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http://presente.org/press/releases/2015/8/17/latino-group-demands-hillary-cut-ties-private-pris …“We demand Hillary Clinton return and reject any and all donations and financial support from the private prison industry. Clinton can’t claim to be working to end mass incarceration while accepting donations from the very people who are bankrolled by it. Hillary Clinton claims to be the ideal candidate to represent Latinos, but that can’t be trusted if she is accepting money from the very people who have made billions of dollars destroying the lives of millions of immigrants and Latinos. For far too long, black and brown people have been arrested and imprisoned for minor crimes they commit at rates far lower than white people— all the while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars and millions of lives.
“If Clinton wants our votes, she must return, and stop accepting, dirty money from private prisons.”
About presente: With more than a quarter million members, Presente is a major national organization dedicated to amplifying the political voices of Latino communities in the United States.
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mucifer
(23,530 posts)He did apologize for it tho:
"I signed a bill that made the problem worse," Clinton told an audience at the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's annual meeting in Philadelphia. "And I want to admit it."
The omnibus crime bill that Clinton signed included the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/bill-clinton-1994-crime-bill/
I feel saddened that Hillary Clinton is taking private prison donations.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)terrible thing.
Private prisons are evil, but trying to propgandize the wasteland of election finance law left in the wake of the disasterous CU decision and turn it all against a Democratic Party leader because.....reasons.....is sickening.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)is why do you feel entitled to falsely claim.that she doesn't take bundled money from the private prison industry?
artislife
(9,497 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Response to artislife (Reply #41)
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ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Huh.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Private Prison Lobbyists Are Top Fundraisers for Hillary Clinton
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Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
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http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/private_prison_lobbyists_are_fundraising_for_hillary_clinton_20150724
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)Her relationships with some industries is a core weakness of her candidacy.
It would be a big mistake to not clean this stuff up now.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Someone points out the obvious fact that monied interests have compromised Clinton, thus making her an unsuitable prospect for President, and you compare her to the Manchurian Candidate. I think that is an incorrect comparison, though she does have a mirror in that show.
Mrs. Iselin?
Meet Mrs. Clinton
It's downright uncanny, the resemblance, both physical and emotional character.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)not me.
There is a big spectrum between influence and control.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I was pointing out that she isn't the Manchurian Candidate, but is more like the Manchurian Candidate's mother, played by Angela Lansbury in the original movie. It was an Oscar winning role for her as a woman so lacking in any moral compass or standard of ethics that she would compromise anything, even her own son, in order to gain power.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Seriously, should she turn down any money from any person who has ever had any association with this company or that? Sometimes I think you folks forget that it takes money to win a presidential election. We can't just lay down and die because somebody who has done contract work for somebody we don't like.
BY THE WAY - Prison Corps rarely donate to Dems in the first place. 80% goes to Rethugs.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Fake stuff like this about Bernie the Bernie folks would be super pissed, and probably hide that kind of thing. SMH.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Particularly those profiting from human misery
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It takes money to win elections. Given your apparently grave concern over the issue are you scrutinizing every donor to Bernie, including who they have ever worked with or for in the past?
Bet you aren't. Bet you have never even considered doing such a thing. We know that Bernie supporters don't seem to care that the NRA helped him get elected in the first place. I guess we can morph IOKIYAR to IOKIYABS.
Right?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)including Corrections Corporation of America and Geo Group.
That doesn't mean she's taking money from the lobbyist firm's other clients.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The CU ruling does not mean Democrats must take big checks from any possible source.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)The law firm has other clients who hire them for various purposes.
That would be like not going to a doctor because you don't like the doctor's other patients.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)There is no guilt by association!!
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It takes money to run a campaign!!
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)This lobbying firm works for a number of clients, including Hillary's campaign and many other companies. That doesn't mean that any of the other companies are giving money to Hillary.
A lobbying firm is like a law firm or a medical practice in that respect. Just because the firm or practice has many clients, doesn't mean those clients have anything to do with each other.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It speaks to their integrity. Out of the thousands of lobbying firms, she has to hire one that profits from human misery.
840high
(17,196 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The CU decision is horrible.
But just because corporations can legally give their money to anyone does not mean that candidates must accept and keep that money.
Public corporations, that is corporations that accept investments from the public, are required to act in the interests of their shareholders. If a prison corporation is giving money to Hillary or to a Hillary Pac or any organization that supports Hillary, it is because that corporation thinks that Hillary's election is in its interests.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)One of those 100 donors is a private prison corporation and contributed, say 50,000 dollars to the bundler, on condition it not be disclosed until whatever deadline there is, if any, on the disclosure. Which is perfectly legal in the CU wasteland.
It is far more complicated than folks want to believe it is.
Should the candidate refuse the 10 million? Or return all of it after disclosure is made, long after the 10 million is accepted from the bundler....who should not even exist and would not exist in such a distorted form if CU had not happened, and not to mention that the GOP refused to fix any of the problems SCOTUS said could and would be easily fixed...so election finance law was purposely left a wasteland by the GOP?
Play ball in the wasteland or abandon the field?
If you have evidence Clinton or any one else, makes no difference to me who, is directly and knowingly taking money from the evil men who turn prisoners into profit, please, let me know about it...maybe there is a fact versus speculation and accusation I do not know about....and other folks similar, generic accusations without evidence is not evidence.
Here is an article that gets into the complexity of lobbyists who work for law firms and other related business and act as bundlers and lobbyists, while their firm is being paid by various lobbyists for direct political lobbying work, - "campaign contributions" are not actually made directly or even indirectly to any ongoing political campaign, but to the law firm hired by the lobbyists for the industry.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
"Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests."
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Now, J.D., having said all that, I would very much like all the candidates to adopt O'M's comprehensive and well thought out criminal justice reformation platform...it is a thing of beauty and carefully thought out and doable mass reformation of the mass incarceration nation.
And despite the mass media suggesting complicated plans are not necessary and being crazy and blustery is all you need as a plan....you really do need a detailed plan when in government, just like in business.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)from bundlers and from lobbyists representing companies and non-profits with all kinds of interests -- a range of interests.
On the left, we have a candidate, Bernie Sanders, who accepts donations from companies and individuals who identify themselves to him when they donate and whose average donations is under $40.
Who am I going to trust to represent my interests?
Considering I am not a billionaire, not represented by lobbyists and not being wooed by a bundler, I'm going to trust Bernie, who does not deal with any of those much wealthier individuals and entities and groups than I, to really represent my interests.
And when it comes to the by my standards immoral business of private prisons, I'm most definitely not going to trust a candidate who accepts money from a bundler if that bundler is in part kept in business by private prison money. The candidate who accepts money from the private bundler associated with private prisons cannot, in my view, be relied upon to represent me adequately.
That's my opinion.
Hillary can identify all the sources of the money she receives from all her bundlers and lobbyists and then we shall see whether she is inadvertently or intentionally receiving money from private prisons.
Until then, the safe bet on this issue is Bernie Sanders.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)our elections. Hillary SAYS she opposes CU, but that isn't very convincing so long as she accepts any of it, no matter how 'legal', which of course it is BECAUSE of that money which has bought enough Reps in Congress to get them to vote to MAKE it legal.
Bernie is doing the only thing that can diminish the power of that money, publicly making an issue of it AND refusing to take it.
All Dem candidates should refuse it very publicly and then USE it against Republicans, constantly raising it every chance they get.
It is now a major issue with voters, this is the perfect time to use it against Republicans, force them to explain how the voters can believe they will represent THEM when they are taking these obscene amounts of money from special interests.
If Bernie can do it, so can everyone else.
Joe Biden recently named it as the #1 issue in this campaign, because he said, 'until this is resolved NOTHING ELSE will get done'.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)But I am of the view that if Obama had not chosen to fight fire with fire in 2012 we would not be having this conversation today, because President Romney would be in charge.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)She works with a lobbyist law firm that has other clients, including companies in the private prison industry.
If you've ever had a lawyer or a doctor, with a large set of clients, then you might be indirectly connected with some unsavory people, too.
For all you know . . .
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bundling that much money is not an easy thing to do. There is a small possibility that the assumption that a good part of the money raised by these bundlers is from private prisons is wrong, but that is a very, very small possibility.
In contrast, we are absolutely certain that Bernie Sanders is not getting enough money (probably isn't getting any money) from private prison companies to influence his ability or willingness to end the private prison industry.
The private prison industry is a path to slavery. The anti-slavery amendments to the Constitution do not prohibit slave labor by prisoners.
Private prisons must be utterly condemned. They are immoral. Utterly immoral. It is wrong to profit from crime or from convictions. Private prisons are a repugnant institution.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)It isn't evidence in and of itself. I read back through three links and didn't see any facts that supported that opinion.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)contributions, we have to assume that she accepts money from private prisons until she proves otherwise.
This is the problem with accepting money from lobbying firms. It hides the identities of the true donors until the recipient makes them public. We shall see on this one. I'm sure a lot of research will be done on this issue.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)I prefer to give all the candidates -- any of whom could be in the general election -- the benefit of the doubt.
Bernie Sanders isn't attacking Hillary Clinton, and she isn't attacking him. Too bad their supporters can't follow suit.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)And you are correct, very sickening
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)But you are right about one thing, Clinton accepting the money from private prisons (and Big Oil, big banks, and Wall Street) because of the CU decision is sickening on many different levels.
It's one of the many reasons I am unable to support her bid.
Someday you will have to tell us how you manage to stomach all that.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They were the first to promote them. Jerry Brown canned Bill out in a '91 PBS primary debate for it and was threatened by Bill on live TV. Revolting.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)from the prison industry.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Shouldn't be to hard to figure out which of the two could actually show that they haven't taken election donations from the Prison industry.
Given how negatively that industry impacts AA's, I hope that BLM will join in calling for such.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in incarceration has a huge impact on their community and fosters further racism. IMO Clinton may claim to want to help fight racism, and she might actually work for it as long as it doesn't affect the "bottom line" of Wall Street. Some wealthy people truly want to help the poor and donate to charities. I feel that Clinton, a member in good standing of the 1% club, truly wants to help the lower classes but is not willing to do anything that will hurt the profits of her good friends on Wall Street. I would truly be interested in learning about any stands she has recently taken that would indicate otherwise.
The 1% don't want to kill us, they just don't care if we die. Especially if it helps their bottom line.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The movement is more than Sen Sanders, it's world wide. The people of the world are ready to revolt against the Goldman-Sachs's and their owned politicians.
Those that chose to follow the billionaires are not Democrats. Those that think the billionaires will keep them safe and sound are fools.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and you worship a fake Democrat?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Anyone can label themselves a Democrat, but not everyone has Democratic principles. But I can see how it would be so much easier to just worship the label. No thought involved.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Joe Lieberman labeled himself a Democrat when it was for political convenience. Now here comes Bernie who has labeled himself a Socialist Democrat again for political convenience.
I have been a Democrat since I could vote and at age 68 I resent your comment that people like me don't think.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)for the letter behind the name are not very discerning. Your criticism of Sen Sanders was that he wasn't a true Democrat. I say that Sen Sanders is much more of a real Democrat than Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, or Arlen Specter. I can't support a candidate with a D behind her name that turned her back on Democratic values and chose George Bush and Republican values and invaded a country leading to the horrible deaths of hundreds of thousands. How can people just forget about that?
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)A lot of them were fooled and greatly regret their vote.
My only issue with Bernie is I don't think he can win. Well two issues I like Hilary. However, if Bernie is chosen I will gladly cast my vote for him.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)A decision that lead to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands including American troops. A decision that left tens of thousands of our vets wounded and even more with mental problems. A decision that allowed the government to clamp down on our rights via the Patriot Act and the NSA domestic spying. These are rights that it looks like we may not get back.
"A lot of them were fooled". No one was fooled. It was obvious that the Republicans were lying. If she was fooled by someone like George Bush, why should we ever trust her again. Especially, when we have other choices.
Those that don't think he can win haven't thought it thru. He has a much better chance of winning. The Republicans can't wait to dump on her. She has a ton of baggage. On the other hand there are Republicans that are responding positively to Sander's message. You said you would gladly support Sanders if he wins the nomination. Therefore if he wins the nomination, he will have all his supporters plus all of Clinton supporters plus some cross over Republicans. If Clinton wins the nomination, she will have all of her supporters, but she will not get all of Sander's supporters like it or not. Plus her nomination will unite the Republicans against her.
To make it simple. Clinton is a member in great standing of the 1%. She has very close ties with Goldman-Sachs and the Wall Street Gangsters. She has not committed to end the growing wealth gap that is killing our country. Sen Sanders on the other hand is not a member of the 1% and clearly supports the 99%. Unlike Clinton he is not allowing the billionaires to buy him with their donations.
There are two sides of this class war. Sanders is on one and Clinton is on the other.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)when to you and most of Bernie's followers think every other Democrat is a sell out and only Bernie is the answer. I think Bernie's fans are his worst asset. Not enough to vote for him but it's scorched earth to every other politician not named Sanders.
I will choose to ignore you from now on. We have no common ground. Have a nice day.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)A vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same. Sen Sanders isn't the answer, but the populist movement will work to achieve the answer. The 99% around the world are starting to stand up to the 1%. Why don't you join us? The billionaires may offer you security but they really don't give a damn about you.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Greece is crashing..Told ya no common ground
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)losing on this, we as a society have lost.
Shame to see such a horror, and I am sure you know the horror of private prisons, the dogs used, the torture that has been exposed, mostly of course on minorities, treated so flippantly.
There are Civil Rights organizations in this country who have been fighting this concept for decades, exposing the cruelty and profiteering based on human lives.
When it comes to issues like this it doesn't really matter to me which 'guy' is losing an election, what I and others who actually care and have cared about, is that this abomination be made illegal and anyone attempting to profit from human lives, spend some time behind bars themselves, though even they should be treated humanely.
Your bouncy balls are offensive to those who have looked inside those for profit institutions, seen the use of dogs and torture, not responsible to anyone but their CEOs, putting in mind, NOT democracy, but some kind of third world dictatorship which WE would point fingers at, but ignore our own.
Even if I were not a supporter of our guy, I would thank him for being one of only Elected Officials to demand the closing of this stain on this democracy.
I would think you might do the same.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's not as though the CU decision means that it's ok for Democrats to take any big checks they can get.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Let us assume a candidate is offered 10 million dollars by one person, money bundled from a hundred different donors.
One of those 100 donors is a private prison corporation and contributed, say 50,000 dollars to the bundler, on condition it not be disclosed until whatever deadline there is, if any, on the disclosure. Which is perfectly legal in the CU wasteland.
It is far more complicated than folks want to believe it is.
Should the candidate refuse the 10 million? Or return all of it after disclosure is made, long after the 10 million is accepted from the bundler....who should not even exist and would not exist in such a distorted form if CU had not happened, and not to mention that the GOP refused to fix any of the problems SCOTUS said could and would be easily fixed...so election finance law was purposely left a wasteland by the GOP?
Play ball in the wasteland or abandon the field?
If you have evidence Clinton or any one else, makes no difference to me who, is directly and knowingly taking money from the evil men who turn prisoners into profit, please, let me know about it...maybe there is a fact versus speculation and accusation I do not know about....and other folks similar, generic accusations without evidence is not evidence.
Here is an article that gets into the complexity of lobbyists who work for law firms and other related business and act as bundlers and lobbyists, while their firm is being paid by various lobbyists for direct political lobbying work, - "campaign contributions" are not actually made directly or even indirectly to any ongoing political campaign, but to the law firm hired by the lobbyists for the industry.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
"Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests."
..............
Now, having said all that, I would very much like all the candidates to adopt O'M's comprehensive and well thought out criminal justice reformation platform...it is a thing of beauty and carefully thought out and doable mass reformation of the mass incarceration nation.
And despite the mass media suggesting complicated plans are not necessary and being crazy and blustery is all you need as a plan....you really do need a detailed plan when in government, just like in business.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Timing makes it meaningless.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)the cognitive dissonance. Maybe they're fooling themselves. idk.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)the private prison industry is full of it.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She takes money from the oil companies, private prisons, the banksters.
They couldn't care less. Worshipers in a fact-free cult of personality. I trust HRH about as far as I can throw an office building.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)As chair of the senate judiciary committee. To be fair, crime had exploded at that time, and people were clamoring for tougher laws. I never agreed with them, but it is important to keep it in perspective of the reality back in that time.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It's not just a simple formula, it's a law.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That lobbyist works for dozen of different organizations. Weak sauce to say the least. The for profit prison industry gives 80% of their donations to rethugs, and I can't find where they have donated a nickel to her.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They are the ones you need to convince.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)privatized prisons. It is an offense against morality.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Prisons should be a burden on society instead of a corporate profit center.
We call ourselves "The Land of the Free" yet we hold more prisoners than any country in the world. Not per capita but by raw numbers. More than China or Russia.
We should be ashamed!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)
ananda
(28,858 posts)It corrupts the whole criminal justice system.
MBplayer
(73 posts)It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the immoral incentives that come from this cancer.
ananda
(28,858 posts)This society is just riddled with so much sickness.
I hate to think of all those people funneled into private prisons
just so a nexus of people and companies can make a profit.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)a back door to slavery. I'm not saying that it is, but we would have difficulty preventing it from being a back route to slavery. Since the prisons are full of people of color, the potential for a return to a form of slavery is very possible with privatized prisons.
artislife
(9,497 posts)
Perfect.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Therefore only the state can take away our rights which it will do if we commit a crime against the people.
This concept is perverted with private prisons. The corporation should not have the right to imprison us and hold us against our will.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)enough to begin prosecutions of the sick fucks who make money of misery.
I think O'M has the deepest understanding of that and, bonus, how to fix it step by step.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I support him. How this country ever allowed such a concept to even be discussed let alone become part of our so-called judicial system, has always been a huge question in my mind. There have been efforts to abolish them, people who have worked for years to try to expose the horror of these prisons, but Sanders is the only Politician I have ever heard call for banning them.
Let's hope other elected officials will find their consciences also and do the same.
I have seen documentaries on these abominations, facts that should be on our News media every day until the public's conscience awakens and demands that this stain on our so-called democracy is removed forever.
The Prison Industry writes laws that create sentencing guidelines, to ensure long sentences for minor infractions, so blatantly for the purpose of using human beings for profit. It is thoroughly sickening and I am so glad to see at least one politician shine a light on something the has rotted in the dark for decades with no one having the guts to demand an end to it.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Private prison companies make billions from our broken and discriminatory criminal justice system by disproportionately locking up Black and brown people in the country's most dangerous prisons, for profit.2 Furthermore, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is required to keep at least 34,000 immigrants locked up to meet a draconian federal quota at a cost to taxpayers of $2 billion per year,3 much of this going to enrich private prison companies. And nearly 20% of immigrant detainees are locked up for traffic offences.4 Imagine the devastation we'll suffer if the industry's lobbying power determines and influences the next president.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/private_prison_lobbyists_are_fundraising_for_hillary_clinton_20150724
brewens
(13,574 posts)up and get rid of those scumbags, WTF is everyone else thinking?
We had all kinds of problems with those assholes. Breach of contract by understaffing to maximize profit was one. They were accused of turning our state penitentiary into a gladiator school run by the inmates.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It might not pass Congress, so we should never ask.
Instead, we should pass more tax cuts to encourage people to not use private prisons. It'll work...somehow....honest.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)All kinds of amendments to that yellowing whale oil ink written parchment need to be done....21st century hardware updates are sorely need...the software doesn't run on the aging contraption anymore and it gets full of viruses.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Rather than simply mock someone. What do you actually think about the private prison industry and Democratic candidates taking money from them?
frylock
(34,825 posts)look upthread.
djean111
(14,255 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)
artislife
(9,497 posts)Thanks for the laughs, Fred.
MBplayer
(73 posts)
AllyCat
(16,177 posts)This is a change that needs to happen.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)GEO doesn't give money to Dems. So I think you can relax and shut down the new fake HRC issue.
MBplayer
(73 posts)This problem will only get bigger unless the DNC addresses it head on.
This is the #1 issue of many minority voters. Ignore their voice at our own peril.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)It seems like this should be a big deal for everyone, even those people who say "well if you don't want to be arrested or put in prison, just don't commit crimes". Every time I hear someone talk about how "free" this country is, I think of how people are getting rich off of the prison and parole system. It is shameful and it needs to change. So many lives have been ruined.
Prisons should be mainly for violent crimes. All others should be community service. I had a niece and her friend who went to prison for shoplifting at Walmart and resisting arrest. I cannot imagine how much it cost the taxpayers. And it sure did not teach her anything.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Would you want psychological counseling? Some sort of addiction program?
What would you suggest?
What about people who forge checks?
What about people who commit criminal fraud more than once?
logosoco
(3,208 posts)just selfish assholes and we can't fix that!)
I would like to see many more avenues open for community service. With so many elderly people struggling with money, they could use help with yard work and home maintenance. Most schools could use upkeep (painting, etc.) These jobs would be supervised by the people who would have to do them alone or by the people who would be working in the prisons.
Unless they are extremely screwed up, it seems like most people, when they have to expend time and energy and effort to atone for their misdeeds, I would think they would think twice about doing it anymore.
Putting a person in a building with other "like minded" people is not helping society at all.
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)azmom
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d_legendary1
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Not finding any at Open Secrets.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Once you know who which firm you're looking for Opensecrets becomes much more relevant:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000019&type=f
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)It is an industry with a vested interest in not solving or even alleviating social problems. It makes its profit from criminalizing venal behavior. As Americans move toward decriminalizing marijuana use, the assholes running private prisons will fight enlightened legislation tooth and nail, just as the Koch brothers fight renewable energy and propagate the global-warming-is-a-hoax hoax.
The idea that the CCA would take state prisons off the hands of the states as long as those states guaranteed a 90 percent occupancy rate should send shivers down the spine of every American except sociopathic stock brokers.
This is an industry whose business model depends on social regression. It must be put out of business and don't let the sophist free market fundamentalists tell anyone otherwise.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)CU. This is going to be a huge issue in this campaign, and even if she now returns those donations, the fact is it will only be because she felt she had to in order to win. Better to support someone who has refused all such donations without having to be reminded of why they should refuse.
artislife
(9,497 posts)She has a problem with comprehending that we listen and look at the same time.
And we actually have convictions.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)
Zorra
(27,670 posts)The Private Prison Industry is her cash cow, and Third Way right center corporatists strongly support privatization of all public commons.
Posted on Jul 24, 20
Lobbyists for two major prison companies—Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group—are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
The implication is that laws governing crime and incarceration will deliver more inmates and profits to private prison companies if Clinton is elected.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/private_prison_lobbyists_are_fundraising_for_hillary_clinton_20150724
Private prisons are like some horror resurrected from the Dark Ages by corporation loving republicans and the Third Way center right.
It becomes more apparent every day that general Latino community in the US is an informed, perceptive, and aware group, and is engaged in widespread critical thinking and is subsequently promoting constructive action that is making the United States a better place for everyone. (Except maybe Donald Trump and Sheriff Joe, they have a big sad).
Muchas gracias, presente!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)
Catherina
(35,568 posts) hifiguy
(33,688 posts)HRH supporters' complete denial and willful inability to acknowledge facts that are both well-documented and as obvious as a grizzly bear in a phone booth is truly breathtaking. Just what is so mesmerizing about this opportunistic transparently phony and two-faced woman?
azmom
(5,208 posts)Which makes Hillary's attempt at latino outreach, like this tweet from her campaign, laughable.
How to say “Go Hillary!” in Spanish. Cómo decir “Go Hillary!” en español. ( and they got the accent wrong on Orale)
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FairWinds
(1,717 posts)We are still waiting for an apology from you for writing . .
". . I feel sad some folks still think Clinton is taking "private prison money"
When one errs, the mature thing to do is fess up and apologize.
If you don't, we will know that you are a shill.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Got a link?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Did you think the poster meant BERNIE Sanders? I'm pretty sure he meant Fred Sanders (who posted that phrase upthread, see my link), not Bernie.
Apologies to all who deserve them.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)About 1,270,000 results
only link to him saying that is...
you.
What's a shill?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I guess you are just purposely posting prevarications.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)...
Like Hillary Clinton.
The heavyweight Democrat has a robust campaign machine — with political recognition, financial access, and unrivaled experience, her role in the presidential race is a solid one. She’s qualified, determined, brilliant, and pragmatic…and she’s keeping her eye on the Black base. With many high profile grassroots pro-Black activists publicly questioning her commitment to Black Liberation, she knows she’ll need Black foot soldiers with more reach and validity firmly in her corner.
Dyson is a good fit. He has the connections and platform without the threat. Cornel West is a threat. A few choice words about Clinton’s ties to mass incarceration and the Black base starts to look for other political options.
To me, Dyson’s article was a strategic maneuver — a preemptive setup that’s weak-kneed at best, and betrayal at worst. Dyson positioned himself as a respectable Black savior attuned to the revolutionary vibe, but deeply invested in capitalist/political infrastructure. Cornel West is his arch-villain, a fallen angel suffocating in the clutches of a demented satanic-like possession, while Dyson is a deliverer of reasonable truth and justice, even when, with closer inspection, his words ring shallow.
http://blackmillennials.com/2015/04/21/about-that-dyson-article/
THANK YOU LATINO BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
nikto
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840high
(17,196 posts)BeanMusical
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Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Demands cause me to react negatively no matter how worthy the position. Requests are much more likely to generate the desired result, in my experience.
azmom
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Just another fake scandal. That lobbyist Cali references works for dozen of different organizations. Weak sauce to say the least. The for profit prison industry gives 80% of their donations to rethugs, and I can't find where they have donated a nickel to her.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Here are three of them:
Daily Kos - Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 07:13 PM PDT "Private Prison Corporations Stand With Hillary Clinton"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton
Common Dreams Friday, July 24, 2015 "Guess Who Else Is Fundraising for Clinton: Private Prison Lobbyists"
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/24/guess-who-else-fundraising-clinton-private-prison-lobbyists
Americablog 7/23/15 3:46pm by Jon Green "Private prison lobbyists serving as bundlers for Hillary Clinton’s campaign"
http://americablog.com/2015/07/private-prison-lobbyists-hillary-clinton.html
The author of the Americablog piece, Jon Green, was a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012.
Hillary had better deal with this sooner than later...
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I suppose they will go under the bus next.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)could call the Federal Elections Commission and get them to end all political fundraising and lobbying?
Not a bad idea at all come to think of it....now where did she leave her Magic Wand?
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)how about NOT accepting the money . It's a huge step into the unknown I'm sure ( a politician refusing money from a parasitic group of lowlifes ) but maybe she could try this . She could say "No" .
Radical concept I know .
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Do not understand the whole "lobbyists", "lobbyist law crimes", "bundlers" and CU, also FCC regulations, that whole complex; and that whole complex's relationship to oligarchy in general and media in particular?
Not that many do.
"Just refuse the money".....what money and from who is she refusing it from because "the money" she "just has to refuse" does not come from the prison industry, it comes buried deep in a bundle.
Money from a bundler/lobbyist/registered agent/whatever other term they use to mask their roles as parasites on democracy.
I think a missile strike on the lobbyists is the only thing she really has the power to do.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)there is no possible way she could just refuse the money ? It may be a complex system but it isn't a complex issue to remove that particular political cancer .
Just say No .
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and that's why we support Bernie.
I've never been a Hillary fan, but I would like to say this kind of issue, for me, is not personal, it's systemic. The campaign finance system is so thoroughly rotten and captured by interests like this that any candidate participating in it is forever in its debt, industry interests have captured our government, no exaggeration. Their interests are not ours.
Industry makes money through forced labor in private prisons and by extracting fossil fuels rather than working on green alternatives, while we get incarcerated or killed by the impending climate catastrophe. This kind of talk used to be slightly hair-on-fire (not really, but it appeared so), now it is too obviously the literal truth, and actually an understatement of the impacts of it all.
Bernie actually has a chance, a long-shot to be sure, but he has a chance of getting elected without being controlled by these interests. In my opinion it's a wonderful opportunity and we are in desperate circumstances. We can't go on with business as usual, it leads to massive profits for a very very few and hell to pay for the rest of us.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Jennifer Kay
(28 posts)but never admit to the institution racism and profiling. The money that she is taking is absolutely disgusting.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I remember the judge who sentenced children to a privately owned prison and accepted bribes in exchange for their bodies.
That's the kind of industry we're talking about.
HRC should cut all ties with them and commit to shutting down the whole system.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)The for profit system Lobbied for the passing of Operation Streamline, a policy begun in 2005, which mandates that nearly all undocumented immigrants crossing the Southern border in certain areas be prosecuted through the federal criminal justice system, a departure from previous practices when most immigration cases were handled exclusively within the civil immigration system.
Operation Streamline has exposed undocumented border-crossers crossing to
unprecedented rates of incarceration;
overburdened the federal criminal justice system;
and added enormous costs to the American taxpayer
while providing a boon to the for-profit private prison industry.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I was unaware of this.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)It's an immoral if not evil, corruptive industry that has no redeeming quality.
Thanks for the thread, azmom.
marlakay
(11,451 posts)When i grew up it was non profit, i think health care started profiting in the late 70's or early 80's.
Making money on the backs of sick and people in trouble is just plain wrong!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)to make up for it.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm not finding any at Open Secrets. In fact, the largest CCA has only donated $2000 total to any Democrat this cycle.
senz
(11,945 posts)For more info see comment #70 on this thread.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Him bundling for her doesn't translate to her accepting money from for profit prison corps. In fact there is absolutely no record of them doing so as far as I can find.
It is just another fake scandal dreamed up by HRC haters. Like most of their comments about her, IMO.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's the same strategy of using your opponents strength against them that is planned for all the big donors. Just be patient and savor the moment after the election when the trap is sprung.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Unequivocal. No further debate is possible here (except with supporters of immoral for-profit prisons).
Wisc Progressive
(51 posts)Bill has come out and stated that it was a "mistake" when he advocated for and signed into law legislation to increase prison sentences. He claims it's a "mistake", but it's OK to still accept boatloads of money?
Scott Walker is setting-up Wisconsin's prison system up to fail -- he has been advocating privatization since his earliest days are a representative. I believe there was a thread about this here a few weeks ago, but supporting a presidential candidate or the DNC if they accept money from private prison interests undermines our chance to put a progressive candidate in the White House in 2016.
Scott Walker's Divide and Conquer Privatization Scams: For-Profit Prisons
More here:
Is Manufactured Prison Crisis Walker's Path to Privatization?
http://wethepeopledanecounty.blogspot.com/2015/07/is-manufactured-prison-crisis-walkers.html
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Can you show us where she has taken campaign donations from prison corps? Nobody else in this thread has.
It's simply not true as far as I can find.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Lobbyists are more like bookies, or pimps.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts).... and LGBT groups, and environmental groups, and black groups and every other public interest groups have lobbyists? Are you saying they are "pimps" too?
elleng
(130,865 posts)Phase Out Federal For-Profit Prisons. This includes closing for-profit immigration detention centers, while using alternatives to detention in the immigration context whenever possible.
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I could be wrong about that, but I think he did.
elleng
(130,865 posts)but if he did, looks like he's clearly learned the lesson and is out front with it.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)wonder how this is going over Hilllar.ys low information supporters?
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Clinton can’t claim to be working to end mass incarceration while accepting donations from the very people who are bankrolled by it. Hillary Clinton claims to be the ideal candidate to represent Latinos, but that can’t be trusted if she is accepting money from the very people who have made billions of dollars destroying the lives of millions of immigrants and Latinos. For far too long, black and brown people have been arrested and imprisoned for minor crimes they commit at rates far lower than white people— all the while wasting billions of taxpayer dollars and millions of lives.
Black and Brown people are beginning to Kick butts!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)"When congress reconvenes in September, I will be offering legislation, I will be introducing legislation, which takes corporations out of profiteering from running jails."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/19/1413392/-Bernie-I-ll-Introduce-Bill-Prohibiting-For-Profit-Prisons
Autumn
(45,056 posts)Time to do away with for profit incarceration and our politician should not be accepting doantions from these organizations. It reeks of quid pro quo. Our prison population is the highest in the world.
Bethany Rockafella
(952 posts)Not only HRC...every politician should. Why are private prisons donating to politicians in the first place?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's no different than taking donations from slave owners or pimps.
