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Phantomaz

(32 posts)
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:26 AM Sep 2015

Most Hillary haters care about personality. Most Hillary supporters care about the issues

Historically supporters of both Clinton's have advocated less blowjob-related, email related coverage, as it takes time away from their views on the economy, social issues, etc.
It is safe to say that Hillary supporters are the least gossip-oriented voters.

For instance when Bill Clinton spoke about Obama's views on the Iraq War as a fairy tale (policy), many Hillary haters pretended that Clinton referred to Obama as a candidate as a fairy tale (gossip).

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Most Hillary haters care about personality. Most Hillary supporters care about the issues (Original Post) Phantomaz Sep 2015 OP
..."Hillary supporters are the least gossip-oriented voters"... sibelian Sep 2015 #1
I see that those who do not support Hillary - Hillary-haters. May as well jump right in with djean111 Sep 2015 #2
+1 davidpdx Sep 2015 #4
Count the Anti-Clinton posts in this forum. Count the Anti-Sanders posts. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #17
Admonishing those who (you think) gossip by starting a flamebait gossip thread. demmiblue Sep 2015 #3
Just trying to be authentic and spontanious Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #5
Fallacy of arbitary framing - "Hillary haters" is nothing but a pejorative term. leveymg Sep 2015 #6
I think there are currently 4 OP's on the first page that have "Hillary Hate" in the title. Bonobo Sep 2015 #8
What good are stances on issues if the person stating them is untrustworthy? nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #7
There's a load of crap, and then there is this diary. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #9
So what issues do you think Clinton is better on than Bernie? Lord Have Mercy Sep 2015 #10
Being an effective President. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #12
You think the right wing will welcome Hillary with open arms? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #16
Yup, they're concerned about "authenticity", we're concerned about issues. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #11
Lets get real here for a minute. For BOTH camps it's about the issues. NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #13
very well put. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #14
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15
Are those the only two choices? Hater or Supporter? CanonRay Sep 2015 #18

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
1. ..."Hillary supporters are the least gossip-oriented voters"...
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:31 AM
Sep 2015

I don't want to jump on you as you're new to the board, but... let's just say I don't think that theory will hold so much water if we used THIS board as it's testing ground.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. I see that those who do not support Hillary - Hillary-haters. May as well jump right in with
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:05 AM
Sep 2015

overblown hyperbole.

I don't hate Hillary - I don't even care about her, really. Here is what I hate - the TPP, fracking, war (which she has just doubled down on), cluster bombs, and H-1B visas. Those are ISSUES.

Don't care about the gossip, I have not seen the gossip here at DU. But the GOP is really looking forward to the gossip, and that is why we say Hillary has baggage.

Historically supporters of both Clinton's have advocated less blowjob-related, email related coverage, as it takes time away from their views on the economy, social issues, etc.

Oh, DU is not advocating that coverage. Personally, though, there is no denying that it happened, and there is no denying that it weakens her as a candidate, with GOP voters. You can't admonish the GOP to shut up. Or the MSM. It seems to me that it should have been expected - the gossip. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime sort of thing.
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
17. Count the Anti-Clinton posts in this forum. Count the Anti-Sanders posts.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:13 AM
Sep 2015

And then tell me again about overblown hyperbole.

Some percentage of the Anti-Clinton posts are undoubtedly from conservative trolls, but that also means that some are not from trolls. In two days of admittedly random checks, I have yet to find an Anti-Sanders post. There do exist Pro-Clinton and Pro-Sanders posts.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. Fallacy of arbitary framing - "Hillary haters" is nothing but a pejorative term.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:37 AM
Sep 2015

This one is jam-packed with logical and factual error. Labels and childish slurs. No nutritional value.



Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
8. I think there are currently 4 OP's on the first page that have "Hillary Hate" in the title.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:41 AM
Sep 2015

It's like the Society for Eternal Victimhood were having a convention on the same day as the National Association for Martyrs.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
12. Being an effective President.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:17 AM
Sep 2015

And rallying the Democratic party in house and senate. Bernie will be a punching bag for the rightwing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. You think the right wing will welcome Hillary with open arms?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:56 AM
Sep 2015

If you think the same Republicans who made obstructionism their mission with the first black president won't do the same thing to a woman POTUS you're delusional.

Face it, any Dem will come up against the same roadblocks.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
13. Lets get real here for a minute. For BOTH camps it's about the issues.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:31 AM
Sep 2015

Sanders supporters prefer to deal with Social Security by raising the income cap. Hillary supporters despise that idea and would rather explore cuts in benefits, raising the retirement age, and means testing. That is an issue related difference.

Sanders supporters prefer to reject trade deals such as TPP that only serve to lower wages at home and move jobs offshore. Hillary supporters despise that approach and think the TPP is what is needed to spark the economy, even if it is just to the wealthy and corporate interests. That is an issue related difference.

Sanders supporters would elect to implement a single-payer healthcare system in the US that guarantees healthcare for all Americans. Hillary supporters despise that idea and prefer to seek a market driven alternative that does not exclude the for profit middleman insurance companies. That is an issue related difference.

Sanders supporters view the environment as a top priority that requires immediate and concrete actions such as stopping the Keystone XL, whereas Clinton supporters feel it is important to give a bit of lip service to the cause of the environment, but not do anything as dramatic as stopping Keystone as the Koch brothers have to be able to move that product somehow. That is an issue related difference.

Sanders supporters look at the plight of the American middle class and believe that as the greatest and wealthiest nation on earth we should be able to pay folks a living wage, and feel that $15/hr is a good starting point. Hillary supporters talk around the edges of the issue of minimum wage..but $15/hr?? Oy vey...how about $undisclosed.amt. That is an issue related difference.

and the list can go on...and on, but we're working today so no time for that. Perhaps someone else can pick up where I left off.

CanonRay

(14,098 posts)
18. Are those the only two choices? Hater or Supporter?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:26 AM
Sep 2015

I think your beginning position is part of the problem we have here at DU.

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