2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Hillary Clinton's State Department legacy tied to Iran deal"
Although the media tries to make her legacy a bad thing, it isn't. Good Job Hillary.
Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton hailed the deal that the United States and other world powers struck with Iran on Tuesday as an "important step in putting a lid on Iran's nuclear program."
What's bound to draw attention as the agreement's political ramifications come into focus: Clinton owns a piece of it. She helped the negotiations get started.
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The Democratic presidential front-runner said President Barack Obama -- who tapped her as America's top diplomat in his first term in office -- called her late Monday night to tell her that negotiators had struck a deal: Iran will rein in its nuclear program and allow for close monitoring.
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Her top policy adviser, Jake Sullivan, sought to direct some credit toward his boss as well Tuesday morning at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, saying she was "centrally involved in the outset of all of this."
RELATED: Get up to speed on the Iran nuclear talks
Clinton explained her role in the negotiations in her memoir, "Hard Choices." She wrote that she began back-channel talks with Iran through the sultan of Oman, who had helped free American hikers imprisoned on espionage charges and suggested the nuclear talks.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Yes she set up the framework for negotiations, deserves credit for that, but there is no question John Kerry did the heavy lifting. He, in fact, deserves consideration for a Nobel Peace Prize for his work.
It's just like Hillary to run in front of the parade looking for accolades for something she once mocked. She also once said she would annihilate Iran if they looked at Israel funny.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)You must really not trust your candidate if you feel the need to reach so low to come up with something ugly.
She did her job, and set the stage for the negotiations. She was correct when it came to Obama...there were sanctions in place that were devastating to Iran. Clinton worked the world to maintain those hefty sanctions so that Iran would get to this point.
She should take credit for her part in this. It is not a bad thing to acknowledge her work.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)And this has nothing to do with whom I support in 2016.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)It is just ugly. I am sorry that you cannot acknowledge when someone does a good job, even if they are in competition with your candidate. It is as if you must dehumanize her rather than just admit that we have good candidates running for President. Clinton worked her ass of at her job as SOS and was one of the best SOS ever in America.
She had a hand in laying the foundation for the Iran deal. She is not all evil, all bad. And she does not have to be for you to support another candidate.
Dang. (shakes head).
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Notice that she waited until Pres Obama had enough support to sustain a veto?
She has no political courage whatsoever on such grave matters as war and peace.
askew
(1,464 posts)She was against gay marriage at a federal level in 2015. She didn't shift on that until very recently.
She was against driver's licenses for undocumented Americans until the party moved left this year.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)She made this deal possible, she endorsed it months ago.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)It took may years to get to the point of agreement. And work by lots of people, including Clinton.
askew
(1,464 posts)Hillary had anything major to do with the Iran deal. She may have played a minor role much like Biden did. But, Kerry is the one who gets the credit along with Obama. If Hillary tries to take credit for their work, it won't go well.
Not only that, if Hillary was so in favor of the Iran Deal she should have given this speech a month ago to try to push Schumer and others into yes votes. Waiting until Obama has enough votes to sustain a veto is another example of Hillary following not leading.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)Give her credit, along with others, for the sanctions. As to negotiations, you will be hard pressed to find ANY time HRC spent with either Iranians or with the P5 + 1 foreign ministers at any substantial negotiations. Her agenda was public.
Compare to the months of negotiations Kerry personally was more involved in than anyone - spending hundreds of hours with Zarif and his peers.
Just as you are concerned that she will get no credit, some of your words leave the impression that she was essentially set up the deal. I think the better Obama's foreign policy is viewed, the better for HRC. Some of us objecting to your assignment of credit, think you are greatly understating John Kerry's credit.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)The secret channel? Did she go herself? Did she choose am aide to go?
Answer - OBAMA sent a trusted ally, SFRC chair John Kerry.
askew
(1,464 posts)She tried to take credit for Kennedy, Dodd, George Mitchell, and Rockefeller's work and they ended up having to call her on it publicly. If she tries to take credit for Kerry's extraordinary work on the Iran Deal or say that she laid the groundwork, she is going to get such massive pushback. People are talking about Kerry for the Nobel Peace Prize. No one is talking about that with Hillary.