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I really want Mr. Biden to run for President! (Original Post) akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 OP
She seems plenty viable to me. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #1
hillary is certainly viable. trueblue2007 Aug 2015 #2
It reminds me of the debates over a 'nuclear freeze' in the 80s... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #5
yes, we know you hate her Skittles Aug 2015 #3
Anyone who opposes Hillary Clinton's rightful ascent to the presidency is a misogynist RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #4
Just to point out that Biden voted for the IWR, Patriot Act, and was opposed to the raid against still_one Aug 2015 #6
Love Joe but I don't see him being to the left of HRC.... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #7
I think your analysis is right on. It would definitely create more suspense in the Democratic still_one Aug 2015 #8
He did vote against Kyl-Lieberman jfern Aug 2015 #9
I think Bernie supporters definitely would not move over to Biden. still_one Aug 2015 #10
No, but Obama fans who are now Hillary supporters might.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #13
I agree that Biden could say he will continue the policies of Obama, and that would be a positive still_one Aug 2015 #14
I think Joe would make a good president because he relates to the common folk..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #18
His baggage would fit in an overnight bag fadedrose Aug 2015 #20
Biden voted for the Iraq War NobodyHere Aug 2015 #11
Now she is "not viable"? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #16
Again VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #17
Neither is he. LWolf Aug 2015 #15
I actually prefer her to him. If I have to choose. CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #19

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. It reminds me of the debates over a 'nuclear freeze' in the 80s...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:17 AM
Aug 2015

The argument on the right was that if we agreed to a nuclear freeze we were locking in our inferiority. The demurrer was always asking the person making that argument if he would rather have the Soviet Union's hand (nuclear arsenal) or ours .


I rather have our hand than the GOP's hand by a substantial but not absolute magnitude. Holding the White House three times in a row is hard!

still_one

(92,168 posts)
6. Just to point out that Biden voted for the IWR, Patriot Act, and was opposed to the raid against
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:20 AM
Aug 2015

bin laden.

On most issues he is definitely progressive, but taking your assertion that Hillary is not viable, you do realize in the current polls Biden trails Hillary by a large margin. I understand he has not declared, and that may change, but your statement that Hillary is not viable at this point in time makes no sense

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Love Joe but I don't see him being to the left of HRC....
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:26 AM
Aug 2015

He also benefits from being above the political fray and enjoying slightly higher favorables than Hillary...It should be pointed out Hillary had favorable in the high 60s when she was SOS. Once she entered the political fray they went down precipitously.


still_one

(92,168 posts)
8. I think your analysis is right on. It would definitely create more suspense in the Democratic
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:36 AM
Aug 2015

selection process. I don't think Sanders or O'Malley supporters would shift over to Biden, I am not sure if some Hillary supporters would jump over to Biden

The one advantage that Biden could use is run as a continuation of Most of President Obama's policies

jfern

(5,204 posts)
9. He did vote against Kyl-Lieberman
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:37 AM
Aug 2015

which Hillary voted for. But true, why vote for either when Sanders is actually good on the issues.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
13. No, but Obama fans who are now Hillary supporters might....
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:32 AM
Aug 2015

Especially the ones who remember how nasty things got in '08.

Besides, if you like the Obama Era than Biden is the way to continue his legacy.

Biden would keep a lot of Obama's crew on in his own cabinet.

still_one

(92,168 posts)
14. I agree that Biden could say he will continue the policies of Obama, and that would be a positive
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:00 AM
Aug 2015

for him. Right now however, his poll numbers are dismal against Hillary in the primaries, and he comes in behind Bernie also. I understand much of that could be due to that he hasn't declared yet, but he has enough name recognition visibility that I would think he would at least come in higher in the polls.

This is not his first run at trying to be president. Joe has tried to run for President two times before, and this would be his third time. One has to question if he has the popularity within the party. This would be his third time at trying to run, and maybe third time is a charm, but I am pretty skeptical.

I know some folks will disagree with me, but I don't see much difference between Hillary and Joe as far as the issues are concerned.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. I think Joe would make a good president because he relates to the common folk.....
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:39 PM
Aug 2015

They would always be the ones he would be working for.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
20. His baggage would fit in an overnight bag
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:50 PM
Aug 2015

not a whole freight car going back to the 90's.....

And the republicans aren't going to stop with emails and Benghazi...they will go all the way back to both of the Clintons' early days in Arkansas and what effect they could have had on Mrs. Clinton. I don't want us to lose the presidency and the choice of the next Supreme to be appointed.

Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #12)

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
15. Neither is he.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:00 PM
Aug 2015

I'd support Clinton before I'd support Biden, and that says quite a bit, since I'd have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the polls for HRC.

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