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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:37 PM Jul 2015

Why I prefer Bernie to Hillary.

Bernie has had the same position for 40 years, even though times have changed.

No "evolving" was necessary.

Bernie was an activist first and a politician second. This is a man that knows the grit and struggle of the people and has strived for progress alongside them. No silver spoons in his mouth. To this day, he has that activist fire, the revolutionary spirit. Something is wrong with the system and it still needs to be changed! He needs the people as much as we need him in the house.

He admits he cannot do it alone. He's a man that understands a government only has as much power as the people will give it. He is unchanging. Has not wavered from this strong message in his heart that all are equal, we always have been and we need to make big changes, now.

He doesn't use big money, he's funded directly by the people. He doesn't change his voice to cater to audiences in the places he speaks. He's Bernie. He's real.

People speak of Bernie's record as if he hasn't done much. Well, consider what he's given priority to, and think about why that is. Ever since he started, he's been fighting the hardest battles that our nation is the SLOWEST to change. Women's rights, Income Inequality, Poverty, Unemployment, Rights to Healthcare and Education, LGBT rights, it goes on. This is why his list of achievements doesn't seem very long.

You see, he's trying to take down the biggest obstacles while others pick the low hanging fruit. (Don't get me wrong, at least they're still picking fruit. But we can take the whole tree if we all actually work together.) His record would be much bigger if our nation was as progressive as he is, but no. Our government is corrupted by greed, big money and people in power and his agenda is not in their best interests.

How can Hillary make changes to a government controlled by big money, when she is funded by big money?

I understand that Hillary has reputation and is likely more well received in the house and everyone is her buddy there because she's shook hands and smiled for years!

But, I don't want a friendly president in the white house. I don't want someone that will nod and say "yes" to the "right people" just to stay in power. I want someone to clean the place out, I want someone to change the whole system because they're unhappy with the system. I want the guy that everyone scoffed at for being "crazy", I want the guy that doesn't back down even when everyone in the room disagrees with him. What is right is right.

The system doesn't work for the people, and I don't want a president that uses that system to their benefit without thinking about how it diminishes the voice of the people. We don't need another president that will play by the rules. We need a president who wants to change the rules, just like FDR.

We can't afford to play these money games anymore people, like I said before, big money is what has slowed our nation's progress so much. You want real change? Stop with the "safe bet" of Clinton and go all or nothing with Bernie. If you just want the Democrats to win then just go ahead and rely on Hillary. If that's all that matters to you then be my guest.

That said, this is my first original post in the GD: Primaries forum so hello. Also, I do not intend to be an uninformed voter. An educated voter is the BEST thing for our democracy, so PLEASE, if there is anything you feel I should know about Hillary then share the facts and nothing more. My post here was a post of passion for what I feel Bernie can do for us. This is not intended to be an attack on Hillary, just an invigorated telling of how I feel about the two.

Thanks for reading.

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Why I prefer Bernie to Hillary. (Original Post) retrowire Jul 2015 OP
If you don't change the system, the rest of it is unimportant. BernieWarren2016 Jul 2015 #1
Welcome to DU. Cleita Jul 2015 #6
I would love to see her in Treasury where she can uncover all that they have been hiding sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #11
If Bernie becomes President and she's not tapped for VP, I do Cleita Jul 2015 #14
He likes Krugman and Reich and Stiglitz. Either way it's okay by me if all sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #16
You can take that to the bank. Pun intended. Cleita Jul 2015 #17
a coworker and i retrowire Jul 2015 #19
I don't know if that will happen, but I do see him tapping Warren for his administration Cleita Jul 2015 #20
Lol! I watched Mary Poppins during the holiday season last year and loved the song sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #21
Thanks! BernieWarren2016 Jul 2015 #54
Well said BernieWarren2016 chknltl Jul 2015 #41
You are describing why Bernie really isnt a politician, even though he is. It is a new randys1 Jul 2015 #2
Nicely stated. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #3
Your second paragraph will sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #4
K &.R rbnyc Jul 2015 #5
Maintaining the same position for 40 years is good? George II Jul 2015 #7
When it's the right one? You betcha. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #8
It is since he was on the correct side since the beginning! peacebird Jul 2015 #9
What do you not agree with him on? Civil Rights? Forever War? Women's Rights, Marriage sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #12
I guess he's still in favor of using leaded gas? George II Jul 2015 #13
Revealing response... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #15
Well, I was hoping to get some insight in those who seem to spend more time sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #23
You didn't answer my question. Which of the policy positions he has taken and voted for, and I'll sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18
i haven't been here long retrowire Jul 2015 #22
It's interesting that they don't talk about Hillary much, but seem focused on Bernie. I love sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Considering he seems to be Canadian, he doesn't have a dog in this fight Cleita Jul 2015 #26
What an idiotic thing to say, and offensive too! I was born in Brooklyn............ George II Jul 2015 #32
You should feel foolish for having the Maple Leaf for your avatar if Cleita Jul 2015 #36
Rather judgmental of you. And you just doubled down on your offensiveness - good job. George II Jul 2015 #39
Judgemental? You called me an idiot and offensive too, FIRST. Cleita Jul 2015 #44
LMAO noiretextatique Jul 2015 #46
I posted to myself for a reason. But I'm happy you enjoyed the laugh. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #47
i did...thanks! eom noiretextatique Jul 2015 #49
In one sentence, you spoke volumes. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #27
Do you have anything showing he actually was in favor of leaded gas? jeff47 Jul 2015 #34
Link to him advocating for leaded gas kplxthx? frylock Jul 2015 #52
To answer your questions, I don't disagree with him on very much, a George II Jul 2015 #33
Psst... jeff47 Jul 2015 #35
And Sanders had to "evolve" to his current party affiliation to run for the Democratic nomination George II Jul 2015 #37
Nope. Party affiliation isn't recorded in several states jeff47 Jul 2015 #40
If the money will be used to fund Clinton's candidacy next fall, no problem at all. George II Jul 2015 #42
Yep! Nothing requires you to be registered as a member of the party. jeff47 Jul 2015 #43
How hard is it to change a fucking jersey? frylock Jul 2015 #53
I'm not playing any GAMES here. For us, for those who lost loved ones in these sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50
Not dismissive at all, but you ARE "playing games", trying to test my knowledge of.... George II Jul 2015 #51
Sen Sanders was Chair of Veterans Affairs Agony Jul 2015 #55
But Hillary's hair is so neat and well-styled nikto Jul 2015 #10
Curious LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #24
No one deserves to be condemned for changing their position MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #28
Not necessarily LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #29
I think it's fine to change your position on something. retrowire Jul 2015 #30
Some don't need to change their position when they have been right all along. Cleita Jul 2015 #31
i'll bite: consistency is really important to me noiretextatique Jul 2015 #48
K+1 zentrum Jul 2015 #38
Sweet! RobertEarl Jul 2015 #45

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Welcome to DU.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jul 2015

I would like to see Warren as his running mate too. That would really make the Wall Street establishments heads explode! We also have a Bernie Group. I hope you check it out and join.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. I would love to see her in Treasury where she can uncover all that they have been hiding
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jul 2015

for way too long. Barbara Lee as VP as her record on almost everything is so close to Bernie's.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. If Bernie becomes President and she's not tapped for VP, I do
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jul 2015

see her in a cabinet position. However, Bernie has said he wants Paul Krugman for Treasury.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. He likes Krugman and Reich and Stiglitz. Either way it's okay by me if all
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jul 2015

these people end up in his cabinet. Now we know that if Bernie is elected, his cabinet would be made of some of the most honest and smarters progressives in the country.

I doubt there will be any Corporate CEOs, from Monsanto eg.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. I don't know if that will happen, but I do see him tapping Warren for his administration
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

because they are very much on the same page about the banksters.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Lol! I watched Mary Poppins during the holiday season last year and loved the song
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

by the Banker trying to persuade the little boy not to spend his tuppence feeding the birds but to deposit it in the bank and watch it grow.

Your comment reminded me of the song.

The little boy decided he would rather feed the birds.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. You are describing why Bernie really isnt a politician, even though he is. It is a new
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jul 2015

way of looking at politicians.

One my friend George Carlin would have approved of I think.

My friend, even if he didnt know it

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
4. Your second paragraph will
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jul 2015

become the most important one, I think. He should
drive that home more and more. Should he win,
the people, who voted for him have to keep at it at
least until 2020, locally and nationally.

The question is: Will they?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. What do you not agree with him on? Civil Rights? Forever War? Women's Rights, Marriage
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jul 2015

equality? Wall St corruption? The grotesque and damaging influence of money in politics? Access to free College Ed for anyone who is qualified? Single Payer HC?

Which of those should he have changed his mind about?? And which do you disagree with him on?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Well, I was hoping to get some insight in those who seem to spend more time
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

on Bernie than their own candidate. But so far it's been very difficult.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. You didn't answer my question. Which of the policy positions he has taken and voted for, and I'll
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jul 2015

add his vote against The First and Second Iraq Wars, and the Patriot Act, which of these issues do you disagree with?

I'm finding it so hard to get Hillary supporters to talk about HILLARY, where she stands on important issues, they seem fascinated with Bernie. Why is that?

Your driveby with zero backing means nothing to me. On 98% of Progressive Issues he has a record that is beyond par. Which is why the negative campaigners are getting no traction and are only hurting their own candidate when they distort and smear one of the most honest politicians we have ever had the privilege of voting for.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
22. i haven't been here long
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

and I'm noticing that about Hillary supporters as well. they tend to not have any clear answers about Hillary when questioned and they're just quick to deflect the questions.

that behavior's pretty similar to Hillary actually.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. It's interesting that they don't talk about Hillary much, but seem focused on Bernie. I love
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jul 2015

promoting my candidate because he is so GOOD on the issues. So I don't understand why they spend their time on a failing effort to distort the record of a man whose record is pretty much impeccable. It is not helping THEIR candidate in fact from what I'm reading all over the place, it is hurting her.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
26. Considering he seems to be Canadian, he doesn't have a dog in this fight
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jul 2015

anyway. Who cares if he supports Hillary.

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. What an idiotic thing to say, and offensive too! I was born in Brooklyn............
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jul 2015

.....(like Bernie Sanders) and have lived in the US my entire life. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968.

Now don't you feel foolish? You should!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
36. You should feel foolish for having the Maple Leaf for your avatar if
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:18 PM
Jul 2015

you aren't Canadian and you are from Brooklyn. It seems you are trying to mislead people. Also could you explain your name? We always called GWB George II. We never liked him here.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. Do you have anything showing he actually was in favor of leaded gas?
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jul 2015

And since you love pedantic arguments, the EPA started regulating leaded gas in 1973, two years outside the "40 year" window.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. To answer your questions, I don't disagree with him on very much, a
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jul 2015

I just don't think, in fact I'm almost positive that he will NOT win if he were to get the nomination. I'm not going to get into each and every one of your laundry list of selected "issues".

I could play the same game, on what issues do you not agree with Hillary Clinton - Civil Rights? Women's Rights? Marriage Equality? Etc.

But I think Hillary Clinton overall would be a more effective LEADER of our country and I think she would be more effective at working with Congress than he would.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. Psst...
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jul 2015
I could play the same game, on what issues do you not agree with Hillary Clinton - Civil Rights? Women's Rights? Marriage Equality? Etc.

Psst...the entire point of this thread is she had to evolve to her current position on most of those issues.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
40. Nope. Party affiliation isn't recorded in several states
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jul 2015

As a result, party affiliation isn't required to run for the Democratic nomination. You have to tell the party you want to run for it, and the party says "OK' or objects.

Considering the DNC is fundraising off of Sanders, I don't think they mind. Do you?

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. If the money will be used to fund Clinton's candidacy next fall, no problem at all.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

Are you telling me he can win the "Democratic" nomination without being a "Democrat"?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
43. Yep! Nothing requires you to be registered as a member of the party.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015

And someday, that might sink in.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
50. I'm not playing any GAMES here. For us, for those who lost loved ones in these
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jul 2015

criminal wars, this is no GAME. If that's what it is to you to want to know where people asking us to give them the powers of the presidency stand on issues that can get hundreds of thousands of people killed, or cause them to lose their jobs and their homes I can see why you can be so dismissive of the actual issues that are going to be the deciding factors in this race.

Hillary has made massive mistakes in judgement which to me and millions of other Americans means that when she was given a leadership position, in the Senate eg, she demonstrated a lack of leadership qualities on major issues such as one that is the most serious issue a leader will ever have to make a decision about, WAR.

She is unclear where she stands on issues such as Wall St corruption, war crimes etc and that is why Bernie Sanders is going to win.

He possesses all the qualities necessary in a good leader, he has foresight, excellent judgement and he has no intention of 'reaching across the aisle' as Hillary states she will do, to try to negotiate with extremists.

I don't see these leadership qualities at all. Not to mention her support for all of our disastrous wars that have cost so much in lives and money.

This country is ready for a huge change in Foreign Policies which right now are destroying this country and putting in more danger than it ever was, and in REGULATORY policies to reign in the criminals who caused the collapse of the world's economies.

Sanders has been right about all these most important issues for decades and that is the kind of leader this country so badly needs right now.

George II

(67,782 posts)
51. Not dismissive at all, but you ARE "playing games", trying to test my knowledge of....
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015

...Clinton's positions. If you truly wanted to know her positions on those issues, you can find them without asking a series of questions of some "anonymous" person on the internet.

Trying to pin the two wars on Clinton is simply not fair, as is your attempt to demonstrate that I supported those wars. Neither is true!

With that behind us (me), you're criticizing Clinton's leadership qualities. So I ask, what leadership qualities has Sanders exhibited over his political career. The only true "leadership" position he's held that I can find is that he was mayor of a city of less than 50,000 people*. I don't even think he has chaired any committees either in the House or Senate.

On the other hand, Clinton has led a department of about 70,000 employees with a budget of $60 BILLION and has been, and she has been recognized by members of both sides (except the super rightwing extremists in Congress) and doing a highly effective job.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
55. Sen Sanders was Chair of Veterans Affairs
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

and regularly has veterans praising him for his leadership. He is currently ranking member of a Committee and a Sub-Comittee.

Jeezus

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
10. But Hillary's hair is so neat and well-styled
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

It's the kind of hair that can beat Republicans,
and will promise to appoint only semi-non-fascists to the SCOTUS.

Bernie's hair is all over the place.

Hillary's hair is hair you can depend on.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
24. Curious
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jul 2015

Does anyone who changes their position on an issue deserve to be condemned or is there any wiggle room at all?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
28. No one deserves to be condemned for changing their position
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jul 2015

That's what I believe and that is what I support.

Curious… Do you think this particular thread aims that way? Because I don't.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
29. Not necessarily
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jul 2015

But when a post contains the sentence:

"No "evolving" was necessary" it's fair to ask what the OPs feelings are on people who change their position on an issue.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
30. I think it's fine to change your position on something.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jul 2015

But Bernie has been on the right side since the beginning, that's the reason I used that phrasing. The "evolving" phrasing is an obvious inference towards Hillary and that is what I intended.

Now, my personal opinion on Hillary isn't in the negative because she changed her mind on something. We're all better people for changing our minds when we become more enlightened about things. Good for Hillary there.

But Bernie has not needed to change his views.

My issues with Hillary is based more so in the inability to have a solid stance on certain things and hand holding with Wall St.

I still felt it necessary to use the phrasing to display what I considered a difference between the two.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
31. Some don't need to change their position when they have been right all along.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jul 2015

However, changing positions involves many things. For instance:

The position changer had a life changing epiphany that they have been on the wrong side and truly want to make the wrong right.

Or, they see the winds have changed so they change too. Definitely opportunistic and not to be trusted. Actually, other than the first situation I mentioned, most position changes, for whatever reason it's done, are suspect.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
48. i'll bite: consistency is really important to me
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

so while i can accept the evolution of reagan democrats, for example, i have the utmost respect for people who didn't need to evolve...or re-evolve.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
45. Sweet!
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

I love reading the truth.

The way Bernie wins this is people power. The AmeriCan way.

The campaign will be an historic event that will forever change modern American politics. This is huge! And we all get to play a part. Every one of us. Doesn't matter who you are, your'e in, if you want.

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