Why do you think HRC would fight for the people as president? Why do you think she'd care about us?

[Ken Burch]

I can understand backing her on the "she's the only one who can win" myth, or the "think of the Court" thing, but why would anyone here think that a HRC presidency would actually be an administration that cared about the people at all, or that had any passion for wanting to make this a better country?

I'll back her if she does get nominated, and will post no more in this thread, but I'd really like to know why anyone who's even vaguely progressive would trust her to care about anyone who can't write massive campaign checks or who doesn't think Wall Street and Davos are the centers of the universe?

Why, in short, would you think a person of the suites would ever fight for the people of the streets?

[dsc]

1. Her record at State on gay rights and women's rights

to name one example of why.

[ibegurpard]

2. I dont

Which is why I hope I don't have to vote for her.

[onehandle]

3. Why do you think BHO would fight for the people as president?

Why do you think WJC would fight for the people as president?
Why do you think JEC would fight for the people as president?
Why do you think LBJ would fight for the people as president?
Why do you think JFK would fight for the people as president?

Shit on Democrats all day if you like, but HRC is #45.

[arcane1]

4. Many people are dazzled by the Clinton "brand", and project their own desires onto them both n/t

[TheKentuckian]

5. I don't. I believe generally speaking she will screw us even while maybe...just maybe now, might

sand some rougher edges a bit if it helps keep the big scam going with minimal cost to the wealthy if the polls look good and the messaging works for focus groups while not alienating very important people.

[hollowdweller]

6. I think she would. She's a politician and the middle class is pissed.

If she wants to get elected she will have to at least say she cares and if she wanted to get re elected she would have to actually have a record of making people's lives better.

It's really been a slow slide since the 80's and people have had to accept less and less since then. At one point with globalization people were willing to accept less because they knew companies needed to be competitive. However when now the top is raking in the profits and they are still being asked to accept less they are coming to the realization the era of actual shared sacrifice has been over for some time and they want the president to do something about it.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. Before she was a "person of the suites," she had an average midwestern suburban upbringing.

Privilege not only came long after her core personality was formed, it came hand in hand with public service.

This is not my vote for Hillary, it's my vote for not trying to pick her apart unfairly.

[quickesst]

8. Why do you care?

We already know that many Sanders supporters hate Hillary Clinton. They think Hillary supporters are too dumb to recognize that they are supporting the one percenters and the third way, whatever that is, and that the majority of her supporters will vote for her only because they "recognize her name." Last but not least they have already let us know in no uncertain terms that Hillary Clinton will not win the nomination, and that Bernie Sanders will without a doubt, hands down, take it to the bank, win the Democratic nomination and the presidency. I do believe the constant rehash betrays the confidence you, and they so adamantly cling to.

[Recursion]

9. There's no "fighting" involved; it's a dumb metaphor

We're nominating someone to administer an immense and complicated bureaucracy, which they only have at most partial control of 1/3rd of. It's not like someone pure of heart and true of purpose will release Excalibur from a rock in the Ellipse and lead a battle against the forces of evil. I've yet to hear a concrete accomplishment Sanders' fans predict he would achieve that Clinton would not.