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Now this is quite interesting IMHO.
Biden holds meeting with Elizabeth Warren in DC
By Mark Hensch * August 22, 2015, 12:50 pm * The Hill
Vice President Joe Biden made a surprise visit to Washington, D.C.s Naval Observatory on Saturday for a confidential talk with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), CNN reported. Bidens return to the District comes amid buzz he is seriously weighing a 2016 Oval Office bid.
CNN said that two sources confirmed the pairs face-to-face, the biggest indicator yet that Biden is seriously tempted by an Oval Office bid next year.
The vice president traveled last minute to Washington, D.C. for a private meeting and will be returning to Delaware, an aide told CNN. Biden spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff declined further comment on the alleged rendezvous.
CNN initially reported Saturday that Biden arrived in Washington around 11 a.m. and had planned on returning home to Wilmington, Del., later in the weekend.
Warren, a beloved figure in progressive circles, has resisted calls to mount her own presidential candidacy. She reportedly told WBZ radio in Boston on Friday that she considers the 2016 Democratic primary up for grabs.
I dont think anyone has been anointed, said Warren, who has not yet endorsed a candidate.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/251725-biden-makes-unscheduled-trip-to-dc-for-private-political
Metric System
(6,048 posts)know what the meeting was about, anyway. If the Democratic establishment really doesn't want Bernie as the nominee, as some of his supporters have claimed, then I don't see why Biden would enter the race. Biden and Hillary could split votes, allowing Bernie to win with not much more support than he has now.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but that doesn't preclude 'agreements' or 'understandings' in private meetings before hand.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I would be if she was the top ticket, I'd really like to see a woman president I'm not going to lie.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)While it is intriguing to consider a Biden/Warren ticket, I'd probably
stay with Bernie given that choice.
But as you say, if it was Warren at top, I'd have to completely rethink
who I'm supporting.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)And a hard one to beat. Would set up Liz to be the first female President as well.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)to be later announced, when timely.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Seems like it could be the perfect ticket when you think about it. Very Balanced, preserving Obama's legacy with Biden and bring the party to the future with Warren.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)outright declare or even telegraph your VP pick this far out is rare.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)THAT would be awesome!
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)whoever it's going to be under the bus. Pretty sure the 2016 nominee is going to lose, huh?
LettuceSea
(337 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)LettuceSea
(337 posts)If Joe runs, he's my first choice. As he was in 2007. This is the perfect balance to our ticket, if this actually happens. The news makes me very, very happy!
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)only to be replaced by a then 72 year old Elizabeth Warren. But, have an awesome weekend!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I've had enough of Biden.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... than a Biden / Warren combination.
And I bet should then wish she'd stay in the Senate, if he were to push and have signed in to law a "Bankruptcy bill" part 2 that did more of what he helped get pushed in to law earlier with that bill.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....I like where this is going.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and say Joe Biden is President of the Senate, and this probably has something to do with a Senate matter.
DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)Could be about that upcoming vote.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Unless she's having second thoughts?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Warren certainly has opinions about Wall St
The Obama administration may be looking to what might happen and pondering what interventions they might be ready to use.
But the treaty with Iran is sure to be high on the TO-DO-LIST once the Senate reconvenes
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the president wants her to shut her mouth about TPP.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)tritsofme
(17,325 posts)His could be an incredibly interesting candidacy.
Granted in recent years, the high water mark for serious late presidential entrants has been the day before they announce.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Biden/Warren. Lots of potential...downside they are both from the Upper East Coast.
Both have natural charisma, good name recognition, clean backgrounds mostly, and could likely beat anything the Republicans could hustle out there.
In this crazy primary time, choosing a maybe-VP to go on the stump...with "leaks" to go along with it, don't think Bernie could withstand that.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)esp. if Clinton bows out in time.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)She pales in comparison to this unit. I don't think she'll bow out, I think she'll be overrun and become irrelevant, fighting to the bitter end. Ironically, Joe takes votes from Hillary and Elizabeth takes votes from Bernie.
Need lots and lots of popcorn.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)announcement...just an understanding.
It's certainly not the first time someone has entered the race to become VP. It's just in this circumstance, one doesn't even need an inquiring mind to see the potential end game.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Posted: 08/17/2015 2:10 pm EDT Updated: 08/17/2015 7:59 pm EDT
Many thoughtful progressives in the Democratic Party, myself included, are suffering from a feeling of helplessness these days. We believe the Party is headed for defeat under the banner of Hillary, whose poll numbers are already not looking good. We fear disaster but have not seen a better alternative.
...snip...
This is the political situation that compels Joe Biden to run. He may not be a great candidate -- too old and too loquacious -- but he can win. Most important, he is well liked and even loved by many. His family is a source of support, while Hillary's is only a source of potential problems. He is a traditional Democrat, meaning that he represents the center left, which is where the votes in the swing states are. He speaks to the working class in a way that neither Hillary nor Sanders can match. Tactically, he can run on the promise of finishing the work of the Obama/Biden administration. There remains much to be done to secure universal health care, the economic recovery, reform of the criminal law and policing, as well as carbon reduction. Such a campaign positions him to profit greatly from Obama's support, which will be crucial for motivating minority groups upon which a Democratic victory must depend.
A Biden campaign, however, will disappoint millions of progressives who believe this administration has been too conservative and it will disappoint millions of women who support Hillary in part because they believe it is time for a woman president. These are real issues that Democrats cannot ignore and that Biden cannot surmount on his own.
A ticket that included Elizabeth Warren would speak directly and convincingly to both.
Progressives wanted Warren, not Sanders, to run. She has been the standard bearer for this wing of the Party for several years now. For her to win the presidency, moreover, would represent a more fundamental feminist achievement than a win by Hillary, who after all came into national politics as the spouse of a President. Warren, probably wisely, has renounced a run in 2016. Yet, a Biden campaign, cast as one of completing the work of this administration, would be understood -- implicitly or explicitly -- as leading to a four-year presidency. Biden will be deep into his 70s in four years, which is surely time to retire. In short, running with Biden puts Warren in the prime position to run on her own in four years. This prospect should be far more satisfying to progressives and feminists than watching a spectacle of self-destruction in the coming electoral season if Clinton and Sanders remain our choices.
A Biden/Warren ticket speaks to all the elements of the Democratic coalition. It speaks to the future, while holding on a little longer to the promise of the present. It would save the Democrats from their own worst enemies: themselves.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-w-kahn/heres-the-ticket-biden-an_b_7999724.html
I could get enthusiastic about this!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)than along came Bernie, and I liked what he had to say better, now this. Oh my, I, too could get excited. Going now to read it all.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)And offering a better chance of beating the Koch Brothers. Which is what it boils down to.
(They're strategizing this weekend here in Columbus on how to take the OH swing state. AFL-CIO had 3000 come out to protest...so Koch is on my mind too. My nightmares...)
So anyways, I think it'd be great if the author is on to something here!!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)Joe decides to run.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)No offense, but Biden is no match for Senator Sanders. Or Gore.
But, Elizabeth Warren...hmmm. If Warren decided to run for president, the choice would
be extremely difficult. Sanders? Warren?
In the end, I would still vote for Sanders and pave the way for Warren as the following president after Sanders!
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)can get more younger voters too and even cross over from fed up moderate republicans. IMO. And yes, Bernie is what we need!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But I believe her talents would be wasted as anybody's VP, she's needed in the Senate to provide a balance to our slimy incoming leader.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I speculated here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251534030
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm not seeing the connection
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Washington (CNN)Vice President Joe Biden met privately with Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Saturday in his residence at the Naval Observatory, CNN has learned, another sign he is seriously deciding whether to jump into the Democratic presidential race.
The vice president arrived in Washington shortly before lunchtime, even though his official schedule said he was planning to spend the weekend at his home in Delaware.
Kendra Barkoff, a Biden spokeswoman, declined to comment on the meeting. But an aide to Biden confirmed a meeting, telling CNN: "The vice president traveled last minute to Washington, D.C. for a private meeting and will be returning to Delaware."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/politics/joe-biden-washington-meetings/index.html
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It looks like pure baseless speculation.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)about Biden "will he or won't he?" stories. And it's all speculative until he
actually formally announces. But you knew that.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Her endorsement will be gold, Jerry. Gold!
djean111
(14,255 posts)If she endorses Hillary, that would be just another politically expedient endorsement, for me.
If she endorsed Hillary, I would still support Bernie. I can't really see her endorsing anybody at this time, really.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)He is running on their shared vision of America.
Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)Bernie's platform, Warren's mind, Biden's smile and Hillary's name recognition. And maybe her gender too.
Sounds like Warren.
George II
(67,782 posts)Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president
Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.
"All all of the women Democratic women I should say of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But I think that was way before Bernie was even considering running.
4139
(1,893 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)exercise the "opt out" clause, now that Hillary's history.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)Really?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)otherwise backpage story, is just another example of corrupted journalism in the USA.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm surprised no one else mentioned missing link.
I added it to op as well.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/251725-biden-makes-unscheduled-trip-to-dc-for-private-political
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)She pushed against him and Hillary for their support of this bill then?
https://www.americarisingpac.org/warren-slams-democrats-like-hillarybiden-supporting-bankruptcy-bill/
I would much rather her stay in the Senate and push back against this kind of legislation there, than watch on the side as someone like Biden signs in something perhaps even worse as president and her not being able to do anything about it then.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I'm personally hoping that Hillary's email thing is just BS cooked up by the GOP to hurt her.
However I'm not forgetting how far Edwards was willing to go basically carrying a hand grenade around with him that could go off at any time.
Maybe Biden knows a lot about it and is worried about her going down in flames at the last minute and their legacy being lost?
What if he's considering running with a much younger VP and then going for only 1 term to try to get us 12 years?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but some things are worth speculating about.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)because I'd be a bit conflicted it I had to choose.