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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:17 PM

Gun reformers press Obama for action

By Mike Lillis - 01/24/12 03:42 PM ET

Some of the country's most prominent gun reformers are urging President Obama to promote stricter firearm rules in tonight's national address.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns a group headed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino called on Obama this week to use the State of the Union speech to press Congress for tighter background checks on potential weapons buyers.

"Last year, 12,000 Americans were murdered with guns," Bloomberg and Menino wrote Monday in a letter to Obama. "But the grim fact that guns are used to murder 34 people a day is barely discussed in Washington even though the tragic reality is that many of those lives could have been saved if the federal government had fixed its broken background check system."

The gun-reform push carries special resonance surrounding this year's State of the Union, as Rep. Gabrielle Giffords an Arizona Democrat who survived an assassination attempt last year is expected to attend.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/206201-gun-reformers-press-obama-ahead-of-sotu

My question to you: will gun control be an election issue this year?

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ellisonz Jan 2012 OP
REP Jan 2012 #1
tularetom Jan 2012 #2
ellisonz Jan 2012 #3
julian09 Jan 2012 #4
ellisonz Jan 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #7
ellisonz Jan 2012 #9
X_Digger Jan 2012 #12
ellisonz Jan 2012 #13
X_Digger Jan 2012 #14
ellisonz Jan 2012 #15
X_Digger Jan 2012 #17
Responder3 Jan 2012 #22
NYC_SKP Jan 2012 #6
Kwarg Jan 2012 #8
pinto Jan 2012 #10
pinto Jan 2012 #11
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #19
Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #21
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #23
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #25
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #27
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #28
ellisonz Jan 2012 #26
jberryhill Jan 2012 #16
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #18
Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #20
steve2470 Jan 2012 #24

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:08 PM

2. Well I got a letter from the NRA

That said that Obama had already placed all sorts of unreasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms.

So WTF is it with this Obama guy? He's managed to piss off all the nuts on both sides of this debate.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:15 PM

3. The NRA is pretty reactionary...

...but it just goes to show that their 2012 campaign against Obama is underway.

Obama is pissing people off on both sides because there in unreasonableness on both sides.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:00 PM

4. Al Gore lost election because of stance on guns.

 

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Response to julian09 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:01 PM

5. Two words: Ralph Nader. n/t

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:25 PM

7. Lots of state and local elections have effectively been lost over gun rights

The intelligent people who care about the party are declaring it a loser and running away from it.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:32 PM

9. We will get a better idea tonight if the President is going to address the issue further...

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am

http://azstarnet.com/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html

I think we might get some comments like this tonight. The White House didn't issue an official statement on the shooting anniversary, so they might basically do so tonight.

Not much longer to wait...

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:55 PM

12. Nope. Better luck next time. n/t

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:59 PM

13. Good thing...

...the NRA is going to spend tens of million attacking him.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:04 AM

14. Or supporting Democrats who support the second amendment

Such as these from 2010..


House:
Altmire, Jason (D-PA)...............$9,900
Arcuri, Michael (D-NY)..............$2,000
Baca, Joe (D-CA)....................$3,000
Barrow, John (D-GA).................$9,900
Berry, Marion (D-AR)................$1,500
Bishop, Sanford D Jr (D-GA).........$7,600
Boccieri, John A (D-OH).............$6,100
Boren, Dan (D-OK)...................$4,950
Boswell, Leonard L (D-IA)...........$7,950
Boucher, Rick (D-VA)................$5,950
Boyd, Allen (D-FL)..................$9,900
Bright, Bobby (D-AL)...............$10,050
....
Total: $335,700

Senate:
Dorgan, Byron L (D-ND)..............$2,500
Ellsworth, Brad (D-IN)..............$9,900
Manchin, Joe (D-WV).................$4,950
Reid, Harry (D-NV)..................$4,950
Total: $22,300

Additional Independent Expenditures to Democratic candidates:

Altmire, Jason..............$10,346
Boren, Dan...................$8,175
Boyd, Allen.................$14,377
Cardoza, Dennis..............$4,322
Childers, Travis W...........$4,518
Davis, Lincoln...............$6,539
Dingell, John D..............$3,626
....
Total: $171,618

Grand Total: $529,618



Or the long list of Dem candidates endorsed..

2010 Democratic Endorsements:
Alaska
Scott Kawasaki
Jim Folsom, Jr.

Alabama
Jan Cook
Bobby Bright
Tammy L. Irons
Tom Butler
Zeb Little
Roger Bedford, Jr.
Lowell Barron
Larry Means
Phil Poole
Marc Keahey
T.D. "Ted" Little
Billy Beasley
John "Jody" Letson
Ken Guin
William E. Thigpen, Sr.
Johnny Mack Morrow
Randy Hinshaw
Butch Taylor
......
Wyoming:
Kathlyn Sessions
Saundra Meyer
Stan Blake
Michael Gilmore

Wisconsin:
Ron Kind
Steve Kagen
Russ Decker
Kathleen Vinehout
Amy Sue Vruwink
Marlin Schneider
Chris Danou

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:11 AM

15. Which is like what: 12% of their contribution to the cycle?

Just admit it: the NRA will attack Obama no matter what because he is a Democrat.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 09:01 AM

17. Actually, in the house, it splits 65/35

The percentage going to Dems was 47% before 1994. After the so-called 'assault weapons ban' it dropped to 10%. It's been climbing back up since then.

It didn't help that the President had a renewal of the 'ban' as part of his platform on change.gov then whitehouse.gov.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 02:31 PM

22. That is true.

 

Remember how Clinton was "coming for bour guns!"?

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:31 PM

8. Bad idea

 

Gun control reform is unnecessary at this time.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:53 PM

10. RKBA issues are best discussed in tthe RKBA forum. Thanks.

Locking ~ pinto

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:54 PM

11. On some review, unlocked.

~ pinto

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Response to pinto (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:42 PM

19. As a mod, you should be able to move the thread to a more appropriate area

Its one of the few things about the new DU3 I do not like

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:34 PM

21. There are no more mods

Hosts have only one power and that is to lock off topic threads.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:06 PM

23. Mods by any name...and they should be able to shuffle threads to the right group/forum

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:15 PM

25. There's no such option for hosts

They're nothing like mods were before. All they can do is lock a topic in a forum if it doesn't meet the SOP. Nothing more. That's the entire extent of a forum mods "powers."

As an aside, the entire ability to move threads does not exist on DU3 at all.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:28 PM

27. IIRC In some (all?) groups/forums they can also ban participation

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:56 PM

28. Group hosts can ban you from their group only.

Forum hosts have no such power. All they can do is lock for SOP violations.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:33 PM

26. The rules for this forum are a little different...

...than those for GD. Discussion of the "disclaimed" are permitted on a case-by-case basis so long as they are topical to the election, which this article is as it relates to the SOTU, which most are describing as the Obama campaign kick-off for 2012.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:28 AM

16. Sure - the GOP will pretend it is NO MATTER WHAT


I don't think I've heard the president mention firearms in three years.

But we'll hear about gun-grabbing Obama for months from these shitheads.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:09 AM

18. It will once again be a manufactured issue

If you were paying attention it was in 2008 as well. Not that it really was an issue, but the Republicans created one and used it to get a chunk of their base to the polls. Of course the only thing that came from all that in the end is a huge spike in the prices of guns and ammo from the fake scare they manufactured.

The stupidity of the Republican base will never cease to amaze me.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:33 PM

20. If he caves into the gun grabbers, he will lose. It's just that simple.

 

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:13 PM

24. If Obama does ANYTHING whatsoever about guns this year, he's toast

I say anything, because it will be twisted into OMFG HE'S GRABBING ALL THE GUNS.

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