. I consider myself a progressive Democrat who is an economic realist. If the Democratic field was larger and stronger like in 2008, I highly doubt Bernie would be doing better than Dennis Kucinich.

[bvar22]

42. Electing the first "female" president is your biggest issue?

*Carley Fiorino is a woman.

Michele Bachmann is a woman.

*Sarah Palin is a woman.

Mean Jean Schmidt is a woman.

*Kay Bailey Hutchison is a woman

*Maggie Thatcher is a woman

Gender is absolutely NO reason to support someone.

If you do some research, you will find women leaders throughout History.
They have proved to be every bit as vicious and warlike as the men.

[Kang Colby]

43. I agree with you in principal.

But 75 cents on the dollar isn't good enough anymore, nor was it ever.

Also, are you comparing HRC to Sarah Palin?

[mak3cats]

55. Only in the sense that they both happen to be female...

...which, of course, is true. And most of us of the female persuasion vote with our heads and not our nether regions.

[2banon]

179. I compare her to Margaret Thatcher.

That alone should be enough for any thinking WOMAN.

[DonCoquixote]

150. seriously

The idea of standing around snacking on granola with a wheelbarrow full of U.S. currency waiting for my daily bread rations subsidized by Bernie's 18 trillion...isn't appealing to me. I have a job, a 401(k), and a family to feed.

Funny, the Europeans Bernie is using as a model tends to have jobs, money, and better pensions. They also have more women in leadership, even if one of them is Angela Merkel who is unpopular because she is falling for the American style hate of government,.

[virtualobserver]

201. In this image you have granola to snack on, while you wait for daily bread rations?

pretty funny

If we elect Bernie, we will be eating way too many carbs.

[portlander23]

34. Just saying is all

[DrBulldog]

35. Another loser whines. No coronation again this time, buddy.

[HooptieWagon]

39. If you disagree with Sanders platform, then let's hear it.

I'm eagerly awaiting the Clinton supporter's defense of Wall St Billionaires, Monsanto, the TPP, and the MIC.
Of course, baseless smears of Bernie will be replied to in kind.

[Capt. Obvious]

44. I'm always shocked

by the number of people who take the bait with this poster. Remember what Woodsy The Owl used to say: cut off the bark and the tree will die.

Give a hoot, don't pollute.

[AgingAmerican]

48. We see four or five of this level of OP posted every day

By Hillary supporters.

Then they cry how mean Sanders supporters are the hypocrisy is stunning.

[Scootaloo]

60. Its fun to bat him around, though

He getsthe joy of feeling like a martyr, and we get a good belly laugh.

[beam me up scottie]

68. My cat plays with mice the same way.

I rescue the mice but I like animals.

[R B Garr]

213. I have never seen that happen, though. He is always in control

of the dialogue.

[m-lekktor]

64. so you are saying don't feed him?

gotcha!

[sibelian]

189. There are advantages.

And, if your avatar is a true reflection of your position, I wish to expand on one of my previous responses to you, I wish very strongly that the rest of the H campaign was as classy, honest and straightforward as you are. They'd be far more likely to be taken seriously. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them but I'd feel far less free to point at them and laugh if they were all like you.

[Capt. Obvious]

190. There's no changing minds here

This is just a daily pissing match of supporters trying to troll each other. The trolling succeeds in spectacular fashion. If people just ignored it, it would most likely stop.

For my OP's in GDP I only post positive stories about all of our candidates (and I try hard to pick up wire stories on O'Malley, Chafee and even Webb). The positive Bernie posts typically rack up a large amount of rec's. The positive Clinton threads barely make the Greatest Page. And before anyone claims it's due to HRC supporters being outnumbered, the typical flame bait OP's trolling Sanders supporters by someone sharing my avatar can get over 40 rec's on a slow day.

Forgive me if I don't remember our last interaction.

[sibelian]

191. You are correct.

... aaaaand, perhaps I am too easily baited...

Good thing there are SOME sane democrats....

[geardaddy]

202. +1 million

You nailed it.

[RichVRichV]

282. Sure there is.

All you see are the vocal minority. There's also a silent majority of lurkers here. People who don't have strong enough opinions to want to post on a subject. There are probably hundreds of new people that come to this site daily. I used to be one of those lurkers. I can say my political view points have evolved dramatically, even though my core beliefs haven't, since I first came here. I'm way more political and informed now than when I started.


Don't look at it as trying to convince the person you're having the discussion with. Approach it like a real world debate. You and another person are presenting differing view points to influence the silent audience (in this case the many non-posters who are just reading to educate and entertain themselves). Present your point of view in a clear manner with the understanding it is making an impact even if it's not immediately visible to you.


If nothing else it helps you keep your sanity in this place.

[MisterP]

45. "far left"? Red-baiting destroyed the country's conscience twice over and literally destroyed

the lives of some of our best people

people like you are why people like them feel comfortable killing 1.5 million people (i.e. a cube 210 by 210 by 210 feet), that it's not just "only politics" but an acceptable position for a Dem to take, that shit like this is even allowed on DU

we won't tell you to sell t-shirts in any city, because there's no part of America *we* haven't given up on

[AgingAmerican]

46. This is Jr High school level whining here

Bottom feeding, IMHO. The hypocrisy is stunning.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Red bait much?

[Roland99]

50. Sorry.You must be lashing out since Hillary is sliding in the polls

[pangaia]

51. What a nice, positive, friendly comment.

You have a nice day, too.

[zappaman]

53. You're gonna hurt your hand

With all the hippie punching you're doing lately...

[Ed Suspicious]

57. Must be something in that Texas water that is messing with your perception of what is "fringe left."

If your perception of reality is formed from your perch in that bastion of liberalism that is Texas, I can understand why you might be confused as to what a real liberal vs a "fringe lefty" looks like.

[Fearless]

62. If the far left is everywhere... it ain't the far left. You're center right.

[BeanMusical]

161. But who's on first?

[jalan48]

67. Far left? Now, now Comrade, we are the People's Party.

[NRaleighLiberal]

69. .

far left checking in!

[colsohlibgal]

70. What Is Fringe?

Far Left, progressive, that's fringe? Being critical of Hillary for her rubber stamp of Cheney's war is fringe? Wanting to tax the wealthy by half as much as a republican, Eisenhower is fringe?

Is this the early 50s again?

[valerief]

71. Goodbye forever. nt

[stupidicus]

72. warning!!!!

weak chum has been placed in the DU waters.

Anybody with the political sophistication of the common junior high schooler following current events knows that the "fringe left" is a myth used by those well over the ideological center line seprating right from left.

That's why they don't see their preferred leaders as the center/right pols that they are.

The idea that that type has the integrity to accurately label the opposition to their left is more than amusingly false. All the labeling really accomplishes is serving as an admission as to where they stand on the ideological line.

Probably woulda been hippy punchers back in the day, no?

[bunnies]

196. Im glad I read down far enough to get to this post.

Well said.

[aidbo]

197. Certainly got the feeding frenzy started

[Lorien]

73. Don't ever visit Europe

your head will explode! "Far far lefties! Far lefties EVERYWHERE!!"

[sadoldgirl]

74. What I have seen today posted

by the Hillionares unbelievable.

I would like to remind you that some of those
people in 07 were starting the rumor that
Obama was not born in the US.

They stopped it very quickly, because it
backfired badly, but the RW took it over.

Still, remember that it backfired!

[imthevicar]

75. Far Left, (Scoffs)

So I guess it's fringe left to want people to make something other than a poverty wage, Be chained to a debt for schooling, want the top .1% to stop stealing the political process, Get money out of the election process, want to be treated fair and honorably by the police, want to put an end to racism, put a stop to chained CPI, put a stop to the TPP, and all the other measures that spell "WAR on the Middle class".

That term Far Left is Like all coined insulting terms, bullshit! it's used to split the Party so the Dinos can run away with the Party!

[Hiraeth]

76. nice spoon you have there

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Someone from Texas making fun of Portland, Oregon.

That's prettttttty fuckin' rich.



Yeah, it sucks, brah. Much better to avoid it at all costs.

[DanTex]

82. Texas was a while ago, and yeah, there are better places to live.

[Warren DeMontague]

88. Out of respect for Gibby Haynes, Steve Earle and James McMurtry, I'll leave it at that.

But your incessant hippie and hipster punching, here, may get you internet squees from the aol.com email address set, but it really only makes you look hopelessly out of touch.

Beyond that i think you have very little clue as to what PDX is actually about. You want vintage t-shirts go to Venice Beach.

[DanTex]

96. I like hipsters. And hipsters here in NYC have a sense of humor about hipster-hood.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. In my experience people on the east coast overthink fucking everything, actually.

They come out west and go "look at this amazing studied attitude everyone has, presenting the carefully crafted facade of not giving a shit what other people think about them! How clever!"


Never occurs to them that maybe people here actually dont give a shit.

[DanTex]

111. Easy, there. No need to get all East Coast/West Coast over a little hipster joke.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. Believe me, I know from whence I speak.

You want to get into discussions of regional peculiarities- (you must! otherwise why put the vintage t-shirt thing in your OP?) great, I can play.

Some people love the East Coast. I get it. They love this constant everyone being all up in everyone else's shit all the damn time, everyone being on display and posing and posturing and preening and puffing and constantly analyzing everyone else and judging and being judged.

Not me. Can't stand it. GIANT waste of mental energy.

If I wanted that I would live in LA, which can be almost as bad... but at least it's a lower key version.

[DanTex]

117. I picked Portland at random. Could just as easily have been Williamsburg.

NYC is a great place to live, but, yeah, it's not for everyone.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Aw, don't tell me that! I thought it was a subtly crafted shot directed specifically at yours truly.

but I tend towards solipsism, which can be problematic when, say, watching the news. Like that time I thought Ernie Anastos was speaking directly to me.



Anyway, Portland is lucky if you get 4 months of t-shirt weather in a year, so maybe vintage flannels would make more sense. Little known secret about this place, though? Some of the best food in the country.

[DanTex]

173. Never been to Portland but I've heard good things.

But, yeah, it was a hipster joke not a regional joke.

Though come to think of it, a West Coast versus East Coast hipster battle could make for some funny youtube.

[bvar22]

241. ...and some of us despise New York and LA.

We chose to live adjacent to Wilderness Areas surrounded by Nationl Forests,
and grow our own food. I can go whole weeks without seeing another human being except my wife.
The food, free range chickens & eggs, and the honey given to us by our domestic bees simply can not be beat.

We have Sat TV & Internet....so we keep up.


For those who call these the "Fly Over States", please keep flying over.
Don't ever stop here. I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
Thee is no Starbucks for 100 miles.

[Warren DeMontague]

243. Im with you.

I cant go full on grizzly adams, but the fewer peeps, the better.

[Jim Lane]

146. It's even worse than you think

I have an aol.com email address, and I think he's hopelessly out to lunch.

[Warren DeMontague]

162. Ha! Hey, so does my mom. I mean, no offense intended. So did I, for way longer than i should have.

When i finally tried to cancel, though, I've had root canals that were easier to get through.

They really, really, REALLY didnt want to let me go. It was ridiculous. "I want to cancel my service" "so since you're unhappy, ill put you down for a free month to see if your opinion of our service doesnt improve" "no, i just want to cancel" "we know after your complimentary 6 months you will see the value in continuing your relationship with us"

They were like an obsessive girl or boyfriend who wouldnt let you dump them. It was messed up.

[rhett o rick]

246. Is Portland, OR too liberal for you? You that continually disparge something you call the Far Left.

The Far Left that you refuse to define. And you refuse to explain what issues the Far Left supports that upset you so badly that you have to continue to hate on them. There is a Left and a Right.

There is also a Third Group that support some aspects of the Left, like social issues but also support some aspects of the Right, like a corp dominated economy and government, a over-powering NSA/CIA Dark State, American Exceptionalism, Free Trade Agreements, Capitalism and American Imperialism. Seems that those here in DU that do support The Third Way are ashamed to admit it.

So where do your allegiances lie.

[DanTex]

248. Not at all, I'm a liberal.

The far left, I know it when I see it. Mostly it's the looniness that defines them. For example, people who think Hillary is "GOP lite": obviously anyone who thinks that knows nothing about the GOP.

[rhett o rick]

257. I think we have a problem with definitions. You claim to be a liberal. Do you also claim that

Clinton is a liberal? She may be liberal on some social issues (as long as they don't cost Goldman-Sachs any profits), but she isn't liberal on foreign policy. Liberals were telling George Bush and Little Dick Cheney to go to hell when they asked to invade Iraq. No liberal would approve of the Patriot Act. Do you? Liberals want to limit defense spending, but not Clinton. Liberals object to the over-steping of the NSA/CIA domestic spying. How do you feel? Liberals support the unions against the TPP. I am guessing you support the subsidizing of corporations that move jobs overseas. Clinton loves fracking. As Sec of State she used the power of our government to try to "encourage" foreign companies to allow Chevron to frack in spite of the fact that the 99% in those countries were in the streets protesting. Whose side do you take? the 99%, trying to save their drinking water, or Clinton/Chevron trying for higher profits. When you answer, remember you are claiming to be "liberal". Shall we discuss drone killing, the XL Pipeline, Arctic drilling?

No liberal would be caught dead giving speeches to Goldman-Sachs for cash. No liberal would have said to George Bush, "Go ahead and invade Iraq, you have my blessing."

And you've failed to explain who the mystical "Far Left" is.

[DanTex]

258. I don't agree with Hillary on everything (nor Bernie), but overall she's got a very good platform.

Raising minimum wage, expand Obamacare, clean energy, employee free choice, campaign finance reform, and so on.

You've certainly got the Hillary bashing talking points down, though.

[rhett o rick]

259. Let's talk about rhetoric. Saying she wants to raise the min wage means literally nothing. How much

and for whom? Obama raised the minimum wage for a handful of government contractors to a lousy $10.10. Is that what she proposes? It sounds good but we need more specifics.

Need more info on how she wants to "expand Obamacare". Does she want to have the government negotiate drug prices with big pharma?

She favors clean energy but is a great proponent of fracking. Somehow that doesn't compute. Do you support her stand on fracking?

Campaign finance reform sounds good. What specifically does she propose?

Do you support her stand on NSA/CIA domestic spying? The Patriot Act?

My arguments against her are because I disagree with her on her stands on the issues.

Do you really think that telling me that my arguments against Clinton are "bashing talking points" will intimidate me?

[morningfog]

83. Boo hoo.

[ALBliberal]

85. so happy to make you one of my few blocks

Ya you called me an asshole last week when I remarked about internet security. I decided to give it some time. Now done. Be well.

[DanTex]

86. I don't think that was me, but suit yourself.

[hatrack]

90. Well, that was boring.

Bye.

[Bonobo]

94. Is that you in the tie?

[Skittles]

101. how is that different than critcizing Obama, Hillary or anyone else?

[leftofcool]

103. Everybody is the US is seeing this.

[A Simple Game]

106. The fringe left is kicking Hillary's butt in two states and Bernie is starting to work on a third.

So I think maybe Hillary cares what the fringe left thinks especially the way she is starting to talk trash about Bernie. Better put your tall boots on if you are going to follow Hillary because she's headed for the low ground. Or is she following her supporters? It's hard to tell sometimes.

By the way, what do you call Hillary supporters? Remember fringe left is already taken. If you can't come up with something don't let it bother you, I already have a few names for you.

By the way, those two states Hillary is losing in? Both are considered conservative states. So much for the fringe left.

[Bluenorthwest]

108. All you do is post unsupported negative characterizations of other Democrats.

Were you raised by a pack of wolves or was it just Republicans? This bullshit you crank out is just reprehensible.

[HERVEPA]

110. Argo....

[blackspade]

112. What do you mean by fringe left?

I'm a post capitalist that wants true representative democracy, politically and in the workplace.
I stand against authoritarians that victimize minorities and the powerless.
Equality should be a value not talked about but shrived for.
There should be universal health care.
Profit should be taken out of our healthcare, prisons, and education.

I consider myself a fringe leftist, so are you talking about me?

One issue that I have had with DU lately beyond the loathsome alert stalking, is that people throw around loaded terms without defining them.
So please explain what you mean by fringe left.

[HooptieWagon]

121. It's a term Glenn Beck uses.

There's no need to give OP any more credibility than Beck, but it's nice of him to post here for our amusement.

[blackspade]

145. He is a fellow DU member, so I thought it would be....

Considerate to ask if he would define what he meant by fringe or far left.
That way there is an open discussion with much less ambiguity.

I guess I'll see if he responds.

[Jappleseed]

113. A lot of us don't care what fascist say.

So all is good.

[R. P. McMurphy]

118. Damn! I'm fringe left now!

And all this time I thought I was just supporting core Democratic values and standing up for an honorable man.

Next week I may evolve into a DIRTY HIPPY! Guess its a good thing I'm letting my hair grow.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

120. Manny? Is that you?

[jeff47]

126. No, Dan actually believes it. (nt)

[Spitfire of ATJ]

129. That makes it even funnier.

[RufusTFirefly]

124. The "far left", eh? Why, that's so quaint!!

I'm glad you never had to suffer under that extremist Franklin Roosevelt.

Now tell me. (And this is important.) How do we identify these card-carrying members of the fringe left?

Do they dress in fatigues? Or do they wear Nehru jackets, love beads, and bell bottoms?
Or perhaps they don crafty disguises so they fool nearly everyone as to their evil intent.

Regardless of how they look, they don't fool you though, do they?

It's probably a little bit premature to suggest that there may be a Congressional Gold Medal in your future, but keep up the good work!

[Logical]

134. You seem to either have lost it or are drunk. Nt

[BeanMusical]

138. The Russians Are Coming the Russians Are Coming!

[cherokeeprogressive]

147. In other words...

This post was full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[rhett o rick]

148. Who exactlly is this far left that you hate so much? Who are the far left politicians?

Can you name some? What issues that the far left supports do you hate so much? I bet you don't answer so I will have to guess.

I bet you disagree with the far left on the justification of the IWar, fracking, 22% poverty rate for American children, NSA/CIA domestic spying, the Patriot Act, Arctic drill, the XL Pipeline, privatizing the USPS and Social Security, so-called Free Trade Agreements, government subsidies for corps that send manufacturing over seas, etc.

So Dan, tell us whether you agree with the Left or Right on the above issues?

[McCamy Taylor]

151. Far left? You sure it isn't the RNC pretending to be the far left?

[Warren DeMontague]

163. Yes, the 90% of DU that CLAIMS to support Sanders are all really GOP plants, trolling the other 10%.

You figured us out!

[Enthusiast]

247. I didn't think you would recognize me with this mustache.

[Warren DeMontague]

249. Me either!

[redstateblues]

153. Amazing. I get the feeling that most of DU consider

Anyone who is not for Bernie is essentially a Republican. As a lifelong Democrat it worries me to see how far this place has lurched in the last few months. It doesn't bode well for the GE.

[DanTex]

172. I get that feeling too. But it won't affect the GE much. The internet-far-left isn't representative

of very many people, and almost all of them will end up voting for Hillary in the GE anyway.

[2banon]

180. "almost all of them will end up voting for Hillary in the GE anyway."

You might do well to re-consider that assumption, the shock of a contrary realization might give you a heart attack.

Most people I know will absolutely refuse to vote for her, it would be like voting for Dick Cheney and we've had quite enough of that ilk in our collective lifetime.

[DanTex]

181. I think they'll turn out. Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Sure, there are some true idiots who really think Hillary is the same as the GOP, but I think a lot of the Hillary bashing is people getting caught in the moment, and they'll come to their senses when there's an actual Republican staring at them.

[2banon]

226. "true idiots"

[bvar22]

253. More Free Trade, low taxes on the RICH, "Privatizing everything in sight (especially sham

"Charter Schools, no prosecutions of corrupt Wall Street Bankers, giving War Criminals a Free Pass,
supporting wars...ANY wars, Mandates without a Public Option....

Yes. ALL Republican Policies.
So you can now guess WHY they get called Republican-Lite...
Yes?

[xfundy]

155. "Far left" is an insult now?

Cheney off.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

156. Your OP is flawed, but I'll fix it for you.

Anyone who lies about Bernie Sanders is going to face some very angry Sanders supporters who have had about e-goddamned-nough of the lies. If Republicans do this, and they will, we'll come at them like a freight train. It is therefore highly inadvisable for anyone to display lying, propagandizing Republican tendencies toward Sanders, his candidacy, and his millions of supporters.

[Live and Learn]

165. +1 nt

[Ed Suspicious]

160. I almost feel like you're just helping to condition us for the general. Thank you for giving us a

credible target dummy to warm up on before we find ourselves against similar opposition from the republicans as we push Senator Sanders to the White House.

[R B Garr]

164. This is hilarious!

[Live and Learn]

166. Guess who doesn't care what you think? nt

[eridani]

168. Only corporate apologists think that there is such a thing as a 'far left" in the US n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

169. Sad when middle class America is now called "far left" and

"Useless white Supremacist Liberals" by the Ridiculous Third Way supporters. Yes, that's how you get people to vote for your candidate! Keep on doin' what you're doin' - it's working! Your candidate is dropping in the polls. Good job!

Don't vote for Bernie.
By all means, vote your conscience! Please vote for Hillary.

[Vinca]

170. Your posts are amusing.

Apparently everyone in the Clinton camp has been issued angel wings and halos.

[Fumesucker]

205. Part of Hillary's Thx Box no doubt

[NCTraveler]

176. There was opposition research done on Gutierrez by someone here.

It has become that vicious. One of the leaders of the immigration movement and an extremely solid progressive was thoroughly trashed over a failed right wing investigation. Every time the poster was asked about the outcome of the witch hunt they simply deflected and backed the argument of some of the most vile right wingers.

[2banon]

177. The "Fringe" Left! Portland! OMG. You forgot Seattle, San Francisco New York

The "Fringe" Left.. What a Right WING MEME.

That's akin to asserting FDR was the FRINGE LEFT

Disgusting, but not surprising.

[Warren DeMontague]

233. Sorry, San Francisco, NY, Seattle, WE OUT-FRINGE YOU ##%##&$ERS, YES WEDOOO

You'll just have to settle for being sub or quasi-fringe. We, however are la creme de la fringe, so much that the mere mention of our city evokes fringey imagery of inherent fringey fringeness and fringitude.

Take that, Berkeley!

[sibelian]

184. Dan...

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"far" and "fringe" don't mean anything. All it tells us is where YOUR axis is centred.

[treestar]

185. Critique of Bernie here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617475

meets with nothing but irritation at being asked the question.

After 3000 threads about Hillary's Iraq vote, emails, etc. But it's not OK when it's BS.

[twii]

186. I respect your opinion

I think you are correct.

[Avalux]

193. Dude - why do you hate Bernie so much? You spend way too much time trashing him. n/t

[DanTex]

194. I like Bernie. Where did I trash him?

[Sunlei]

198. OMG, you mean there're people on 'Twitter, Facebook, Reddit' who call others names?

those meanies!

[m-lekktor]

204. I've had my share of being lashed at for speaking ill of Hillary on facebook. I have been unfriended

Older, well off, white gay guys don't take Hillary criticism lightly!

[AlbertCat]

211. if you criticize Bernie in any way, the far left will lash out at you all over the internet

So?


And your point is.....?

[DanTex]

212. That was my point.

[AlbertCat]

218. So what happens if you criticize Hillary in any way?

Inquiring minds want to know!



Is your point people criticize and lash out on the internet?


Thanks for pointing that out! Who knew????

[DanTex]

219. Then you become a hero of the right and the loony left.

[AlbertCat]

222. And get accused of all sorts of stupid stuff

like: "you become a hero of the right and the loony left."

It's what happens with a cult of personality.

[DanTex]

224. Yes, the Bernie cult of personality is strong. Hence the looniness.

[AlbertCat]

228. Hence the looniness.

Yeah.....


and the stacked juries and alert stalking....

[polly7]

229. Can I just ask you a question as an observer in all of this?

Why are people who say they're supporting a man who they believe is honest, determined to help people of all classes, race, etc. and who is against all of the things I've seen most on this board also against - obscene war spending, financial corruption, prison profiteering, and on and on - in a cult of personality? I don't understand what you mean by it.

[DanTex]

232. Well, for one, there's the way over-the-top bashing of anyone who isn't Bernie.

Hillary, in particular, is the primary recipient. And then the corresponding super-sensitivity and lashing out against anyone who says anything critical about Bernie. It's way beyond just thinking that Bernie is a good man (which I think also).

[polly7]

235. I don't see that.

I see people really disgusted at some of the issues other candidates bring with them, which is an absolute right when deciding who will be leading your country next, no?

I don't see anyone super-sensitive, except a few I won't mention who seem to really hate a good man.

The lashing out you see may be just expected response to what anyone can see is unfair treatment of him - even you have to admit a lot of it is just over-the-top and completely unbelievable.

Calling them cultists for it just seems a bit ............... weird. jmho.

[DanTex]

237. You haven't, for example, seen Hillary called "GOP lite"?

Anyone who thinks Hillary is GOP lite has no idea what the GOP is. And that's just one example of what's going around. The email obsession is another.

On the other hand, lots of people consider any criticism of him to be unfair. Point out that a socialist is going to have a hard time in the GE (which is obvious)... people freak. Point out that he prioritizes economic issues over social (also obvious)... people freak. That single payer is complicated and costs a lot (obvious)... people freak. Bring up his gun votes... people freak. And so on.

[polly7]

238. Haven't seen people freak, except for a few, again, who I won't mention.

You disagree with criticism of your candidate - fine, that's politics. Still don't understand the level of acrimony against people who have a perfect right to point out things you obviously have a hard time hearing. I just don't see it coming from the other side, to be perfectly honest. But oh well ........... I guess that's how it goes!

[bvar22]

244. Free Trade, no Wall Street prosecutions, More War, protecting the RICH from tax increases....

Yes. Republican-Lite fits.

[Logical]

220. Dan being dan! nt

[JRLeft]

231. When did the far left represent social justice, I always thought

we were mainstream. I guess wanting equality is fringe think.

[mythology]

250. Some percentage of people people on the Internet act like assholes

Some of those support Sanders, some support Clinton etc. It's easy to go too far on the Internet as there are rarely consequences.

You're not paying attention if you think that every DUer who supports Clinton has been an angel thus far.

Stop focusing on something so irrelevant. Provide reasons for people to vote for your candidate or donate time/money to support him or her.

[MoveIt]

254. Good news everyone

Ignore everyone who recommends this thread and 99% of the hate at DU disappears.

its like magic.

[Blue_In_AK]

260. The difference I see here

(and admittedly from a pro-Bernie perspective) is that people who support Sanders do so because they like what he has stood for his whole career. They oppose Clinton because they don't like some of her positions. It's not personal - I'm sure she's a perfectly charming woman - but she just seems too cozy with the corporate powers that be that run this country. Our criticism is of her record.

Many of Mrs. Clinton's supporters, however, seem to have personalized this to an unhealthy degree, taking any criticism of Hillary's positions as a personal assault somehow. Bernie's supporters become the enemy - we're racist, we're sexist, we're "far left," on and on. They don't seem to be able to fault Sanders on the basis of his positions on the issues, so instead they just label us all as "meanies" because we prefer our candidate to theirs.

Again, I prefer Sanders; however, I am not opposed to people who support Hillary. They have their personal reasons, as do I. If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, I will vote for her over anyone that the Republicans choose to run, which I imagine is true of most people here, even though we seem to overwhelmingly prefer Senator Sanders.

All this infighting and blaming and name-calling is stupid and counterproductive. Hillary supporters, you aren't victims, so stop acting like it. If you're so sure of your candidate, give us reasons to support her that don't include tearing down Bernie's supporters.

[Puglover]

261. "Lash out?"

On the INTERNETZ!

We truly live in scary times.

[beam me up scottie]

263. Like the HC supporters at another website who stalked cali into a hide?:

[Puglover]

266. As much as this is gutless and slimy.

Cali is in no physical danger and will be back to post her scrumptious FACT filled OP's.

My point is sorta MEH. All this board war stuff is sorta silly.

What is interesting is the hypocritical "Who me????" From some of the most sanctimonious posters from over there.

Whatever.

How ya doin Scottie?

[beam me up scottie]

267. Yup. It's the hypocrisy.

Thread after thread from HC supporters about the alert stalking done by Bernistas and then this.

I'm fair to middling, thanks. Looking forward to cooler weather.

How bout you?

[Puglover]

269. Still tossing and donating and packing and

getting old house ready to rent for the big move to Ecuador. I don't know whether to turn left, right or go straight ahead.

So frankly while interesting this kerfluffle du jour on DU seems not so importa.

Little boo hoo sites like the one being discussed come and go (quickly).

Whatever. I think some folks would do themselves a favor to step away from their computers and take a walk.

[beam me up scottie]

270. Good advice!

I envy you, not the packing and tossing but the move to a new country.

My parents lived abroad for years and enjoyed it immensely.

Make sure you post pics when you get settled in.

[aikoaiko]

276. What site is that?

[beam me up scottie]

284. This one:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=242

[bvar22]

271. Does everyone here understand what a Persecution Complex is?

The OP and follow up posts are perfect examples.

per·se·cu·tion com·plex

an irrational and obsessive feeling or fear that one is the object of collective hostility or ill-treatment on the part of others.

[pinstikfartherin]

273. My trash can's really getting full tonight...*click*

[PowerToThePeople]

275. You have not been banned yet?

Yes, I took you off ignore to post this.

I happened to browse the forums today not logged in. Saw a whole bunch of right wing, shit stiring posts. Luckily, I will not any more.

Back on ignore with you.

[cheapdate]

277. What you're calling the "far left" is something different.

The real "far left" ("revolutionary socialists", "Marxists", readers of Jacobin and Red Wedge, etc.) are deeply divided over the question of whether or not to support Sanders -- with one side maintaining their longstanding, principled, committed refusal to participate in any way in the mainstream political process, and the other side arguing that while Sanders has far more in common with the hated "liberals", "reactionaries", and capitalists than he does with leftists, he represents an opportunity to help the movement.

Whoever you're talking about, they're not the radical, socialist, left.

[HooptieWagon]

278. Re vera, potas bene.

Ex nilhilo nihil fit.

[TransitJohn]

283. 'Far left'? 'Fringe'?

What the fuck is this, the O'Reilly Factor?