Bernie Rising !!! - HuffPo

[WillyT]

Iowa Poll: Bernie Sanders Catches Up To Hillary Clinton
Most Sanders supporters said they liked his ideas rather than opposing Clinton's.
Annum Masroor - HuffPo
Posted: 08/29/2015 07:10 PM EDT | Edited: 3 minutes ago


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A new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll shows Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) only 7 points behind Hillary Clinton in the race for the Iowa caucus, a worrying sign for the Democratic frontrunner. Clinton leads with 37 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers, with Sanders following at 30 percent.

As Clinton's campaign struggles to counter negative press from her ongoing email controversy, Sanders has energized liberal Democrats with impassioned talk of political revolution. According to the poll, 96 percent of Sanders supporters said they support him for his ideas, while two percent said their support lies mostly in the fact that they do not support Clinton.

Clinton has lost a third of her support since May, the poll found. This is also the first time Clinton has fallen below the 50 percent mark in a Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll this year. "It looks like what people call the era of inevitability is over," said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., which conducted the poll.

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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

[peacebird]

1. "Clinton has lost a third of her support since May", sounding a lot like 2008 all over again....

[HappyPlace]

2. No candidate has ever recovered from losses like these.

There will be no recovering, all of her fuel has been spent.

All that's left now is arm-twisting and using party rules and tricks, like the debate schedule and superdelegates, to eke out a win.

Utterly disgusting.

[Flying Squirrel]

22. The superdelegates can and do change their votes.

50 superdelegates changed from HRC to Obama once he had secured the nomination (she released the other 246 later). And just remember there are over 800 of them, a majority of whom will be waiting till much later to endorse. It's too early to be agonizing over superdelegates.

[L0oniX]

16. She's busy threatening and collecting gutless pet super delegates.

I can image what she is saying to them. I think it may go like this: "Back me or when I win you will be ruined"

[SoapBox]

21. She's having more BIG $$$ fund raising in Los Angeles...

Article in the Los Angeles Times today...she's coming back here for 2 "Conversations with Hillary" PRIVATE fundraisers.

She is ALL about that money!

...makes me sick.

[A Simple Game]

24. News like this could cause her large donors to start rethinking their options. n/t

[L0oniX]

48. ...and Rancho Santa Fe next?

[Babel_17]

46. The "inevitable candidate" mantra needed shoring up

And nothing demonstrates your inevitability like having to twist arms. Next up, outspending your opponents 10 to 1, enabled by fund raising from the 1%'s institutions, to convince the 99% that you're their inevitable candidate.

Yeah, our party leadership has its collective head screwed on tight, ... not. I understand the desire to start celebrating as early as possible having arrived at a great candidate for the Presidency. But the doubts surrounding this inevitability mantra are like a ghost at that feast.

I think the leadership is waking up to the fact that if they keep helping to push this meme, to the detriment of other candidates, and meaningful debates, they risk a real reversal of their own personal political fortunes should things turn sour.

They wouldn't be able to just point at the process and say that's how the cookie crumbled, they'd have helped abrogate the power of the process. Political parties can run smashingly smooth after you pack away the dissenters off to the kid's table. Till the day that BS doesn't fly with the dissenters, and their numbers have grown to a tipping point.

This is that day.

[WillyT]

57. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!

[Babel_17]

60. Thanks!

[PatrickforO]

62. This IS that day! n/t

[arlington.mass]

64. What I wanted to say but better said

Enough with the top fundraiser winning!

This money comes from those we are struggling against!

AGAIN : "This is that day!"

[juajen]

54. Dnot put words in her mouth.

[L0oniX]

56. Should she win, good luck to the delegates who didn't fall in line.

[PatrickforO]

61. That's actually more real than you might think. Just ask politicians who endorsed Obama back in '08.

With the Clintons, there ain't no forgetting. You are either a friend or an enemy, and if they perceive you as an enemy they will roll over you if they can.

[ruffburr]

3. Maybe The DNC-

Third Way tactics are a bit askew, So sorry DWS, A Coronation is NOT going to Happen!!! No matter who wins.

[Uncle Joe]

4. Kicked and recommended for liking Bernie's ideas.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

[WillyT]

5. Anytime Uncle Joe, Anytime...

[WillyT]

13. BTW - That Observation Made Me Really Proud !!!

According to the poll, 96 percent of Sanders supporters said they support him for his ideas, while two percent said their support lies mostly in the fact that they do not support Clinton.

From OP.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Me as well WillyT.

[hifiguy]

18. Bernie really gives a damn.

And people can see it, hear it, and feel it.

[A Simple Game]

25. And it seems so much nicer to have someone you actually want to vote for instead of having to

vote against someone.

Voting for the lesser of two evils really sucks.

[arcane1]

27. Indeed, it makes a HUGE difference!! n/t

[Scuba]

41. Yep.

[Puzzledtraveller]

6. Berning for you!

[LiberalLovinLug]

38. Blue Oyster Cult..nice find

This would make a good Bernie entrance song

needs more cowbell though

[Puzzledtraveller]

45. I agree

I think Bernie would be great on a SNL return of the cowbell skit featuring "Burnin for you".

[dreamnightwind]

43. Hey, my son and I have been working on that tune

We started this last month and haven't done anything with it yet.


Needs a little work, or maybe it just seemed like a good idea at the time. Suggestions welcome, or someone can take it and run with it themselves. We may get around to recording it eventually, that was our goal.

Sing to the tune of the Blue Oyster Cult song:

Here in the city
Politics isn’t pretty
Voted for change
Got more of the same

Nothin to believe in
This election season
But here's Bernie Sanders
He's the real deal

Burn out the lies
Uncompromised
I can't see no reason not to put up a fight
I'm living for giving the people their due

And I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you
I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you

Mass incarceration (or Overflowing prisons)
In the land of the free
No blood for oil
And wealth equality

Corporations aren't people
Money is not speech
Renewable power
Keep temperatures in reach

Burn out the lies
Uncompromised
The hour’s late, no time for business as usual
Got to feel the bern, there’s no limit to what we can do

Well I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you
I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you

Burn out the lies
Uncompromised
I can't see no reason to put up a fight
I'm living for giving the people their due

And I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you
I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you

[Puzzledtraveller]

44. I like it!

Good job!

[WillyT]

58. Love It !!!

[Babel_17]

65. That's catchy

"Burn out the lies"

[cantbeserious]

7. No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[WillyT]

35. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

8. Thank you, WillyT, for another happy post.

[WillyT]

59. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[frylock]

9. Like a Phoenix rising from Arizona!

[magical thyme]

10. OH NOES!!!!! Bernie's hit the plateau again!!!!

Feel the BERN!!!!!

[L0oniX]

17. LMAO

[WillyT]

29. Here's His Plateau...

Looks just like the poll.



You know I'm sort of kidding here, right ???

It's all about your perspective.

[Enthusiast]

33. Pffft!

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[CharlotteVale]

11. K&R

[hifiguy]

12. You are rollin' Willy!

And so is Bernie!

[WillyT]

15. Just Reportin' The News...

[kenn3d]

19. And some further Iowa insights from the WSJ

Hope you won't mind WillyT... thought I could add this WSJ commentary on new Iowa poll here, rather than start another thread on the same topic.

The Iowa poll comes after recent surveys in New Hampshire showed Mr. Sanders erasing Mrs. Clinton’s lead, as she contends with a controversy surrounding her use of a private email account and server during her tenure as secretary of state.
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In a statement Saturday, a spokesman for Mr. Sanders said: “What this new poll shows is that the more Iowans get to know Bernie, the better they like him what he stands for. We’ve seen the same thing in New Hampshire and across the country.”

In recent days the Clinton campaign has been touting its strength in Iowa. It put out a memo on Thursday saying, “By the numbers: The campaign has 47 organizers on the ground with more on the way,11 offices open from river to river where volunteers are being engaged, at least one identified supporter in each of Iowa’s 1,682 precincts, and the support of critical community leaders across the spectrum who are committed to Hillary Clinton and will power this campaign for the next five months.”

Since May, Mrs. Clinton’s support among likely Iowa Democratic caucus-goers has dropped by 20 points, while Mr. Sanders’s backing has risen by 25 points since January, Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics poll results show.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/29/iowa-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-closing-in-on-hillary-clinton/

[WillyT]

20. Don't Mind At All... Thank You !!!

[Enthusiast]

31. Me too!

[Live and Learn]

23. That is great news! Go Bernie. nt

[Trajan]

26. Kick for Bernie !

Hell Yeah ...

[Armstead]

28. I uess this contradicts the notion that it's all about "Hillary hate"

"According to the poll, 96 percent of Sanders supporters said they support him for his ideas, while two percent said their support lies mostly in the fact that they do not support Clinton."

IDEAS! get it?

[WillyT]

30. Exactly !!!

[tularetom]

34. I started out being one of the two percent - I looked into Sanders because I didn't like Clinton

But the more I listened to or read what he was saying the more enthused I got about him.

Even though I had heard him for years on Tom Hartman, I really didn't know the man as well as I should have.

I still don't like Clinton but now I feel positive about an alternative. And now I'm part of the 96 %.

[Scuba]

42. No, no. We're all women haters! We only support the unelectable socialist 'cause we hate wimmens.

[arcane1]

51. The sole purpose of those accusations is to DISTRACT from his ideas.

And it is failing

[L0oniX]

53. You mean he doesn't hate women? Ok ...that does it ...I'm voting for Vermin Supreme.

[Enthusiast]

32. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[ibegurpard]

36. I like the fact that a very small minority

Of those polled are supporting him for "anti-Hillary" reasons. The support he is getting is for much deeper reasons than that.

[WillyT]

37. The Most Important Point Of All...

And a true... Game Changer...

If enough support it.

[LiberalLovinLug]

39. Exactly

good post.

And to be fair the Hillary camp also have a minority of supporters there for anti-Bernie reasons. The PUMAs never really went away. That he, not even an official Democrat, thinks he can uncrown Her inevitableness?
But most on each side should not fall for some of the more flame-baiting OPs we have seen lately.

The Bernie surge has actually been good for the Democratic Party in general just by giving HRC a little competition. If she had simply sailed through the primary season @ 80%, not only would that be a boring media spectacle, but she may take a bit of backlash by the appearance of taking an easy ride, in some voters eyes. More importantly to a few of us, it will force her, as the year goes by and his poll numbers continue to rise, (or even remain steady) to address responses to his positions, and she will have to go on record as to where her loyalties lie. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. She's earned at least that. Let her explain her reasoning for her hawkish stances, support of, presumably, ALL aspects of The Patriot Act, as she keeps re-authorizing it, along with its loose language around snooping on private citizens or kicking in their doors. Stuff like that.

[PatrickforO]

63. Yeah, honestly, I'm not supporting Bernie to be against Clinton. I just think he is

the better candidate for me. His positions on issues pretty much match mine, and I haven't had THAT in a long time. It's not about being anti-Hillary, it's about being FOR Bernie.

[Paka]

40. I've been excited since day one he decided to run,

and I will be excited throughout the election and cheering for his win. It's a fact that I don't like Hillary, but it's a more important fact that I support and believe in Bernie because of his stand on the issues.

[morningfog]

47. So what!! She has super delegates!!! Onward!

[L0oniX]

49. Super Dumbshits ...Stupor Dimwitts.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. Bet they're the same as 2008.

[RoccoR5955]

50. No need to settle for second best

Clinton may be good, but Bernie is better!

So here's a new slogan:

"Everything's better with Bernie!"

[juajen]

55. Caught up. Not quite.