I think a self proclaimed socialist has a better chance of winning the general election than

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someone who voted to shield gun manufacturers from Sandy Hook parents has of winning the Democratic Primary.

[djean111]

2. If that is your "deal breaker", than that is that. But - not the same for everyone.

That's why we have the primaries.
Personally, the TPP and the other corporate "trade" agreements are my deal-breakers.
And then - we all get to vote!

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5. for a very large block of primary voters it is the biggest issue

Bernie will get virtually none of their votes.

[djean111]

9. Okay. I get that.

I feel that if Hillary is President, we will be sending everybody's kids to get killed overseas.
I am not saying that should cancel out your issue, I am saying we all have different issues, and the primaries are how we sort them out.

[Scootaloo]

3. What about candidates who vote in favor of cluster bombs?

Or vote in favor of pointless wars?

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6. If I were for Bernie I would try to vhange the subject too

anything but this. problem is this is a democratic primary and he will have to talk about that every day he is in it.

[Scootaloo]

12. The subject is your standards for a candidate, Arely.

Okay, you reject Sanders because he voted against holding manufacturers responsible ofr what people do with their products. That's your call. I dind it a little odd, but hey, whatever suits you.

But, that being the case...

How is it you support a candidate who votes to protect the manufacturers of cluster bombs from their victims, and also strives to keep the US out of treaties banning their use?

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16. cluster bombs aren't being sold over the counter in the US like assault weapons nt

[Scootaloo]

20. But they are being sold by the US and used on civilians.

And Clinton is there to defend the manufacturers against the innocent people trying to bring suit.

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21. link? nt

[Scootaloo]

25. Sure

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232

.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On the Amendment (Feinstein Amdt. No. 4882 )
Vote Number: 232 Vote Date: September 6, 2006, 12:00 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4882 to H.R. 5631 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2007)
Statement of Purpose: To protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster munitions.
Vote Counts: YEAs 30
NAYs 70

Clinton's vote?

Clinton (D-NY), Nay

She was one of three Democrats (Biden and Dodd were the other two) who joined every republican in the senate to vote against an amendment banning the use and sale of cluster munitions by the united states.

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26. the cluster bomb lawsuit you claim she blocked nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

33. Those aren't on the news....

Media decides which issues are relevant.

I can't recall ever seeing a TV news story about cluster bombs. And rarely about pointless wars. Gun coverage is more.

[hrmjustin]

4. I do not care for his votes on bombs.

[Snotcicles]

7. Since you seem to be the one most concerned about Bernie Sanders vote back in 1993 I'll ask you this

All the while from 1986 to 1992 in the run up to the 1993 vote

Didn't Hillary Clinton take a salary out of the profits of firearms sales from the country's largest gun retailer while sitting on their BOD?

When did Hillary stop profiting from the sale of firearms from the country's largest gun retailer, or is she still profiting from firearms sales as a holder of a large amount of their stock?

Or dose it even matter while you are in the process attempting the dismembering of an opponent?

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8. trying to change the subject is weak but probably the only thing Bernie or his supporters can do on

this one.

[Snotcicles]

10. Answer the question. I would really like to know.nt

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14. you asked several

all of which are loaded and assume premises I reject. but this is your opportunity to defend Bernie;s gun votes

[Snotcicles]

15. Your scrambling now that you started pointing fingers. Your name is all over it. nt

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17. again, I totally understand why changing the subject is so important

this subject is enough to sink anyone in a demo primary.

[Snotcicles]

19. You call it changing the subject. I call it asking you a question even you should want answered. nt

[djean111]

11. Are you seriously expecting that this issue, which has been brought up multiple times,

is going to send Bernie supporters into Hillary's camp? No one is changing the subject so much as trying to explain why your issue does not trump other issues. If there is a large block of primary voters who will not vote for him, so be it.

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13. I think this will be debated daily throught the primaries. gun control is an important issue to

democrats. it turns out that independent socialist who recently joined the party have a different take on it than long time dems. he has every day for the next many months to convince democratic primary voters to move to the right on guns.

good luck

lol

[djean111]

18. It looks to me like your "self-proclaimed Socialist who recently joined the party"

meme might be just as important to you as the gun vote. Since it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Or do you mean that if Bernie was a long-time Democrat, that large block of primary voters would not care about the gun vote? Or that if Bernie was a Dem he would have voted differently? Really, as a life-long Dem myself, I am curious as to why Bernie's affiliation matters, as far as that vote is concerned.

(I consider Bernie more of a Democrat than Hillary, be the way. Deeds, not words or a letter.)

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22. it is very simple: he is new to the party and way to the right of the party's primary voters and its

platform.

this is shaping up to be a big problem for him and is probably a deal killer with enough dems that he could never win the primary.

[djean111]

23. Well, we will see, won't we?

I am looking forward to the debates and the voting. And I consider Bernie to be to the left of Hillary.

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24. i meant on guns, sorry i wasn't clear. yeah he is to her left on a lot (probably most)

issues. I look forward to the debates too. mainly because of how they will contrast with the loons in the other party. I think any of our candidates could beat most of theirs. Christie or Bush are their best shots. They could both beat Bernie. But Bernie could beat them. Depends on the quality of the campaigns. Hilary would beat Bush or Christie much more easily than Bernie could imho.

[TM99]

30. Outside of the Brady Bill vote,

He is totally in line with the current Democratic platform on guns.

The official position
We recognize that the right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact and enforce commonsense laws and improvements - like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system, and reinstating the assault weapons ban, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Acting responsibly and with respect for differing views on this issue, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.

The Democratic Party platform (2008)

Hey, and there is that "what works in Chicago won't work in Vermont, I mean Cheyenne" line. So not a dog whistle and not an NRA talking point but rather a paraphrasing of the official position of the Demoractic party.

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31. solid point on the dog whistle business, however

Bernie has a general aversion to gun control as evidenced by his statements after sandy hook. Im not saying that makes him evil, just awkwardly outside mainstream liberal thought on the subject for someone running in a demo primary.

[TM99]

32. But that is just not true Arely.

I posted the platform position. He is inline with that and has voted accordingly.

I agree with him about holding manufacturers accountable for the actions of consumers. It shouldn't be done.

And what he does repeatedly say is that even with reasonable gun control, outside of fully banning guns (which isn't going to happen) something needs to change culturally.

That to me is a far more interesting discussion than a back forth on guns when all three of the Democratic candidates are going to follow the platform, and like Obama nothing dramatic will be done to change gun laws in the US.

[Travis_0004]

27. I don't need to change the subject. Gun manfactures should not be sued

I also don't think we should sue Budweiser if somebody kills somebody in a DUI, and I don't believe we should sue GM when somebody is speeding and kills somebody. If somebody takes 50 asprin and kills themselves, I don't think we should be able to sue bayer.

There are lots of products that are used safely everyday. When somebody abuses the product, sue that person, not the manufacturer.

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29. once this issue is gone?

lol