Bill Moyers: The Left Must Derail Hillary Clinton in the Primaries

[ghostsinthemachine]

A BLAST FROM THE PAST (12-12-14) but relevant even more:

As a presidential contest between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush in 2016 appears ever more likely, it’s a good moment to ask what alternative exists to lying down and letting such a campaign drown the body politic.

Time is short. The queen of cynics, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, already has pronounced her gorgon’s judgment on the inevitability of Hillary versus Jeb. “The looming prospect of another Clinton – Bush race makes us feel fatigued,” yawns the perpetually bored Dowd, who, on the contrary, relishes a future of easy columns mocking America’s two leading political dynasties.

What about the rest of us? Is it inevitable that we swallow the nomination of the neo-liberal Clinton, whose support of Bush’s Iraq madness (not to mention Obama’s Afghan and Libyan stupidity) and her husband’s recklessly pro-“free trade,” pro-banker, pro-deregulation politics ought to send reasonable liberals fleeing? Is it predestined that principled conservatives accept the anointment of the thoroughly fraudulent Jeb, whose support of his brother’s interventionist folly, along with his own outrageous meddling as governor of Florida to “rescue” brain-dead Terri Schiavo, should give pause to even the greediest oil baron seeking patronage from a Republican administration?

http://billmoyers.com/2014/12/12/left-must-derail-hillary-clinton-primaries/

[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. I love Bill Moyers, but this was written by John MacArthur on Moyers' site.

Still, it's a good op-ed.

[Fred Sanders]

2. New-liberal, or neo-fascists, that will be the choice no matter what....to whoever is the author of

this misleadingly titled OP.

[DFL_Wellstone_dems]

5. neo-liberal and neo-fascist are not mutually exclusive.

In fact, they go together very well.

[daleanime]

28. In fact neither goes far....

without the other.

[TheKentuckian]

10. The Bush Crime Syndicate are Devine Right of Wealth style Feudalist minus a sense of responsibility

that would seem to imply at least in an appearances/propaganda way of nothing else.

[onehandle]

3. Interesting fiction. I wonder what Bill Moyers thinks. nt

[BainsBane]

4. the author is John R MacArthur, grandson of billionaire John D MacArthur

1 percenter and editor of Harper's Magazine. This is not written by Bill Moyers. He ought to know something about dynasties, being part of one of America's wealthiest families.

Biography[edit]
MacArthur is the son of J. Roderick MacArthur and Christiane L’Entendart, and the grandson of billionaire John D. MacArthur. He grew up in Winnetka, Illinois, graduating from North Shore Country Day School in 1974. He graduated from Columbia University with a B.A. in history in 1978. He lives with his wife and two daughters in New York City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._MacArthur

Beneath the article the OP cites above:

The views expressed in this post are the author’s alone, and presented here to offer a variety of perspectives to our readers.

[senz]

18. Harper's had been reliably liberal for a long time. It's former editor, Lewis Lapham,

was one of the strongest and most intelligent voices against all things Republican. I very much appreciated his nuanced, critical essays during the Bush years.

The possession of great wealth does not automatically disqualify a person's opinion in Democratic groups. Think FDR and the Kennedys. There are even Democrats who consider Hillary a liberal, despite her considerable material wealth.

[BainsBane]

24. Hillary is also liberal

I grow tired of the shifting standards for what constitutes acceptable human beings around here. Being born into obscene wealth is fine, but being born poor like Bill Clinton or middle class like Hillary Rodham and then earning a few million by writing a book and giving speeches isn't. An African American Senator who worked as a lawyer is a corporate sell out, but billionaires from aristocratic families are good liberals. One gets the distinct impression that particular scorn is reserved for those who exceed what some might see as their place in life.

[senz]

25. No, it's not "how" someone makes their money,

it's who and what they support.

[George II]

6. so you felt the need to post a column that was written even before you were a member here?

[Agschmid]

8. 0-7 Leave.

[senz]

19. Keep it up, George, and you might become the King of

non sequiturs.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Derailed in 2008, heading for a redux 2016.

[rock]

9. “The looming prospect of another Clinton – Bush race makes us feel fatigued"

So the problem would be fixed if we named them Rutherford and Scandavoy, eh? Then we wouldn't have that nasty thing with repetitious names showing up on the ballot. That's so confusing to so many people and overworks their minds. I get ya, Mr Bill.

[yourout]

11. “The looming prospect of another ClintoBush race makes us feel fatigued".....it makes me nauseous.

The Presidency was not meant to be some handme down that gets passed around like a family heirloom.

[Maedhros]

17. We're moving beyond political parties, and into political brands.

Elections are pure marketing.

[colsohlibgal]

12. It's True No Matter Who Wrote It And When

Bush.....Clinton.....Bush.....Clinton? Enough already.

Democrats need to turn away from neo liberalism, which is basically republican lite often mellowed by the cover of being socially liberal to some extent.

Hillary has taken over 2 million from Wall Street. We need to finally reign in Wall Street and help Main Street. Hillary is not the answer there.

Go Bernie!

[840high]

14. Yep. Thank you.

[George II]

15. You left out OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moobu2]

13. Why? so we'll get a republican president in the general?

because that's what will happen.

[RichVRichV]

30. I assume you have proof to back that up?

Because a couple recent battle ground state polls has Bernie and Hillary going nearly even with each other against pitted Republicans.

It's not Hillary or bust in the general in spite of what some people say. There are multiple paths to victory.

[BooScout]

16. ...

[senz]

20. Wish it had been Bill Moyers...

as I really respect this man. But HRC has made herself very, very powerful now in Democratic circles, plus her treatment of the "disloyal" is well known, so it takes incredible courage for any publicly known Democrat to speak out against her.

She really has shored it all up for herself. Too bad we can't quite figure out what she stands for.

[oasis]

21. Oasis:The Left Must Derail GOP Designs in the Supreme Court.

Keep your eyes on the prize.

[DanTex]

22. Wow, false author attribution. This could be a new low in Hillary-bashing!

December 12, 2014
by John R. MacArthur

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Good catch.

eom

[senz]

26. It was "caught" at the beginning of the thread.

Whether or not it was intentional on the part of the OP has not been proven. I think it's doubtful.

[ghostsinthemachine]

29. Wasn't intentional

Thought that it was the title of the 2nd post I didn't need to change it.....

[Thinkingabout]

27. Having a choice of lesser qualified is better so there would not be another Clinton/Bush ticket.

Now this is totally unreasonable, like shooting yourself in the kneecaps and expecting to walk away.

[L0oniX]

31. K & R

[fadedrose]

32. Maybe Trump will handle the Bush Dynasty

That's half of that problem...., let's see what else can be done...