Coulter Repeats What is Becoming Obvious to the GOP: They Don’t Want to Run Against Bernie

[NorthCarolina]

Coulter: I wish Fox News would go a little easier on Hillary Clinton. She’s the one we want to run against. Could you guys just back off? Because I feel like I’m living through this, I feel like this is déjà vu again. We used to say, ‘Oh, the next president isn’t going to be a guy named Barack Hussein Obama.’ Our next president could be Sen. Bernie Sanders, if you people keep this up.

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/coulter-repeats-what-is-becoming-obvious-to-the-gop-they-dont-want-to-run-against-bernie/

For once, I think I actually agree with Ann. The GOP would no doubt rather run against a politically like-minded Hillary with a populist facade than an actual peoples candidate like Bernie.

[notadmblnd]

1. Every now and then, they slip and tell the truth

nt

[daleanime]

36. +1

[tex-wyo-dem]

111. I'm sure Faux Newz has reams of...

Material to go after Hillary with, both contrived and false, and real and damaging stuff as well.

They got notin' on Bernie....

[staggerleem]

173. That's only because ...

... there ain't nothin' to HAVE on Bernie!

[DonViejo]

140. Right. The fact they want to run against Sec'y Clinton has nothing to do with the fact

she "killed Vince Foster; she's a lesbian who forced her husband to appoint two lesbians to his cabinet (Janet Reno and Donna Shalala); she stole millions in Whitewater; Travelgate; stole furniture from the White House when her husband left office; is responsible for Benghazi, etc., etc., etc." They want to run against her because they want to continue the smears. Hell, I'm sure a faction of the smear machine is already present on DU.

[staggerleem]

174. Faux News ...

... don't need no steenkin' facts!

[notadmblnd]

178. I've never said anything against HRC

and I didn't with my post. It makes sense that they want it to be her. Do I feel that way about her? No. But I think people like Coulter (sp?) are just itching to throw that kind of shit about her- out there.

[Enthusiast]

150. It's a slip up alright because they never intend to tell the truth.

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[Nite Owl]

2. Not only that but the GOP

is losing some votes to Bernie. Many a Republican agrees with Bernie! His appeal is universal and most want someone who won't be lead by the corporations who donate to them.

[cantbeserious]

9. Being Screwed By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Is A Universal Narrative

We all feel that pain.

[billhicks76]

101. Hillary And Bill Big Bush Supporters

That fact alone disavowed any trust I may have had for them after it became more widely known after 2000.

[cantbeserious]

105. Funny That Turn Of Affairs - Seems Others Would Notice As Well

eom

[billhicks76]

118. I First Noticed In '91

Last edited Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Bill came out of nowhere rising through the primary as an unknown centrist. Perot had joined the race to intentionally derail Bush Sr who he didn't trust and knew many a scandal about. It became obvious to me Bush Sr had been controlling the national security apparatus since being CIA Director in '75 and running the Reagan White House from '80-'88 and then taking over completely in '88-'92. I watched the PBS Roundtable Primary Debate where Bill threatened Jerry Brown over exposing the first private prisons and Bill and Sam Nunns connections to them. Bill turned beet red and wagged his finger angrily at Jerry stating," You don't know what you're messing with, Jerry." Ive never seen someone threatened like that on live TV. The implication was clear to me...things had already been decided and Clinton was the Bush hand selected opposition candidate in case he didn't win and Perot split the vote. Scary indeed.

[cantbeserious]

125. Great Insight - Thank You

eom

[MADem]

166. He had the attention of party leadership, though, much earlier.

I remember reading a very nice "roll out" piece about him when he was a first-term governor. It postulated that he'd have national ambitions down the line. He was listed as 'one to watch,' in essence.

However, if you think he was "pre selected" by some cabal, I'll have what you're having because the buzz must be superb. GHW Bush was supposed to win that election. It was a complete shock that he didn't.

Barbara Bush's ungracious attitude following that defeat, coupled with GHWB's deep depression, was all you needed to see. There was no master plan. WJC got lucky. He caught lighting in a bottle, and sensed the mood of the country--and he overcame a lot of personal baggage with personal charisma.

[George II]

176. He showed his "national intentions" back when he was a teenager and met John Kennedy.

[anneboleyn]

179. And during the 1980 Democratic Convention -- he clearly had national ambitions

When Clinton began to rise in the polls a lot of ordinary folks hadn't heard of him yet -- but he had been heralded as the "boy wonder" governor with excellent long-term prospects during the 1980 convention.

[MADem]

183. Sure, but he was at that youth government thing with tons of other kids. He didn't stand out, yet~

The party leadership noticed him as a young governor, and picked him to do the nomination speech in 1988....and he was horrible. He droned on, he was wonky, he almost did himself in! The contrast couldn't have been more obvious either (that was the year of Ann Richards and "Poor George, he can't help it, he was born with a silver FOOT in his mouth!&quot . But his charisma subsequent to that appearance saved the day for him....

[billhicks76]

180. I Heard Bush Team Harassed Perot's Daughter At Her Wedding

Perot didn't trust Bush because of what he saw in the early 80s in Latin America and The Middle East. He knew Bush was coordinating drug shipments for the Contras and Perot was a rabid anti-drug warrior. Bush would've taken him out if he could get away with it I'm sure because thats why he lost. I did not expect Bush to win with a split vote but I wouldn't have been surprised if he did. A cabal? I actually think its commonly accepted we have a shadow government of military contractors and Wall St crooks that are embedded in the agencies that run our government from the Military to the NSA and FBI. This is not conjecture. Its much like lobbyists who are appointed to run the FDA and EPA which allows corporations to dictate directives and actions.

[MADem]

181. Ross Perot ran E Systems in Iran in the Shah days. He was noted for taking superb care of his

employees. When the shit hit the fan, he gave all his housing to the companies that hadn't left, and evacuated his people well before the fall of the country. The other companies used his housing (it was like base housing, essentially) as staging areas to evacuate their people.

Even with Clinton's convention 'bounce' and the enthusiasm for his candidacy, most people I knew figured it would be four more years of SSDD.

[billhicks76]

182. GM and EDS

Yeah is remember my family members talking about not being allowed to have mustaches working for Perot. In the 70s mind you. He may have been conservative but he had integrity and believed what he preached. Bush Sr on the other hand is a snake.

[1monster]

177. Jury decision:

On Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I First Noticed In '91
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=523433

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Are conspiracy theories permitted in this group?

"Clinton was the Bush hand selected opposition candidate in case he didn't win"

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

163. And they need to feel the Bern.

[roguevalley]

23. they can bring up the pedo scandal with Bill and she is done

[zappaman]

32. Lol! Anyone still out there promoting that crap?

[sufrommich]

40. What???

[passiveporcupine]

71. seriously?

Why anyone is dragging Bill into this is beyond me, but to pull old conspiracy theory crap and expect it to hold water is unfathomable. It reeks of desperation.

[Plucketeer]

94. I'm perfectly fine with Hillary

running on her own strengths and legacy. But IF she were to win the WH, I'd have a really difficult time believing that Bill was all-consumed with raising fresh veggies and pursuing strictly social welfare causes. He's been pursuing blue dog notions ever since he left office. I think about that little bit of video of him colluding with Paul Ryan at some incidental meeting during the last WH race. It's a truly candid bit of footage where Willie has a big smile for Paul as they walk away from the camera. And as they do so, you get to hear Bill say "We need to talk about Social Security reform." <- that's NOT verbatim, but that was the flavor of his comment, and it's stuck with me to this day cause I remember thinking: You ass hole! Of course....... from the master of NAFTA and CAFTA and proponent of the looming SHAFTA, what would we expect?

Yeah - Hillary will do just fine. I hope she tells us all about Bill's organic crops.

[passiveporcupine]

96. Hillary is the one you need to worry about. Not Bill

She has her own skeletons, and goals that may or may not include or coincide with Bill's. But Bill will not be directing her path as President. I suspect she did direct his path a lot when he was POTUS. I think she wears the pants in that family.

[ncjustice80]

103. "Wears the pants"???

That is a sexist remark, dontcha think?

[passiveporcupine]

113. It's what I grew up on

When one partner in a relationship is dominant, and the other submissive, we called it "wearing the pants"...a traditionally male (testosterone driven) role.

I don't think of it as sexist, since it can be either the man or the woman. Some people are dominant and some are not. I don't care what their gender is, or even gender identity. Today there is probably a more politically correct way to say it. What can I say. I'm old.

[demwing]

137. Reverse it "Bill wears the skirt in that family"

sound ugly, right?

[Cheviteau]

167. Jesus H. Christ !!

Can you get any more pickier? Porcupine is correct. That saying is as old as the hills and is gender neutral. Your type worries about the most frivolous shit you can come up with. All the while believing you're some kind of god-send to spread the new politically correct verbiage to the rest of us sexist, ignorant yahoos.

[Lordquinton]

170. It's still sexist, wether you think of it as or not

Even when you were growing up it was sexist. You seem to realize it now, so maybe learn to change your language?

[passiveporcupine]

172. You've got a point.

How about this?

Bill is not the one to worry about. Hillary is the dominant one in that family.

[staggerleem]

175. Because nowadays ...

... ONLY men wear pants, right?

Oh ... wait ...

[Lordquinton]

184. Look up

You might see the point.

[staggerleem]

185. If the point is ...

... that some people ACTIVELY SEARCH for things to be insulted, offended and/or outraged about, then I see it.

The world has changed. Colloquialisms do not. Pants used to be the exclusive purview of men. They no longer are. Neither does "being in charge" belong to men & men alone anymore. The words have not changed, but fashion has, and with it the idea that only men wear pants, so only men can be in charge.

So I feel that if anyone is offended by the colloquialism "wears the pants" meaning "being the boss", that is THEIR PROBLEM, and theirs alone, and "the point" is what I perceive at the tops of their heads.

[Lordquinton]

186. The point is that it has always been offencive

Just because you were never told that before is irrelevant. The whole notion of a relationship having a boss is heteronormative, and rooted in patriarchal structures. Some try to preserve the structure, while some try to seem like they are progressive when they say sometimes the woman gets to be the man.

You keep saying "women wear pants now" as if that makes anything better. As if you should be given a cookie for not being a complete jerk about what women wear, ignoring that women have always worn pants. You are also ignoruling the implication that her husband is not wearing the pants (and to be clear, because this is Bill we're talking about, that he is wearing the skirt) The term has always (even when you were a wee lad (lass?)) Been a pejorative against men, and by extension, against women. It's saying that the man is, like i stated above, taking the woman's role and wearing a skirt, while the woman is acting bossy.

[ncjustice80]

187. There are a lot of offensive things out there- just becuase people are offended by them doens't make

it "their problem"- it makes the person who uses the phrase a sexist *&^.

[PatrickforO]

58. Not to mention tons of Independent voters.

All you have to do is hear the guy and you're going, "Wow! Finally!"

[Metric System]

3. That Ann Coulter...so helpful to Democrats.

[yallerdawg]

4. Amazing!

This is the one believable thing Ann Coulter has ever had to say.

We'll have to revise, "Lies and the Lying Liars..."

[TDale313]

7. Well, she also said...

That if the didn't run Chris Christie last time, Mitt Romney would be their nominee and they'd lose. Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

(And yeah, I actually do agree with her here. Ugh.)

[senz]

17. She shows how afraid Republicans are of Bernie Sanders.

Not so afraid of Hillary though...wonder why?

[Motown_Johnny]

153. She was right about Romney being the nominee and then losing.

We will never know if Christie could have / would have won, but she did that the knowable part correct.

[kenfrequed]

156. Yeah...

In 2008 she had actually suggested that if the race was between McCain and Hillary she would support Hillary.

I don't know what that proves to be honest. Nothing I guess. Anne is crazy as hell and I don't really think we can make much out of what she says either way.

Personally I think that the republicans would prefer to run against a candidate that doesn't have as much wild energy and that they would prefer to run against someone they have been prepping for over a decade. But I wouldn't really take the Coultergeist as evidence of that.

Like P.J. O'rourke said (paraphrased) "Anne Coulter says things sober that some republicans only say if they are angry drunk on two bottles of Tequila."

[onehandle]

5. Nice. Ann Coulter promoted at DU.

You don't think Coulter has an agenda?

[Metric System]

6. Ann Coulter is just giving helpful advice to Democrats. Don't you trust her intentions?

[malokvale77]

11. No...

I believe she was giving helpful advice to Fox and the Republicans.

[SonderWoman]

21. On national tv?

[malokvale77]

54. Where else...

would Ann Coulter promote herself and RW ideas?

Are you actually against FOX News going easier on HRC?

[senz]

26. Since when is Fox News "Democrats?"

Sheesh.

[oasis]

37. No worries. It's not like Bernie would accept big money donors if they

decided to switch.

Ann forgot to consider that during her boost Bernie brainstorm.

[KelleyKramer]

131. So FOX news are Hillary Democrats?

She was giving advice to Fox News.. so you see FOX as Hillary Democrats?

Interesting

Might need to go back to your people and work on those rightwing talking points

You are twisting into a pretzel

(oh and btw, if you lean to the right, might want to be careful with pretzels, one of them literally beat the shit out of President George Bush one weekend!)

[Metric System]

141. You're the one twisting my words like a pretzel. And who are "your people"? Do you mean fellow

Democrats, the majority of whom support Hillary?

[senz]

22. "promoted?" This thread isn't "promoting" her.

To her (and possibly to you), "President Bernie Sanders" is the worst possible outcome.

[Cleita]

25. No one is promoting Ann Coulter. eom

[still_one]

129. Isn't that something. This isn't the first time either where a right wing opinion against Hillary

has become the "source of credibility" among some at DU.

In fact within the last 24 hours they were quoting the great "Donald" with Chuck Todd how Hillary will most likely step down, and the positive response from some on DU of Trumps comments were cheered.

It is amazing is all I can say. It was also put up as LBN. The opinion of a right wing birther.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Yes, of course.

The GOP are hoping against hope that BS gets the nomination because they know he's the one who will be easier to beat. HRC is the one who's been polling ahead of all of Clown Car passengers for months, not Bernie.

Do you really think that Republicans would be encouraging the Dems to nominate the candidate they think would be harder to win against? Really?????

[sufrommich]

10. Wait,are you saying that you don't really believe

that Coulters concern is legitimate and that she may have ulterior motives? The hell you say!

[NanceGreggs]

20. Hey, call me crazy!

Just seems to me that the GOP would be clamouring to go up against the nominee they think they have the best chance of beating in the GE.

I can't believe how people are being played here - and don't seem to have the intellectual wherewithal to know it.

It would be like Dems begging for Ted Cruz to be the Republican nominee - and Republicans saying, "Wow, the Democrats think Cruz will be the toughest candidate to go up against, otherwise they wouldn't be hoping we nominate him."

Seeing through this bullshit isn't even about political savvy - it's about common sense.

[SonderWoman]

27. I have personally seen comments on rightwing sites...

Bragging about them donating to Bernie because "it's worth every penny to keep Hitlery out of the White House".

Actual quote.

[senz]

28. But what Coulter said is the opposite. OPPOSITE.

[NanceGreggs]

119. Yeah, well ...

... some folks actually need to see the thingy - otherwise they don't "get it".

Other folks "get it" without the visual prompt.

[NanceGreggs]

49. Oh, I don't doubt it!

The GOP is going to be pushing Bernie from now until he drops out of the race.

Watch those FOX-News polls over the next few months - BS is going to be gaining on HRC with each one. Those poll results won't match up with any legit surveys - but it is in the GOP's best interest to push the candidate they believe will be much easier to take on than Hillary.

I am absolutely astoundaghast (a Johbn Lennon-ism that comes in handy every now and again) that any Democrat would believe that the Republicans would be promoting the candidate they think would be the most difficult to take out as opposed to the one they think would be the easiest win.

Jesus Hussein Christ. The mind boggles.

[Andy823]

34. Exactly!

What is amazing is that most of the people the buy into this kind of BS are the same ones who used to, and still do, say that those who supported the president here were nothing more than "Obamabots, party loyalists, walking in lockstep, and couldn't see how wrong Obama was about "everything" because of their "blind loyalty". Now they buy into everything positive about their candidate, and get really pissed off when someone says something they find negative about him. I guess even Ann Coulter can be quoted when she says something they "think" is a positive for their guy!

[navarth]

61. Over the last 8 years I've seen plenty of criticism of PBO

but I never saw anyone ever say he was wrong about "everything". Perhaps you're just using hyperbole? Or maybe I missed something.

[Andy823]

126. That's funny

Because I have been told many times he was a do nothing president, no accomplishments, and of course a republican trojan horse, and a F'ing POSUCS. You need to read more.

[navarth]

142. If you say so

I wasn't trying to insult you. Too bad you couldn't return the sentiment.

[treestar]

192. Every time an issue came up

there were those who thought he was wrong. He just happened to be wrong 99-100% of the time.

[navarth]

194. and there were those that thought otherwise.

and some thought they were wrong and some thought they were right

and the world kept rolling along.

[NanceGreggs]

110. Hey, funny story ...

... about Obamabots and being accused of being blind "fans" rather than supporters ...

A few days ago there was an OP on the Greatest Page (68 recs last time I looked) about how someone had seen a Bernie bumper-sticker on a parked car in a garage. OMG! OMG! REC! REC! REC!

It seems the same folks who accused Obama supporters of being "the Tiger Beat fanzine-crowd" couldn't contain their glee over ... yeah, a bumper-sticker with Bernie's name on it.

[Andy823]

127. I saw one asking if Bernie supporters caused dandruff

One of the dumbest post I have seen, and yet it has probably gotten over a 100 recs by now by the same people who "always" rec up such stupid posts. Sometimes I wonder just how old some people really are.

[treestar]

193. My favorites were

1 - a post that said Bernie was "adorable."

2 - a post declaring being in love with Elizabeth Warren.



So I guess it's not just us.

[NanceGreggs]

196. I hear ya!

I'm particularly find of the " Bernie" responses - from people who once equated Obama supporters with teen-aged fans of their idol.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't remember any Greatest Page OPs full of posters swooning over an "Obama bumper-sticker" sighting.

[tea and oranges]

104. When I read stuff like what you've written

I just have to sit back, relax, close my eyes, & imagine the debates between Senator Sanders & whoever the clowncar chooses as driver.

It's going to be a thing of beauty!

For a taste, watch a few youtubes of Sen Sanders in committee meetings.

Joy awaits!

[LiberalArkie]

82. Coulter is probably correct. You really hate running against an unknown. Bernie is a known. HRC isn'

HRC isn't. With Bernie, no one knows what kind of ads will work. No one has any idea. Probably Bernie doesn't either. He does for the state race, but national? With HRC, the R's can save some money and pattern their ads off of Obama's.

Really an interesting idea trying to create the strategy of running against a real populist that does indeed mimic the general population.

[Jemmons]

161. Perhaps they just dread running against someone who is not as corrupt as they themselves are

Bernie Sanders is making it clear what is going on with labor markets and the economy. But most of that is only news to people who earn their living by working for others. If you run a business you would probably know very well the reality that Bernie want us to make a rebellion against.

[Fawke Em]

13. Bernie polls ahead of them, too.

So what?

[libdem4life]

12. I wonder...Hillary and the Republicans are like a bad marriage...same old issues,

same old responses, same old-same-old. Add in the press...same-old.

But they are going to have to shift if it's Bernie...and no, Democratic Socialist horror hour will be over by then. When people get that their fire station is socialist, and their police, and teachers, and libraries...on and on...it will get its own legs.

And frankly, that's about all they have on him.

[BooScout]

19. Naaaaaaaah...

They have a nice fat folder on him and would open it up and let fly asap if he somehow became the presumptive nominee.....we've already seen teasers of it..........socialist, communist, sexual fantasies about rape, orgasms and cervical cancer, an illegitimate child. All that has been brought up and much, much more will be flung at him 24/7. If you think The horror show is over, you have no idea how bad it will get.

I can see Megyn Kelly's intro now......'Bernie's LOVE CHILD......new revelations coming up!' And Hannity's intro.......'How the Socialist Bernie Sanders wants to destroy America!'.


Frankly..........they probably have a whole lot more than we realize and if they don't they will just make shit up. That's what they do about Hillary.

[libdem4life]

30. Socialist and Communist will be gone with the Primary. And trying to

smear a "kindly grandfather" with sex stuff? Especially if it's Trump. His closet is bursting.

And, we've never had an election in my memory where one side wouldn't smear the other. It's awfully hard to combat that...especially with sex porn or whatever.

[BooScout]

43. We are talking FAUX news here...

The one that promoted the 'Obama is a muslim' and all the 'birther' crap.

They will stoop as low as they want and the viewers will lap it up and repeat it as gospel.

[libdem4life]

53. Just a note: Meghan Kelly has "taken a vacation".

And, incidentally, Trump, Mr. Birther, may be in the race and forced to grow up a bit...so there's that...and many conservatives are warming up to Bernie. So, past doesn't always predict the future...especially when there is an unknown factor in the mix.

And Obama did what Bernie will likely do ... ignore it. Probably joke about it. Why? Because Fox Preaches to their own Special Choir. Notice where it got the Tea Baggers...President Obama.

On edit: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/more-and-more-americans-agree-bernie-sanders-and-not-just-those-who-identify-left

[BooScout]

57. So the right wingers are warming to the far left candidate?

Holy shit! I think I landed on some alternative universe here!

[libdem4life]

68. Uh, yes. It's going around the political circles.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/09/conservatives_bernie_sanders_lovefest_why_the_right_has_the_hots_for_a_prickly_socialist/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/23/1395700/-Republicans-for-Bernie-Sanders

I'm sure there are threads on here similar.

[BooScout]

76. From your link....

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/09/conservatives_bernie_sanders_lovefest_why_the_right_has_the_hots_for_a_prickly_socialist/

"In any case, much of the conservative talk of Sanders centers around a supposed common enemy — Hillary Clinton."

and

"...the most commonly cited conservative reason to cheer for Sanders’ run — he’s willingness to put up a fight against Hillary Clinton"

[libdem4life]

78. Yes, and....?

[Picking Dem]

85. Clinton will be voted by Establishment Democrats in the primaries

Bernie will be voted by everyone else, and that pretty much includes the 99% of the country.

[murielm99]

135. Not to mention,

an apologist for Trump? He may be forced to grow up a bit?

[senz]

134. Hillary went right along with those muslim accusations, too.

That may have been the moment she lost me.

[TheFarS1de]

35. So your point is ...

Only listen to Faux news when they are attacking Sanders and not when they are talking about internal issues within their own party . Got it .

FYI Coulter announced Sander's as a threat a few months back on Bill Maher . You may not like the woman but sometimes even those you like least may have a valid point ...... on the extremely odd occasion . If they were after smear tactics all they would have to do would be to copy and paste a few of your statements and then the GOP can have a field day with all the strawmen you are proposing .

[BooScout]

45. MY point is FAUX LIES.....

....about nearly everything. If you listen to FAUX news it's all total crap. They are the mouthpiece of the GOP. Their agenda is to destroy the Democratic Party and advance the GOP any way they can.

But, hey! Believe that Ann Coulter really wants Faux to be nicer to Clinton if you want to.

[NorthCarolina]

80. No,

there is no point...that's the point.

[restorefreedom]

39. they have nothing

and "teasers" of unfounded personal smears don't belong here imo.

its all crap, and we shouldn't be discussing personal attacks against any candidate.

[BooScout]

51. Do you really think those smears ...

....and they are smears, I freely admit they are smears, but they aren't my smears....they are smears that will be leveled at Bernie by FAUX and other right wing organizations should he be the nominee. They have not been repeated ad nauseaum yet because the right wing wants Bernie to win the nomination. They believe the only chance they have to win the GE is to have him be the nominee.

[ish of the hammer]

97. what might those smears be?

just asking what you think they may have on Sanders to smear him with? anything?

[BooScout]

59. We are discussing what FAUX News will sling.....

And if you think they won't you would be wrong.

[restorefreedom]

98. i totally know they are not your smears

i just hate seeing this shit about any candidate here at du. no doubt that in a general, the gop will make stuff up if they don't like the reality. but they should be careful. i am guessing there are a LOT of scary skeletons in their closets...

[BooScout]

14. OMG!

That justification is funny as hell! Ann Coulter knows full well that Bernie would in all likelihood loose the GE to whoever the GOP puts up. They want him to win the primaries...........why on earth do you think they have been so damned nice to him? Do you really think they won't go after him on the Socialist, communist etc rabid dog attack mode if he got the nomination? They are merely laying low and biding their time....and doing all they can to help him get the nomination by flinging the bullshit at Hillary every chance they get and hoping and praying something sticks.

Like it or not, a lot of American voters are ignorant as hell and will buy into all the right wing smears they throw against him..........look what the hell they throw against Hillary now. BENGHAZI! et al.

But thanks for the laugh.

[jfern]

18. Well

The one term black Senator from Chicago with a name that sounds similar to Osama wasn't going to beat the maverick war hero.

[NanceGreggs]

24. Bernie Sanders is not Obama.

Not by a longshot. The comparison is as baseless as it is ridiculous.

[NorthCarolina]

29. True,

Bernie is an actual progressive and not just another third-way politician who just plays one during campaign season.

[senz]

31. Yes, Bernie has been doing politics since before Obama was born.

[NanceGreggs]

77. And Obama has been a Democrat ...

.... since before Bernie was even - oh, that's right. Bernie still isn't a Democrat.

[senz]

84. It's not about labels, it's about values.

In this age of oligarchy, Bernie holds Democratic values better than a number of Democrats. Sadly.

[NanceGreggs]

90. And I value someone ...

... who has stood with the Party all along, and isn't asking for support and votes from a Party he has steadfastly refused to be a member of.

If I wanted to affix a label, Democrat-of-Convenience would seem appropriate.

[senz]

102. Some of his views are slightly to the left of what many, but not all, Democrats will admit to.

What does the Democratic Party stand for? I think it stands for what Bernie Sanders stands for. These DLC people, these third-wayers, are a hybrid between Democrat and Republican. This is why I've long considered Hillary Clinton a DINO. But I may be holding Democrats to a standard that some of them can no longer meet. Fortunately, there are still plenty of progressive Dems, and those are the ones I consider real Dems.

As for Bernie's relationship with the Democrats, it is entirely friendly and in alignment. He caucuses with the Dems and votes with them.

I'll bet you're itching to call him a "socialist." You seem to be into names and labels, Nance. That, to me, is a substitute for thought. You owe it to yourself as a voting American to always look deeply into the issues and the candidates' motivations. Don't stop at the label. Look below the surface.

[Picking Dem]

92. So? He has better principles than ANY of the current Democratic candidates

and holds true Democratic values and issues better than Clinton.

I'll be watching the windsock....

[NanceGreggs]

99. I guess I'm missing ...

... what is "principled" about asking for support, votes, and financial donations from people who belong to a party you refuse to be a member of.

As I said elsewhere, Bernie wants to be voted senior class president of a school he refused to attend. And whether anyone thinks he holds that school's values in higher esteem than any other student, that doesn't change the fact that he refused to attend the school he wants a leadership position in.

If Bernie is a "better Democrat than the current Democrats", one wonders why he doesn't actually join the Party and dazzle everyone with his "better than everyone" credentials.

[senz]

109. "Bernie wants to be voted senior class president of a school he refused to attend." ????

Bernis's not running for president of the Democratic Party.

He's running for President of the United States. And Bernie Sanders is, though you may want to refute it, an American through and through. Our nation's founders would prefer him over anyone who's running against him.

"one wonders why he doesn't actually join the Party and dazzle everyone with his "better than everyone" credentials"

Values, principles, honesty and moral courage do not "dazzle." They either touch the heart, or they don't. If you want to be "dazzled," follow Hillary or Trump.

[NanceGreggs]

114. Of course BS isn't running ...

... for president of the Dem Party. He just wants Democrats to advance his political ambitions while refusing to be one of them.

And my "heart isn't touched" by someone who wants the support, dollars, and votes of people he doesn't want to be associated with - except when politically convenient.

If I wanted my "heart touched", I would watch a couple of tear-jerker movies on TV. I'll be voting for a president next November, not an Oscar nominee for Best Heart-Touching Performance by a Non-Democrat Playing One When Politically Expedient.

[frylock]

116. Do you think independants or people not currently registered with any party gives two shits..

that he doesn't wear your precious jersey?

[NanceGreggs]

117. Do you think independents ...

... and people not registered with a party are going to sweep BS into the WH?

He needs Democrats - if he didn't, he wouldn't be running on their ticket.

[frylock]

121. Are you suggesting that if Sanders wins the primaries, that Democrats will not vote for him?

[NanceGreggs]

123. uh, yeah ...

... that's what I said.

[frylock]

124. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I don't know what the fuck your point is..

Sanders doesn't wear the team jersey. bfd. How does that cost him the GE?

[NanceGreggs]

130. Where did I say "it would cost him the GE"?

You stated that independents and those not registered with a party don't give two shits about his "jersey".

I pointed out that he'll need Democratic voters - not just indies and unaffiliated voters.

And yes, it does matter to some of we Dems that he wants support, votes and money from us - just as long as he's not expected to actually BE one of us.

As for his chances in the GE - not to worry. He won't get that far.

[frylock]

147. So, I ask again, are you suggesting that Dems will withhold their vote if Sanders wins..

the Democratic primary?

[NanceGreggs]

149. No, I haven't suggested any such thing.

Of course, many BS supporters have stated they won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee. But the vast majority of Democrats think keeping the GOP out of the WH is more important than having our own way.

[neverforget]

122. And the jury is in:

On Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Do you think independants or people not currently registered with any party gives two shits..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=523384

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is nothing but a personal attack wrapped up in some needlessly abusive language. As unnecessary as it was unprovoked

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Explanation: sadly par for the course in gdp.

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[frylock]

162. Juror #2 seems confused, as I'm a Bernie supporter

[senz]

133. Good lord.

You sound like ... an apparatchik!

I've never met anyone like that before. I didn't know there really were people like that.

Sigh. Nance, this doesn't sound healthy. Tomorrow's Monday, a new week. Do something entirely new and different this coming week. Kick up your heels and have more fun than you've had in years. You deserve it.

Sweet dreams -- and a wonderful week ahead.

[frylock]

115. yay team!

[senz]

198. Bernie is everything Democrats believe in.

REAL Democrats, that is. It's a set of values, not a "name." Heck, anyone can run as a DINO. (Ahem.)

And I hope you've gotten off to a good start on your week, Nance.

[NanceGreggs]

199. Apparently he's not.

Unless you are actually promoting the idea that anyone who supports HRC over BS (which is the vest majority of Party members) are all "not real Democrats".

Good luck with that.

[senz]

200. Oh I wouldn't do that, Nance.

I know that many, perhaps most, Americans are only vaguely informed on the issues. There are a number of reasons for this -- the corporate media, the busy lives and limited energy of overworked, underpaid Americans, and the efforts of SOME candidates to keep people in the dark about where they stand on the issues. Hillary is a familiar face; Bernie is not so familiar. Busy, tired people recognize her but they don't recognize Bernie -- although that is changing. People recognize Kim Kardashian too, you know.

But I do believe that there are Democratic vs. Republican values, and that is where Bernie shines. Because it's about the values, the beliefs, the vision for the future. Not the name. Bernie represents true Democratic values.

I hope you had some fun today - and will have even more tomorrow.

[NanceGreggs]

201. If Bernie represents ...

... "true Democratic values", why does he refuse to be a member of the Party whose values he allegedly represents? Why are his supporters always bashing the Party and its members, while maintaining that Bernie has a rightful place on the (D) ticket they seem to despise?

The "nobody knows Bernie" meme is wearing a bit thin. On the one hand, his supporters point out the huge crowds he is attracting - while on the other hand, they maintain that "nobody knows him".

I also believe that there are "Democratic vs. Republican values" - and yet this site is full of BS supporters quoting the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh, citing FOX-News polls as suddenly being an unimpeachable source of polling data, and parroting RW talking points when they shore-up Bernie's candidacy.

In the end, there can be only one. And that one will be Hillary Rodham Clinton, whether you like it or not.

Next November, I'll be voting for the real Democrat - not the Dem-of-convenience who his supporters hold out as being "more principled" than the Party he wants to further his political ambitions, but is not quite good enough for him to join.

[treestar]

191. So had McCain

There's a charisma difference. A major one. Bernie does not have it.

[Caretha]

55. We can only hope

that Sanders isn't an "Obama"

[treestar]

190. +1

Geez there is no way. They seem to insist because one person did it, anyone can.

[enid602]

50. candidate

The thing is, if the Dems elect a far left candidate, the Republicans will finally be able to elect a bat-shit crazy one. Like Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee or Rand Paul. Scott Walker will seem like centrist in contrast. Hell, even Trump would be a definite possibility. No more melba toast Romneys; they'll be able to offer their base the raw meat they really crave.

[NorthCarolina]

62. Nice try,

but I doubt anyone here is buying what you're trying to sell beyond those in the Hillary camp. Actually, I was being nice...it's really not a 'nice try', it's mostly just pathetic.

[BooScout]

69. Oh I think you're wrong there....

The O'Malley supporters are saavy enough to know what's going on with Ann Coulter too.....and I think Bernie supporters that aren't fooling themselves are as well. But if you want to think Ann Coulter is genuine.......then hey, knock yourself out, lol.

[SonderWoman]

15. FOX News polls, Email threads, and now Ann Coulter.

Listen to yourselves, DU.

[yallerdawg]

16. Can't we trust Ms. Coulter?

Author of "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans"?

Apparently, something she firmly believes!

[libdem4life]

33. After reading his rap sheet here, Ds should be rooting for Jeb.

[cstanleytech]

38. Ha, all of the republicans are running on the clown car platform so any democrat could

beat them.

[L0oniX]

41. I also think I agree with that succubus.

[senz]

42. Then again, perhaps Coulter does view Bernie with the same

smug, superior, ridiculing stance of a group here at DU -- who, it just so happens, also fear him.

OMG I'll just have to stop thinking along these lines, it's too horrible.

[sufrommich]

44. The naivete is this thread overfloweth. nt

[senz]

47. Gawd yer sophisticated.

[sufrommich]

52. Well I'm not Gawd...but thanks.

[Cha]

66. LOL.. "ann coulter".. ROFL.. I bet there's a teddy cruz quote floating around out there someplace

BS supporters would find helpful.

[sufrommich]

72. The whole right wing smear machine has turned their

Eye Of Sauron on Hillary Clinton all day,every day because they're afraid of Bernie...or something.

[George II]

46. It's reverse psychology - of course they'd rather run against the weaker Sanders. Their objective..

...by making statements like this is to damage Clinton's candidacy as much as they can so when she's the nominee she'll be weaker.

[Number23]

48. That's not what she's saying at all. I have no idea how you got that from that.

[NorthCarolina]

56. It's a direct quote from her...

how could that not be what she said?

[Number23]

60. Your interpretation of what she's said is what I disagree with.

She's saying Hillary is the one they want to go after. It's a leap to go from that to "they don't want to run against Bernie."

And from the second bit of her comment, she makes the idea of a Pres. Bernie Sanders sound like the worst thing in the world.

[NorthCarolina]

63. Well, to be honest

I think that your interpretation would require one to read it in a mirror since it's pretty much bass-ackward.

[Number23]

65. Well, I guess when dealing with people that think that Ann Coulter is speaking the truth about

something, about ANYTHING, that's probably to be expected.

[NorthCarolina]

67. Who do you think the GOP would rather be debating against in the GE when something

like the subject of Social Security comes up and the GOP starts to spin their...'we need to make cuts in the program to save it'? The candidate that is at least on the same page when it comes to things like chained CPI or means testing, or the candidate that proptly say's "bullshit - all that needs doing is to raise the cap on income".

If you think about the contrasts, the answer is quite obvious.

[sufrommich]

73. That's why the GOP are attacking him relentlessly.

Oh wait,no they're not.

[Number23]

74. If you think that the GOP would rather go against Bernie Sanders, a 25 year Congressman who seems

to have very few legislative achievements under his belt, vs. Hillary Clinton and her thousand pounds of baggage that also includes a billion dollar war chest, the damn near 20 times she's been named "most admired woman in America," and massive international name recognition then no wonder you got "they don't want to run against Bernie" from Coulters' sardonic "let up on Hillary."

[NorthCarolina]

75. I'm not really inclined to take advice regarding Bernie from someone who is

completely unaware of his political office. Just an FYI...although he HAS served as a US Congressman, he is currently a sitting SENATOR.

Fail...please try again.

[Number23]

81. I should have said member of Congress. Because FYI The Senate is a part of the U.S. Congress.

The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States consisting of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

[NorthCarolina]

83. Nice try...I understand though, was probably just a trasncription error. eom

[Number23]

86. Actually your "reminder" about his serving in both the House AND Senate makes my

point about his distinct and well discussed lack of legislative achievements over those long 25+ years even more poignant. Which you must have known already judging by the unintentionally hilarious nastiness of your "transcription" comment.

Thanks so much for that.

[NorthCarolina]

88. Call it as I see it. eom

[Number23]

89. So is half this thread re: your OP

[Fast Walker 52]

64. sh'e not really in so good with the GOP these days, and she may be trying to tell them some truth

rather than play games. But who knows.

[Geronimoe]

70. Ann Coulter has never been correct on anything

She opens her mouth a BS comes flying out.

I can't believe anyone would give a flying squat what she says.

[phleshdef]

112. She did say in 2012 that Romney would lose.

So theres that.

[Cha]

139. they're so desperate they need ann coulter's opinion.. it's hilarious.

[zentrum]

79. I read that Murdoch wants

…..Hillary too. He has a cache of scandals ready to go, real or Benghazi-style.

He fears Bernie because, Murdoch said, all we can do with him is attack him on policy and that's not a winning strategy for the Republican Party.

[sufrommich]

100. "He fears Bernie because, Murdoch said, all we can do with him is attack him on policy"

When did Murdoch say this?

[nxylas]

136. If money is speech...

...then his donating $3 million to her campaign says a lot.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/st_CLINTONvOBAMA20140702.html

[mike_c]

87. fucking aye....

[quickesst]

91. Come into my parlor...

.... said the spider to the fly.

[Jim Lane]

93. What Republicans really think

One possibility: They do want to run against Clinton, whom they've been vilifying for years and whose candidacy will mobilize their base like nothing else. They fear that Sanders's image as a straight talker would attract a lot of less-ideological voters who vote more on character than on issues.

Another possibility: They look forward to attacking Sanders as a socialist, etc. Coulter is saying they want to run against Clinton because she's engaging in misdirection, hoping to influence the Democratic Party into nominating the weaker candidate (Sanders).

Yet another possibility: Coulter knows that we'll suspect her of tactical lying (as in the second possibility above), so she's cleverly using reverse reverse psychology. She's misleading us by telling the truth. She really hopes we'll nominate Clinton; she makes that view less plausible by endorsing it.

And now, my take on these possibilities:

All three are wrong as to Coulter. She says whatever she thinks will get her attention from the right-wingers, be it truth, reverse psychology, or reverse reverse psychology.

As to Republican strategists in general, opinion is divided. Some think Clinton would be the strongest candidate, some think Sanders would be the strongest, and some are doing oppo research on O'Malley.

And, finally, my opinion as to who would be our strongest candidate in the general election:












Too soon to tell.

[ericson00]

95. she likes to mindfuck people

and Murdoch likes Biden, so we could cherry pick mindfucking games all we want. But given their actions, attacking mainly Hillary, its clear they're more threatened by her. They already lost to the Clintons twice (3 times if you count the 2000 stolen election)

[RandySF]

106. Because we've always listened to Anne Coulter before.

[stevenleser]

107. During the 2008 primary she said Hillary was the only Democrat running who was electable

based on the things she was saying. Of course, Obama was pretty electable.

Using Coulter's analysis to try to determine who we should nominate is not a good idea.

[Dawson Leery]

108. Clinton Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds.

Coulter and Trump are now being touted by the left to bash Hillary.

[rhett o rick]

120. Funny how some here read the OP and understand it entirely backwards. The Republicans think

that Clinton would be easier to defeat. Why? Sanders clearly speaks for the 99% and I think the Republicans are afraid of the populist movement. Also, Clinton has a ton of baggage that they can't wait to exploit. For example, I can just see Jeb saying, "When the chips were down, Clinton turned to the Republicans for leadership in the great I-War."
Also, the R-Clowns are afraid that they will lose Republican votes to Sanders, and not afraid of losing votes to Clinton.

Also, where Sanders wants to get Wall Street under control, Clinton is ok with the status quo.

So, Coulter said it like it is for the Republicons. They are afraid of Sanders. They are not afraid of Clinton.

[NorthCarolina]

143. It's simply this...the establishment in control of BOTH parties

is afraid of the populist message based in truth that Sanders delivers...plain and simple. They can't handle the truth....

[rhett o rick]

197. And I want them to know that they may be successful in defeating Sanders, with their

unlimited resources, but they will not stop the movement to throw the oligarchs out of our government.

If one supports the status quo, you are supporting the growing incarceration of American (mostly AA).

If one supports the status quo, you are supporting the drone killing of suspected terrorists in foreign countries. By the way the kill ratio of innocents to suspects is about 100 innocents to every single suspect. I ask you, how do you rationalize that?

If one supports the status quo, you are supporting the growing wealth gap which is a direct cause of the growing poverty in America. How do you rationalize that 22% of our children live in abject poverty? 45% of American children live in near poverty. How do Democrats rationalize that? While Clinton may say that "no one should live in poverty", she has yet to commit to supporting solutions for the real problem: The wealthy are not paying their fair share. She wants to "grow the economy". LOL. The Obama fans will tell you how well the "economy" has grown in the last 7 years. They probably won't tell you that the growth has been enjoyed by the 1% ONLY.

[cyberswede]

195. I agree. nt

[Flying Squirrel]

128. Reccing because it pisses off the usual suspects

Mainly the woodchucks and the intellectually dishonest among us.

[sabrina 1]

132. GOP can't run against someone who tells the truth, naturally they are not going to want to run

against Bernie.

He won't let them lie, about SS, about the TPP, Iraq or anything else.

And he's already beating them in polls. So soon they will start to attack him. So let them think he cannot win.

[blackspade]

138. Although, I loath to take anything the this asshole says....

At face value.
Any of our candidates will clobber the GOP klown Kkkar.
So her commentary is worthless.

[Eric J in MN]

144. In the last presidential election, the Democrats ran a successful incumbent

...against a guy whose only government job was 4 years as governor of Massachusetts.

Obama got 51% and Romney got 47%.

I hope the Democratic candidate will win this time, but the election will probably be even closer no matter who wins.

[humbled_opinion]

145. Exactly...

and it's up to us to make it a reality...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. Can't say I blame those pricks...they betta get ready to feel the Bern!

[lonestarnot]

148. Hey Ann, I smell hair burning.

[Motown_Johnny]

151. I thought I smelled bleach..... n/t

[fredamae]

152. Which makes me wonder

about some of the not so subtle and irrational attacks against Sanders.

[NorthCarolina]

154. Yes, it's true..

it's not just the GOP that is afraid of Sanders. The "establishment" is afraid of Sanders, and that includes both their GOP and their Dem contingents.

[ismnotwasm]

155. Agree with Coulter?

Ho-ly Shit.

[tavernier]

157. Nah. They'll paint him as an

anti Christian communist, and the wack-a-doodles will come out in droves to vote against him. It won't take much time or much paint to stir up a frenzy. Meanwhile, they will revel in beating Hillary to a pulp because for some reason, that's their favorite thing to do. It is the repugs version of "they killed Kenny". *pictures Hillary wearing little snowsuit, being run over by a salt truck*

Come to think of it, that's one of the favorite games played in DU lately as well!

[zappaman]

158. If Ann Coulter said it, it must be true!

[Bobbie Jo]

159. Riiight.

[BeanMusical]

165. Sid?

[Peacetrain]

160. Lord help us if you really believe that..

Because you are in for a world of hurt if Sen. Sanders gets the party nod.. you have to have more steel in the back.. and be prepared

Edit this to add... if Ann Coulter is saying anything nice about any Democrat.. LOOK OUT..

[leftofcool]

164. Great Jumping Jehosephat! A Coulter thread with DU recs!

[Cary]

168. Don't Listen to Coulter

She is a tired, angry, old man.

[red dog 1]

169. K&R...Thanks for posting

Fox News going "a little bit easier on Hillary Clinton"?

That will never happen, IMO.

[hifiguy]

188. There are times when the mask slips,

the cat escapes the sack, and truth is told even by the most truthless of professional liars.

This is one of those times.

They are scared shitless of Sanders because he is as clean as the proverbial hound's tooth and incorruptible. Always has been.

[treestar]

189. Yes they do

Of course they do. Then they would win.

Nothing Coulter says should ever be taken at face value.