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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:13 PM Aug 2015

Whaaaat? "Biden holds meeting with Elizabeth Warren in DC"

Last edited Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Now this is quite interesting IMHO.

Biden holds meeting with Elizabeth Warren in DC
By Mark Hensch * August 22, 2015, 12:50 pm * The Hill

Vice President Joe Biden made a surprise visit to Washington, D.C.’s Naval Observatory on Saturday for a confidential talk with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), CNN reported. Biden’s return to the District comes amid buzz he is seriously weighing a 2016 Oval Office bid.

CNN said that two sources confirmed the pair’s face-to-face, the biggest indicator yet that Biden is seriously tempted by an Oval Office bid next year.

“The vice president traveled last minute to Washington, D.C. for a private meeting and will be returning to Delaware,” an aide told CNN. Biden spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff declined further comment on the alleged rendezvous.

CNN initially reported Saturday that Biden arrived in Washington around 11 a.m. and had planned on returning home to Wilmington, Del., later in the weekend.

Warren, a beloved figure in progressive circles, has resisted calls to mount her own presidential candidacy. She reportedly told WBZ radio in Boston on Friday that she considers the 2016 Democratic primary up for grabs.

“I don’t think anyone has been anointed,” said Warren, who has not yet endorsed a candidate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/251725-biden-makes-unscheduled-trip-to-dc-for-private-political

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Whaaaat? "Biden holds meeting with Elizabeth Warren in DC" (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP
I can't imagine Warren endorsing Biden over Hillary or Bernie, especially Bernie. We don't really Metric System Aug 2015 #1
True dat. UNLESS Joe has a rock-star populist as his VP -nt- 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #5
I can't imagine anyone picking a VP this early. It would be very unusual and presumptuous. Metric System Aug 2015 #8
I'm not expecting an announcement of VPs any time soon either 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #36
Willing to ditch Bernie for Warren? Agschmid Aug 2015 #47
Not just yet. nope. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #49
A Biden-Warren ticket would be intriguing to say the least... ram2008 Aug 2015 #2
Yeah, but who picks their VP this far out? Metric System Aug 2015 #3
A long-term strategist. -nt- 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #6
It would be very unusual to announce your VP choice before the primaries even begin. Metric System Aug 2015 #11
Well, agreements about such things can be made in private, in advance 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #13
Would there be any other choice for a Biden candidacy? ram2008 Aug 2015 #7
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense if Biden were to run and win the nomination. BUT to either Metric System Aug 2015 #16
Warren in 2020 LettuceSea Aug 2015 #4
We haven't selected or, for that matter, elected the 2016 nominee but you're throwing DonViejo Aug 2015 #12
Biden for 4 years, then Warren in 2020 LettuceSea Aug 2015 #14
Yep, throwing him under the bus DonViejo Aug 2015 #17
Calm down :) LettuceSea Aug 2015 #20
You're the one all atwitter at the thought of Joe Biden running for one term... DonViejo Aug 2015 #29
No, thanks. bigwillq Aug 2015 #39
I would rather that we have Bernie at the top of the ticket, or Warren still in the Senate... cascadiance Aug 2015 #60
Biden has already implied he's only interested in one term.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #64
I'm going to go out on a limb here, KMOD Aug 2015 #9
Has Elizabeth declared on the Iran deal? DURHAM D Aug 2015 #22
She said she would back it earlier this month. KMOD Aug 2015 #25
Just did a quick google, it's about sea-monitoring funding, KMOD Aug 2015 #28
Yes, one alternat possibility is the hit the stock market took this past week. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #63
My thought was... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #66
Interesting hedgehog Aug 2015 #10
Interesting with the chatter last week that Biden may pledge to serve just one term tritsofme Aug 2015 #15
Food for thought. I'm a Bernie supporter, but could get very interested in libdem4life Aug 2015 #18
don't think Bernie could withstand that. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #19
I think this could be the shock political move that will take her out. libdem4life Aug 2015 #23
I'll repeat...who has ever announced their candidacy AND their VP pick at the same time? Metric System Aug 2015 #24
I mentioned "shock political move" and as I also inferred there wouldn't be an libdem4life Aug 2015 #27
I read an opinion piece in favor of a Biden/Warren ticket RiverLover Aug 2015 #40
That's a good article and I agree with everything. I was all in for Hillary, libdem4life Aug 2015 #41
I liked it too. A lot. Opens the mind to more possibilities! RiverLover Aug 2015 #43
Maybe pressing to get her endorsement in his consideration of whether to run? KoKo Aug 2015 #21
I look forward to Anita Hill's endorsement of Hillary if DURHAM D Aug 2015 #26
Out of every Dem and Rep presidential candidate, Senator Sanders is what America needs... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #30
I think Bernie Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #34
Warren is incorrect, somebody has been anointed, even if she doesn't buy into it tularetom Aug 2015 #31
Plan-B Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #32
What makes this meeting an "indicator" that he's thinking about running? arcane1 Aug 2015 #33
Reports like this one .. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #35
Why is a meeting with Warren a sign of running for president? That's what I don't get. arcane1 Aug 2015 #37
Of course it is speculation, just like 75% of the discussions on DU and in the Press 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #42
Perhaps that makes Elizabeth the king-maker. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #38
If she endorses Bernie, that would be icing on the cake, for me. djean111 Aug 2015 #45
I can't imagine her supporting anyone but Bernie. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #48
The ideal candidate has Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #44
She signed a letter to Hillary Clinton urging her to run. George II Aug 2015 #46
I had not seen that. hmmm. interesting. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #50
Hint that the White House thinks the Hillary server problem is going to get bigger? 4139 Aug 2015 #51
DUers who pledged never to vote for a "warmonger" can now oasis Aug 2015 #52
Hillary's history? Well, she WILL make history as the first female POTUS! Metric System Aug 2015 #54
Sheesh! Did I really have to add "sarcasm" to my post? oasis Aug 2015 #56
Around here? Probably. I'm kind of primed to expect negative comments about Hillary. Metric System Aug 2015 #57
I'm backing Hillary. This media manufactured blowup of an oasis Aug 2015 #58
Do you have the original link? thanks in advance. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #53
Thanks for the heads up. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #55
Probably more about the Iran deal than anything else. Biden is Obama's push man. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #59
Would Warren really want to support Biden who brought us the bankruptcy bill?... cascadiance Aug 2015 #61
In other words she's not fond of Hillary Fearless Aug 2015 #62
Just sayin' but what if Biden knows a bit more about Hillary's email thing than the media or the GOP hollowdweller Aug 2015 #65
We can only speculate 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #67
Elizabeth will not serve as VP under Biden, sorry to crush the fantasy. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #68
I actually hope you are right 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #69

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
1. I can't imagine Warren endorsing Biden over Hillary or Bernie, especially Bernie. We don't really
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:18 PM
Aug 2015

know what the meeting was about, anyway. If the Democratic establishment really doesn't want Bernie as the nominee, as some of his supporters have claimed, then I don't see why Biden would enter the race. Biden and Hillary could split votes, allowing Bernie to win with not much more support than he has now.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
36. I'm not expecting an announcement of VPs any time soon either
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

but that doesn't preclude 'agreements' or 'understandings' in private meetings before hand.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
47. Willing to ditch Bernie for Warren?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:42 PM
Aug 2015

I would be if she was the top ticket, I'd really like to see a woman president I'm not going to lie.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
49. Not just yet. nope.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:53 PM
Aug 2015

While it is intriguing to consider a Biden/Warren ticket, I'd probably
stay with Bernie given that choice.

But as you say, if it was Warren at top, I'd have to completely rethink
who I'm supporting.


ram2008

(1,238 posts)
2. A Biden-Warren ticket would be intriguing to say the least...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:18 PM
Aug 2015

And a hard one to beat. Would set up Liz to be the first female President as well.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. Well, agreements about such things can be made in private, in advance
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:25 PM
Aug 2015

to be later announced, when timely.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
7. Would there be any other choice for a Biden candidacy?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

Seems like it could be the perfect ticket when you think about it. Very Balanced, preserving Obama's legacy with Biden and bring the party to the future with Warren.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
16. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense if Biden were to run and win the nomination. BUT to either
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:26 PM
Aug 2015

outright declare or even telegraph your VP pick this far out is rare.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
12. We haven't selected or, for that matter, elected the 2016 nominee but you're throwing
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:23 PM
Aug 2015

whoever it's going to be under the bus. Pretty sure the 2016 nominee is going to lose, huh?

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
20. Calm down :)
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:31 PM
Aug 2015

If Joe runs, he's my first choice. As he was in 2007. This is the perfect balance to our ticket, if this actually happens. The news makes me very, very happy!

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
29. You're the one all atwitter at the thought of Joe Biden running for one term...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:43 PM
Aug 2015

only to be replaced by a then 72 year old Elizabeth Warren. But, have an awesome weekend!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
60. I would rather that we have Bernie at the top of the ticket, or Warren still in the Senate...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:48 PM
Aug 2015

... than a Biden / Warren combination.

And I bet should then wish she'd stay in the Senate, if he were to push and have signed in to law a "Bankruptcy bill" part 2 that did more of what he helped get pushed in to law earlier with that bill.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
9. I'm going to go out on a limb here,
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:22 PM
Aug 2015

and say Joe Biden is President of the Senate, and this probably has something to do with a Senate matter.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
63. Yes, one alternat possibility is the hit the stock market took this past week.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:02 PM
Aug 2015

Warren certainly has opinions about Wall St

The Obama administration may be looking to what might happen and pondering what interventions they might be ready to use.

But the treaty with Iran is sure to be high on the TO-DO-LIST once the Senate reconvenes

tritsofme

(17,325 posts)
15. Interesting with the chatter last week that Biden may pledge to serve just one term
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:26 PM
Aug 2015

His could be an incredibly interesting candidacy.

Granted in recent years, the high water mark for serious late presidential entrants has been the day before they announce.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
18. Food for thought. I'm a Bernie supporter, but could get very interested in
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:27 PM
Aug 2015

Biden/Warren. Lots of potential...downside they are both from the Upper East Coast.

Both have natural charisma, good name recognition, clean backgrounds mostly, and could likely beat anything the Republicans could hustle out there.

In this crazy primary time, choosing a maybe-VP to go on the stump...with "leaks" to go along with it, don't think Bernie could withstand that.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. I think this could be the shock political move that will take her out.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:33 PM
Aug 2015

She pales in comparison to this unit. I don't think she'll bow out, I think she'll be overrun and become irrelevant, fighting to the bitter end. Ironically, Joe takes votes from Hillary and Elizabeth takes votes from Bernie.

Need lots and lots of popcorn.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. I mentioned "shock political move" and as I also inferred there wouldn't be an
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

announcement...just an understanding.

It's certainly not the first time someone has entered the race to become VP. It's just in this circumstance, one doesn't even need an inquiring mind to see the potential end game.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
40. I read an opinion piece in favor of a Biden/Warren ticket
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:50 PM
Aug 2015
Here's the Ticket: Biden and Warren
Posted: 08/17/2015 2:10 pm EDT Updated: 08/17/2015 7:59 pm EDT

Many thoughtful progressives in the Democratic Party, myself included, are suffering from a feeling of helplessness these days. We believe the Party is headed for defeat under the banner of Hillary, whose poll numbers are already not looking good. We fear disaster but have not seen a better alternative.

...snip...

This is the political situation that compels Joe Biden to run. He may not be a great candidate -- too old and too loquacious -- but he can win. Most important, he is well liked and even loved by many. His family is a source of support, while Hillary's is only a source of potential problems. He is a traditional Democrat, meaning that he represents the center left, which is where the votes in the swing states are. He speaks to the working class in a way that neither Hillary nor Sanders can match. Tactically, he can run on the promise of finishing the work of the Obama/Biden administration. There remains much to be done to secure universal health care, the economic recovery, reform of the criminal law and policing, as well as carbon reduction. Such a campaign positions him to profit greatly from Obama's support, which will be crucial for motivating minority groups upon which a Democratic victory must depend.

A Biden campaign, however, will disappoint millions of progressives who believe this administration has been too conservative and it will disappoint millions of women who support Hillary in part because they believe it is time for a woman president. These are real issues that Democrats cannot ignore and that Biden cannot surmount on his own.

A ticket that included Elizabeth Warren would speak directly and convincingly to both.

Progressives wanted Warren, not Sanders, to run. She has been the standard bearer for this wing of the Party for several years now. For her to win the presidency, moreover, would represent a more fundamental feminist achievement than a win by Hillary, who after all came into national politics as the spouse of a President. Warren, probably wisely, has renounced a run in 2016. Yet, a Biden campaign, cast as one of completing the work of this administration, would be understood -- implicitly or explicitly -- as leading to a four-year presidency. Biden will be deep into his 70s in four years, which is surely time to retire. In short, running with Biden puts Warren in the prime position to run on her own in four years. This prospect should be far more satisfying to progressives and feminists than watching a spectacle of self-destruction in the coming electoral season if Clinton and Sanders remain our choices.

A Biden/Warren ticket speaks to all the elements of the Democratic coalition. It speaks to the future, while holding on a little longer to the promise of the present. It would save the Democrats from their own worst enemies: themselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-w-kahn/heres-the-ticket-biden-an_b_7999724.html


I could get enthusiastic about this!
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. That's a good article and I agree with everything. I was all in for Hillary,
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

than along came Bernie, and I liked what he had to say better, now this. Oh my, I, too could get excited. Going now to read it all.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
43. I liked it too. A lot. Opens the mind to more possibilities!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:08 PM
Aug 2015

And offering a better chance of beating the Koch Brothers. Which is what it boils down to.

(They're strategizing this weekend here in Columbus on how to take the OH swing state. AFL-CIO had 3000 come out to protest...so Koch is on my mind too. My nightmares...)

So anyways, I think it'd be great if the author is on to something here!!

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
30. Out of every Dem and Rep presidential candidate, Senator Sanders is what America needs...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:47 PM
Aug 2015

No offense, but Biden is no match for Senator Sanders. Or Gore.

But, Elizabeth Warren...hmmm. If Warren decided to run for president, the choice would
be extremely difficult. Sanders? Warren?

In the end, I would still vote for Sanders and pave the way for Warren as the following president after Sanders!

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
34. I think Bernie
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015

can get more younger voters too and even cross over from fed up moderate republicans. IMO. And yes, Bernie is what we need!

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
31. Warren is incorrect, somebody has been anointed, even if she doesn't buy into it
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:50 PM
Aug 2015

But I believe her talents would be wasted as anybody's VP, she's needed in the Senate to provide a balance to our slimy incoming leader.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
33. What makes this meeting an "indicator" that he's thinking about running?
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not seeing the connection

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
35. Reports like this one ..
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:24 PM
Aug 2015

Washington (CNN)Vice President Joe Biden met privately with Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Saturday in his residence at the Naval Observatory, CNN has learned, another sign he is seriously deciding whether to jump into the Democratic presidential race.

The vice president arrived in Washington shortly before lunchtime, even though his official schedule said he was planning to spend the weekend at his home in Delaware.

Kendra Barkoff, a Biden spokeswoman, declined to comment on the meeting. But an aide to Biden confirmed a meeting, telling CNN: "The vice president traveled last minute to Washington, D.C. for a private meeting and will be returning to Delaware."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/politics/joe-biden-washington-meetings/index.html

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
37. Why is a meeting with Warren a sign of running for president? That's what I don't get.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

It looks like pure baseless speculation.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
42. Of course it is speculation, just like 75% of the discussions on DU and in the Press
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:57 PM
Aug 2015

about Biden "will he or won't he?" stories. And it's all speculative until he
actually formally announces. But you knew that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
45. If she endorses Bernie, that would be icing on the cake, for me.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:35 PM
Aug 2015

If she endorses Hillary, that would be just another politically expedient endorsement, for me.
If she endorsed Hillary, I would still support Bernie. I can't really see her endorsing anybody at this time, really.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
48. I can't imagine her supporting anyone but Bernie.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

He is running on their shared vision of America.


Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
44. The ideal candidate has
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:33 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie's platform, Warren's mind, Biden's smile and Hillary's name recognition. And maybe her gender too.

Sounds like Warren.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. She signed a letter to Hillary Clinton urging her to run.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:41 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
50. I had not seen that. hmmm. interesting.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:56 PM
Aug 2015

But I think that was way before Bernie was even considering running.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
52. DUers who pledged never to vote for a "warmonger" can now
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:09 PM
Aug 2015

exercise the "opt out" clause, now that Hillary's history.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
58. I'm backing Hillary. This media manufactured blowup of an
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:29 PM
Aug 2015

otherwise backpage story, is just another example of corrupted journalism in the USA.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
61. Would Warren really want to support Biden who brought us the bankruptcy bill?...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:53 PM
Aug 2015

She pushed against him and Hillary for their support of this bill then?

https://www.americarisingpac.org/warren-slams-democrats-like-hillarybiden-supporting-bankruptcy-bill/

I would much rather her stay in the Senate and push back against this kind of legislation there, than watch on the side as someone like Biden signs in something perhaps even worse as president and her not being able to do anything about it then.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
65. Just sayin' but what if Biden knows a bit more about Hillary's email thing than the media or the GOP
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:29 PM
Aug 2015

I'm personally hoping that Hillary's email thing is just BS cooked up by the GOP to hurt her.

However I'm not forgetting how far Edwards was willing to go basically carrying a hand grenade around with him that could go off at any time.

Maybe Biden knows a lot about it and is worried about her going down in flames at the last minute and their legacy being lost?

What if he's considering running with a much younger VP and then going for only 1 term to try to get us 12 years?

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