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Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:44 PM

Senator Rubio: Short term solution for long term problem

Well Senator, who has stopped the log term solution? Your republicans. Also, your party has made it clear they had no intention of fixing the problem.

On another note, if Romney chose Rubio as a running mate would that get him any latino votes he wouldn't already have?

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Reply Senator Rubio: Short term solution for long term problem (Original post)
SoutherDem Jun 2012 OP
GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #1
monmouth Jun 2012 #3
GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #4
monmouth Jun 2012 #5
GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #8
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #6
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #7
cr8tvlde Jun 2012 #12
KOfan Jun 2012 #9
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #10
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #13
cr8tvlde Jun 2012 #11
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #14
yellowcanine Jun 2012 #15

Response to SoutherDem (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:50 PM

1. Thank you.

Even the President says this is a "stopgap" measure meant to free up funds that would have been spent to deport them, and use them for more pressing needs. And, someone should remind Mr. Rubio why the President is being forced to make such choices.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:04 PM

3. It is being said (I don't know if it's true) that Rubio is ticked off because POTUS did not

discuss this with him first. Anything pertaining to Latinos, in Rubio's silly mind, should go through him.

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Response to monmouth (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:12 PM

4. From what I have been reading...

What the President is doing is basically the same thing that's in Rubio's own proposed version of the Dream Act. So, he pretty much usurped the GOP's golden boy. That, apparently, is why Rubio is pissed off.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:18 PM

5. I like it....a lot..LOL. n/t

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Response to monmouth (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:07 PM

8. He also forced the RomBot's hand on immigration.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/his-hand-forced-by-obama-mitt-romney-etch-a-sketches-on-immigration.php?ref=fpa

He punked them both, and on Day One of Mitt's new "bus tour". And, he threw the repug's "divide and conquer" right back at them by forcing Romney to move to the center on immigration, pissing off the teabagger wing. LMAO!

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Response to SoutherDem (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:51 PM

2. As for your latter question...

I hate to tell you, but that's Republican thinking. "Hey, if we have a female VP, we'll win the women over!" or "black people only voted for Obama because he's black!" Basically republicans believe everyone other than white males are irrational and bad thinkers, and so can be wooed over with simple tribalism.

In reality, pretty much everyone - regardless of their classification - tends to vote on actual substance. Women did not flock to Sarah Palin, and the voting record of blacks has been steady ever since 1970 - they vote Democrat, and Obama did not see any extra numbers that couldn't be explained by increased turnout in general.

No, Mittens will not woo Latino voters with a Rubio VP position any more than he would bring in black women by asking Condileeza Rice. They will look at whatever actual issues are important to them, and vote on those grounds.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:35 PM

6. Maybe he needs a black, Latino, woman as VP

That would give him all three in one. I just hope he finds anyone with more than two neurons still firing in their brain, since they could be president, but I think they are all Democrats.

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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:40 PM

7. Mitt needs an awful lot

I think his first concern should be obtaining a personality. After that, a plan might be good to have. And then, if he's secured those, then he can think about a VP candidate.

or a lithium enema, whichever appeals more to him I guess.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:28 PM

12. Good One n/t

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:01 PM

9. Respectfully disagree

Mittens is a politician who will use anything to get elected including using a Hispanic running mate to get the Hispanic vote. I believe he is dead serious on Rubio being Veep, who happens to have NO experience in Washington and can be eaten alive by those who are smart.

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Response to KOfan (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:19 PM

10. You missed my point

A hispanic running mate will by absolutely no means guarantee him the Latino vote. The belief that it will is Republican nonsense at its finest.

Republicans believe that nonwhites and non-males are completely irrational and incapable of giving intelligent, considered thought to the issues. They believe that only white males are capable of rational thinking, and everyone else can just be lured around by identity politics; "If we run someone of X race, then everyone of X race will vote for us!"

It's why they think black voters voted for Obama because he's black. It's why they accuse those same voters of living on a "democratic plantation" whenever black voters choose to not elect a black republican.

we would do well to not buy into such assumptions ourselves; Romney can nominate Rubio if he wants, but the only people who will vote for that ticket are people who agree with the positions and rhetoric found on the Romney ticket. Ethnicity will not come into play - except perhaps to drive white republicans away in all honesty...

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Response to KOfan (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:01 PM

13. I was trying to be funny.

that is why I added the yes, he would choose ANYONE who could help him win.

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Response to SoutherDem (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:25 PM

11. Cuban, Mexican and South American Hispanics are very different

and hardly a cohesive voting bloc. Have lived a number of decades on the West Coast and the Hispanic political spectrum is nearly as diverse as the lighter skinned Caucasians. Much has to do with whether they are first, second or third generation...come from old money or poor...command of the English language, etc.

My opinion would be that it would make little difference and could hurt him for not choosing a more traditional Veep.

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Response to cr8tvlde (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:08 PM

14. I've had to explain to people that "hispanic" is not an ethnic group

Which is why John McCain talking about "the hispanics" was a head-slapper. It's a cultural / linguistic delineation. Spaniards, Argentines, Cubans, Mexicans, even many Filipinos and Moroccans are "hispanic." As you say it's certainly not a "bloc" of any sort.

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Response to SoutherDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:03 AM

15. Of course a short term solution is needed when deportation looms for a young person

who just graduated from high school and is planning to go to college. And Rubio's republicans have blocked any long term solutions so this is kind of like blaming a mugging victim for not having enough money to pay for cab fare.

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