2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy I prefer Bernie to Hillary.
Bernie has had the same position for 40 years, even though times have changed.
No "evolving" was necessary.
Bernie was an activist first and a politician second. This is a man that knows the grit and struggle of the people and has strived for progress alongside them. No silver spoons in his mouth. To this day, he has that activist fire, the revolutionary spirit. Something is wrong with the system and it still needs to be changed! He needs the people as much as we need him in the house.
He admits he cannot do it alone. He's a man that understands a government only has as much power as the people will give it. He is unchanging. Has not wavered from this strong message in his heart that all are equal, we always have been and we need to make big changes, now.
He doesn't use big money, he's funded directly by the people. He doesn't change his voice to cater to audiences in the places he speaks. He's Bernie. He's real.
People speak of Bernie's record as if he hasn't done much. Well, consider what he's given priority to, and think about why that is. Ever since he started, he's been fighting the hardest battles that our nation is the SLOWEST to change. Women's rights, Income Inequality, Poverty, Unemployment, Rights to Healthcare and Education, LGBT rights, it goes on. This is why his list of achievements doesn't seem very long.
You see, he's trying to take down the biggest obstacles while others pick the low hanging fruit. (Don't get me wrong, at least they're still picking fruit. But we can take the whole tree if we all actually work together.) His record would be much bigger if our nation was as progressive as he is, but no. Our government is corrupted by greed, big money and people in power and his agenda is not in their best interests.
How can Hillary make changes to a government controlled by big money, when she is funded by big money?
I understand that Hillary has reputation and is likely more well received in the house and everyone is her buddy there because she's shook hands and smiled for years!
But, I don't want a friendly president in the white house. I don't want someone that will nod and say "yes" to the "right people" just to stay in power. I want someone to clean the place out, I want someone to change the whole system because they're unhappy with the system. I want the guy that everyone scoffed at for being "crazy", I want the guy that doesn't back down even when everyone in the room disagrees with him. What is right is right.
The system doesn't work for the people, and I don't want a president that uses that system to their benefit without thinking about how it diminishes the voice of the people. We don't need another president that will play by the rules. We need a president who wants to change the rules, just like FDR.
We can't afford to play these money games anymore people, like I said before, big money is what has slowed our nation's progress so much. You want real change? Stop with the "safe bet" of Clinton and go all or nothing with Bernie. If you just want the Democrats to win then just go ahead and rely on Hillary. If that's all that matters to you then be my guest.
That said, this is my first original post in the GD: Primaries forum so hello. Also, I do not intend to be an uninformed voter. An educated voter is the BEST thing for our democracy, so PLEASE, if there is anything you feel I should know about Hillary then share the facts and nothing more. My post here was a post of passion for what I feel Bernie can do for us. This is not intended to be an attack on Hillary, just an invigorated telling of how I feel about the two.
Thanks for reading.
BernieWarren2016
(2 posts)Go Bernie!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I would like to see Warren as his running mate too. That would really make the Wall Street establishments heads explode! We also have a Bernie Group. I hope you check it out and join.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for way too long. Barbara Lee as VP as her record on almost everything is so close to Bernie's.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)see her in a cabinet position. However, Bernie has said he wants Paul Krugman for Treasury.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)these people end up in his cabinet. Now we know that if Bernie is elected, his cabinet would be made of some of the most honest and smarters progressives in the country.
I doubt there will be any Corporate CEOs, from Monsanto eg.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)consider Bernie and Warren as a dream team. oh it would be so awesome.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)because they are very much on the same page about the banksters.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)by the Banker trying to persuade the little boy not to spend his tuppence feeding the birds but to deposit it in the bank and watch it grow.
Your comment reminded me of the song.
The little boy decided he would rather feed the birds.
BernieWarren2016
(2 posts)My dream ticket: the truly anti Wall Street ticket.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Welcome to DU
randys1
(16,286 posts)way of looking at politicians.
One my friend George Carlin would have approved of I think.
My friend, even if he didnt know it
LWolf
(46,179 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)become the most important one, I think. He should
drive that home more and more. Should he win,
the people, who voted for him have to keep at it at
least until 2020, locally and nationally.
The question is: Will they?
An activist first!!
George II
(67,782 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)equality? Wall St corruption? The grotesque and damaging influence of money in politics? Access to free College Ed for anyone who is qualified? Single Payer HC?
Which of those should he have changed his mind about?? And which do you disagree with him on?
George II
(67,782 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Just brilliant, George.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)on Bernie than their own candidate. But so far it's been very difficult.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)add his vote against The First and Second Iraq Wars, and the Patriot Act, which of these issues do you disagree with?
I'm finding it so hard to get Hillary supporters to talk about HILLARY, where she stands on important issues, they seem fascinated with Bernie. Why is that?
Your driveby with zero backing means nothing to me. On 98% of Progressive Issues he has a record that is beyond par. Which is why the negative campaigners are getting no traction and are only hurting their own candidate when they distort and smear one of the most honest politicians we have ever had the privilege of voting for.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)and I'm noticing that about Hillary supporters as well. they tend to not have any clear answers about Hillary when questioned and they're just quick to deflect the questions.
that behavior's pretty similar to Hillary actually.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)promoting my candidate because he is so GOOD on the issues. So I don't understand why they spend their time on a failing effort to distort the record of a man whose record is pretty much impeccable. It is not helping THEIR candidate in fact from what I'm reading all over the place, it is hurting her.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)anyway. Who cares if he supports Hillary.
George II
(67,782 posts).....(like Bernie Sanders) and have lived in the US my entire life. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968.
Now don't you feel foolish? You should!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)you aren't Canadian and you are from Brooklyn. It seems you are trying to mislead people. Also could you explain your name? We always called GWB George II. We never liked him here.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Well done.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And since you love pedantic arguments, the EPA started regulating leaded gas in 1973, two years outside the "40 year" window.
frylock
(34,825 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I just don't think, in fact I'm almost positive that he will NOT win if he were to get the nomination. I'm not going to get into each and every one of your laundry list of selected "issues".
I could play the same game, on what issues do you not agree with Hillary Clinton - Civil Rights? Women's Rights? Marriage Equality? Etc.
But I think Hillary Clinton overall would be a more effective LEADER of our country and I think she would be more effective at working with Congress than he would.
Psst...the entire point of this thread is she had to evolve to her current position on most of those issues.
George II
(67,782 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)As a result, party affiliation isn't required to run for the Democratic nomination. You have to tell the party you want to run for it, and the party says "OK' or objects.
Considering the DNC is fundraising off of Sanders, I don't think they mind. Do you?
George II
(67,782 posts)Are you telling me he can win the "Democratic" nomination without being a "Democrat"?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And someday, that might sink in.
frylock
(34,825 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)criminal wars, this is no GAME. If that's what it is to you to want to know where people asking us to give them the powers of the presidency stand on issues that can get hundreds of thousands of people killed, or cause them to lose their jobs and their homes I can see why you can be so dismissive of the actual issues that are going to be the deciding factors in this race.
Hillary has made massive mistakes in judgement which to me and millions of other Americans means that when she was given a leadership position, in the Senate eg, she demonstrated a lack of leadership qualities on major issues such as one that is the most serious issue a leader will ever have to make a decision about, WAR.
She is unclear where she stands on issues such as Wall St corruption, war crimes etc and that is why Bernie Sanders is going to win.
He possesses all the qualities necessary in a good leader, he has foresight, excellent judgement and he has no intention of 'reaching across the aisle' as Hillary states she will do, to try to negotiate with extremists.
I don't see these leadership qualities at all. Not to mention her support for all of our disastrous wars that have cost so much in lives and money.
This country is ready for a huge change in Foreign Policies which right now are destroying this country and putting in more danger than it ever was, and in REGULATORY policies to reign in the criminals who caused the collapse of the world's economies.
Sanders has been right about all these most important issues for decades and that is the kind of leader this country so badly needs right now.
George II
(67,782 posts)...Clinton's positions. If you truly wanted to know her positions on those issues, you can find them without asking a series of questions of some "anonymous" person on the internet.
Trying to pin the two wars on Clinton is simply not fair, as is your attempt to demonstrate that I supported those wars. Neither is true!
With that behind us (me), you're criticizing Clinton's leadership qualities. So I ask, what leadership qualities has Sanders exhibited over his political career. The only true "leadership" position he's held that I can find is that he was mayor of a city of less than 50,000 people*. I don't even think he has chaired any committees either in the House or Senate.
On the other hand, Clinton has led a department of about 70,000 employees with a budget of $60 BILLION and has been, and she has been recognized by members of both sides (except the super rightwing extremists in Congress) and doing a highly effective job.
Agony
(2,605 posts)and regularly has veterans praising him for his leadership. He is currently ranking member of a Committee and a Sub-Comittee.
Jeezus
nikto
(3,284 posts)It's the kind of hair that can beat Republicans,
and will promise to appoint only semi-non-fascists to the SCOTUS.
Bernie's hair is all over the place.
Hillary's hair is hair you can depend on.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Does anyone who changes their position on an issue deserve to be condemned or is there any wiggle room at all?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)That's what I believe and that is what I support.
Curious
Do you think this particular thread aims that way? Because I don't.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)But when a post contains the sentence:
"No "evolving" was necessary" it's fair to ask what the OPs feelings are on people who change their position on an issue.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But Bernie has been on the right side since the beginning, that's the reason I used that phrasing. The "evolving" phrasing is an obvious inference towards Hillary and that is what I intended.
Now, my personal opinion on Hillary isn't in the negative because she changed her mind on something. We're all better people for changing our minds when we become more enlightened about things. Good for Hillary there.
But Bernie has not needed to change his views.
My issues with Hillary is based more so in the inability to have a solid stance on certain things and hand holding with Wall St.
I still felt it necessary to use the phrasing to display what I considered a difference between the two.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)However, changing positions involves many things. For instance:
The position changer had a life changing epiphany that they have been on the wrong side and truly want to make the wrong right.
Or, they see the winds have changed so they change too. Definitely opportunistic and not to be trusted. Actually, other than the first situation I mentioned, most position changes, for whatever reason it's done, are suspect.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)so while i can accept the evolution of reagan democrats, for example, i have the utmost respect for people who didn't need to evolve...or re-evolve.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I love reading the truth.
The way Bernie wins this is people power. The AmeriCan way.
The campaign will be an historic event that will forever change modern American politics. This is huge! And we all get to play a part. Every one of us. Doesn't matter who you are, your'e in, if you want.