Ted Cruz is Canadian

[UCmeNdc]

Cruz’s official Canadian birth certificate, as posted by the Dallas Morning News, shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, on December 22, 1970. Oddly, however, the birth was not registered until December 31, leaving an unexplained gap of nine days. But where was baby Ted over Christmas, an astute birther might ask. Donald Trump could build a casino in a hole that size.


His mother would have to go to the American Embassy and file for his American citizenship. Where are those papers?

[BAPhill]

1. CRBA

Consular Report of Birth Abroad

Both of my kids were born out of the country. A CRBA is what the Embassy issued me after I processed the documents.
It, effectively, is a birth certificate.

[UCmeNdc]

60. Ted Cruz Motto!

?1427231921

[nxylas]

2. Birthers are still hypocrites

Do you think that if President Obama actually had been born in Kenya, they would have accepted later registration of citizenship as proof of eligibility? Hell, when his long-form birth certificate was released, those that didn't immediately dismiss it as a fake simply moved the goalposts, and started arguing that he still wasn't a natural born citizen because his father was born in Kenya.

The bit about Cruz's parents waiting until after Christmas before registering his birth doesn't exactly strike me as a mystery worthy of Sherlock Holmes.

[UCmeNdc]

3. This is exactly the point of questioning Ted Cruz's citizenship......

When President Obama's proof was presented over and over again, something was always questioned.

Ted Cruz's path is more strange but FOX News accepts all explanations with a "nothing to see here folks" attitude.

[TeamPooka]

35. Because It's Okay If You're A Republican. nt

[tavalon]

10. I think, I hope, the original OP was spoofing the idiocy of the birther's amazing abilities

not see the clear parallel here and see how Cruz, no matter how incompetent, and we could go on for years about his incompetence, is in fact perfectly legal to run for President. Just as was President Obama. Obama, OTOH, while I long for a liberal streak in him, has shown that he has complete competence for his job.

[UCmeNdc]

18. Yes, the reason for the OP was to poke fun at the lack of integrity of the birther movement

FOX News, Donald trump, etc. etc. etc.

[nxylas]

25. Sorry, I guess my satire filter was having an off-day

I normally pride myself on not needing those sarcasm thingies to spell it out for me, but on this occasion, it went over my head.

[tavalon]

26. I never can remember Donald Trumps name,

because someone once called him the two orangutans and that stuck.

[former9thward]

30. Trump has questioned it.

Last edited Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump brings birther charge against Cruz

Real estate tycoon Donald Trump cast doubt Monday on whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) can run for president, because Cruz was born in Canada.

"It’s a hurdle; somebody could certainly look at it very seriously," Trump said during a phone interview Monday on My Fox New York.

"He was born in Canada. If you know and when we all studied our history lessons, you are supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts will rule on this."


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236651-trump-cruz-faces-hurdle-for-canadian-birthplace

[Reter]

33. Well, Donald Trump is consistant

He said the other day he's not eligible to run for President.

[DeadLetterOffice]

4. Canadian or American born, the real point is...

... that he's bat-shit crazy and has no business in elected office of any kind.

[Liberalynn]

5. This

[tavalon]

13. That is the real point

We're just having so much fun now and there is no way he's going to even make it to the stage so we have plenty of time to show just how wrong he is to be governing anything.

The extra shrub is the one we need to be gearing up to destroy. I do not want another Bush to ever be near the White House. That never goes well. Why is the shrub the biggest problem? Biggest war chest. When did campaign contributions start being called war chests, I wonder?

[vlyons]

22. right on!

He thinks his religion is the one true religion, and mine is not. He denies climate change and wants to abolish the IRS. More importantly, he thinks that we are enemies and unAmerican, because we are not like him. Cruz stinks.

[Buzz Clik]

6. Just stop. Seriously.

Maybe this is some sort of irony on your part, but stop.

[TBF]

7. ^This. His mom was (is?) American -

and I've gotten really tired of people coming to this site with the intent of stirring the pot. If we outrage at Ted we will be told that we should have outraged at Obama.

I have no problem with Cruz' Cuban father and Canadian birth. I do have a problem with him being a conservative terrorist who has already supported draconian programs that will only hurt Americans.

[groundloop]

16. I have faith that Donald Trump will be along shortly for Birther-2.0

[former9thward]

31. He already has...

Trump brings birther charge against Cruz

Real estate tycoon Donald Trump cast doubt Monday on whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) can run for president, because Cruz was born in Canada.

"It’s a hurdle; somebody could certainly look at it very seriously," Trump said during a phone interview Monday on My Fox New York.

"He was born in Canada. If you know and when we all studied our history lessons, you are supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts will rule on this."


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236651-trump-cruz-faces-hurdle-for-canadian-birthplace

[tavalon]

28. I've been here a really, really long time

and if one of these posts is anything but poking at the other sides hypocrisy. Yeah, it's sophisticated because we have overly smart citizens who post here, but I think ( I know, in my case), we're just having fun.

The reality is, it's going to be Bush v. Clinton and we will be deadly serious then. Let us have our fun for this short period of time. Think of it as sharpening our teeth, so we can be ready to rip the throat out (rhetorically) of the last and final Bush.

[TBF]

32. "Let us have our fun for this short period of time"

Yes, I tend to be impatient. But I do know you're correct about Bush v. Clinton as sad as that is. I can definitely sit back and save my energy for that. We are going to need it.

[area51]

40. Last and final Bush? If only ...

Link

[Igel]

57. Some are, some aren't.

Trump is being consistent.

Some (R) aren't being consistent (note that the birther movement didn't include most (R)).

Some (D) aren't.

In both cases, the inconsistency isn't just a flip-flop, because the reaction to the crazy over Obama remains the same. Some (R) are birthers but allow Cruz a pass; some (D) are vehemently anti-birther but really insist that Cruz not get a pass. As though a pass were necessary.

This "It's okay if I do it but really wrong and worthy of condemnation if you do it" is otherwise known by a nice word beginning with "h". And ending with "ypocrisy." Some on either side are fine with this--hypocrisy is not a value to be sneezed at if you're following the One True Path. IOKIYAR is often matched by IOKIYAD that dare not be spoken. Big tents have a lot of room for divergent opinions.

[Darb]

48. No, sorry, we won't stop sticking it to the asshat teabaggers.

They deserve to have to explain how he is eligible. And no, we should not have been outraged at Obama's situation too, he was born in







Hawaii.

[TBF]

56. Yup just keep piling it on -

trying to make democrats look bad. So transparent.

[AwakeAtLast]

8. I'm reading these posts a little differently

I think they speak to the sheer hypocrisy of the GOP. The extreme vitriol hurled at Obama deserves to have some thrown back.

I do see your point, though. Fine line between exposing hypocrisy and going overboard.

[awake]

11. There are still unanswered questions around Ted's citizenship

1. All U.S. citizens are required to file Tax retunes no mater where they live were they filed by Ted's mom while she lived in Canada.

2. When did Ted receive conformation of his U.S. citizenship, just having one U.S. citizen as a parent does not automatically make someone a U.S. citizen, forms must be filled out and filed.

To give Ted a pass on these questions will not help, it may well turn out that every thing is in order but if all of the appropriate documentation is not available we must assume that Ted entered this country as a undocumented alien. All too often Democrats are afraid to put hard questions to Republicans and there actions, it is time that we hit hard with question and not fall back on "nothing to see hear move on". With all of the shit storm that will be coming at our candidate we need to raise question about anything we can of candidates on there side.

[Buzz Clik]

21. I didn't give the Obama-birthers a pass, and you don't get one.

Get off it.

[Darb]

49. No

We won't get off it.

[Buzz Clik]

55. Ok. Be careful of the company you keep.

People might start thinking that you're a fucking moron. We wouldn't want that!

[jeff47]

23. 2 is wrong.

Having one US citizen as a parent DOES automatically make someone a US citizen. Forms only need to be filed to obtain a US passport.

To give Ted a pass on these questions will not help

To make these "questions" an issue is to reduce yourself to the stupidity of the birthers. Who will then beat you with experience.

[Historic NY]

29. Main question is why his father never became a US citizen until 2005....

[onenote]

39. actually having one US citizen as a parent DOES automatically make one a US citizen

assuming that the parents are married and certain periods of residency requirements are met.

The filing of forms simply provides one with "proof" of citizenship. One isn't a non-citizen without them --- one simply doesn't have paperwork that in and of itself proves you are a citizen. If one went into court and presented the same information needed to complete and obtain the specified form, one could and would rebut any challenges to one's citizenship.

Saying someone who is born outside the US under the circumstances that confer citizenship as a matter of law needs a form before they can be a citizen is like saying someone who is born inside the US isn't a citizen unless they have a birth certificate. The paperwork proves citizenship, it doesn't create it.

[Darb]

50. But it says "natural born", not just "citizen".

He's a natural born Canadian.

[Igel]

58. The question then becomes a simple one.

Why is your definition of "natural born" any superior to the most commonly accepted legal definition?

It's generally been considered true that if you are natural born to a US citizen or naturally born on US soil then you're naturally born a US citizen. This came up with Obama, to be sure--but also people tried to bring it up with McCain, IIRC, who wasn't born in the confines of the US but in the Canal Zone to US parents. (And, no, the argument wasn't just sarcasm.)

Of course, we could try to make C-sections a problem, but children born that way are also generally considered "naturally born"--as opposed to adopted or naturalized after immigration or as the result of legislative fiat. No need to pry into the vagaries of the maternity ward on this matter. I also assume that in the future, the results of in vitro fertilization will also be "natural born."

It probably pays to note that when this requirement was put in place, many parts of the US that later became parts of the US were still territories. A naturalization law that was in force at the time the Constitution was writtten and ratified said that if your father was a US citizen and you were born overseas you were considered a natural born citizen, provided your father had been a US resident. (This, of course, would have been expanded by later amendments even if this particular naturalization law hadn't been superseded a few years later in ways that don't affect this discussion.)

If you like grammar exercises, the Constitution does not say "naturally born." So we're talking about a secondary predicate here and not adverbial modification of the adjective. 'Natural born citizen' is describing the kind of citizen one's born as--one who's a citizen by nature or inherent property, not one made a citizen by speech act (to use an anachronistic term).

So Cruz is a natural born Canadian and a natural born American citizen. Obama is very likely a Kenyan natural born citizen as well as a natural born American citizen. McCain is also a Panamanian natural born citizen. Light is a wave and a particle, and baseballs have deBroglie wavelengths. Duality of natures happens. I had a resident assistant as an undergrad who was Nicaraguan and American. A Sandinista supporter, he travelled to Nicaragua as a Nicaraguan and to the US as an American. His girlfriend was Venezuelan, Canadian, American, and Colombian--all natural born statuses, and she had a pile of passports. I had a friend in grad school who was Guyanan, Dutch, and American, and native speaker of American English, Dutch, and Sraanan. Not only are there dual citizenships, there are trial (can I use that word outside of linguistics to mean "referring to 3"?) and four-fold citizenships. Probably larger numbers of natural-born citizenships are attested.

[tavalon]

15. Oh, come on, there is going to be nothing fun on our side

Ours is picked, preened, anointed and will be elected the next President. Like her or hate her, we will be calling her Madame President.

So, as this stupid season starts, let us play with our meat. He's not even going to make it to convention, we will dispatch him (rhetorically) rapidly and with precision when it becomes necessary. Right now, we are treating him and his ilk like we would a troll here. We know we should be good citizens and we will, we just want to play with our food for a bit. He's so idiotic and elections these days are so painful, please let us play with the mouse for a little bit.

[whopis01]

9. You are incorrect

The is no requirement to file anything with the embassy. Citizenship is acquired at birth in such a case.

http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

[awake]

14. If the mother lived outside of the US for too long this may be a issue

from the sit you listed.

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."

[whopis01]

20. That doesn't change the error about having to register at the embassy

If the parent had not met the requirements, then the child would not be a U.S. citizen and there would be nothing to be registered at an embassy that would change that fact.

Also the context of this thread was specifically about Ted Cruz. Since his mother was born and raised in the US, and lived here well past the stated requirements, it is not an issue.

You are correct that a hypothetical child born to a hypothetical mother that had not met the 10 years (including 5 after 14) requirement then this would be an issue. But that is not the care being discussed.

The birther nonsense was idiotic when it came from the right. It is equally idiotic when it comes from the left. The right felt they needed it because they were desperate and had no other way to defeat Obama. I don't believe that Democrats are in such dire straights when it comes to Ted Cruz.

[Jim Lane]

34. That residency requirement is the key difference between Cruz and Obama.

It's why the birthers are not hypocrites (loons, yes, but not hypocrites).

The law that was in effect both in 1961 (Obama's birth) and in 1970 (Cruz's birth) is in your post:

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Obama's mother was 18 years old when he was born. Therefore, she didn't meet the requirement of five years' residence after the age of fourteen. If she had, inexplicably, traveled to the Third World to deliver her child, then that child would not have been eligible. Obama's eligibility therefore rests solely on his having been born in Hawaii.

Cruz's mother was older, having gotten her undergraduate degree (at Rice) and then worked for a while in the U.S. before she and her husband moved to Canada.

This is why comments like those in the OP don't appeal to me as fun or good satire or the like. If you start addressing the eligibility issue from the point of view of Obama being born in Kenya, then the Obama birthers will win.

Obama was eligible because born in the U.S., and hence a citizen at birth under the Fourteenth Amendment. Cruz is eligible because born abroad to one citizen parent who met the residency requirements, and hence a citizen at birth under the Immigration and Nationality Act then in effect.

[It is Tuesday]

61. The newest question now becomes this:

How long did Cruz's mom stay aboard before giving birth - if more than 5 years, Ted isn't an American citizen by birth.

[Jim Lane]

64. No, that's not how the five-year requirement worked.

The rule was that the U.S. citizen parent must have lived in the U.S. for a minimum of five years after turning 14. It was a minimum on U.S. residence, not a maximum on foreign residence. If someone lived in the U.S. from birth to age 21, then lived abroad for 20 years, then had a child abroad, the child was a citizen at birth.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

12. Birthers don't CARE....

He's WHITE.

[tavalon]

17. Funny thing is......

He's not, actually. He just looks white. He's a mixture, just like that guy who ran/is running the White House, right now.

[Blanks]

19. He has a Hispanic last name...

That along with his birth in a socialist country would be enough to disqualify him if he were a democrat (in republican eyes).

It's his moronic behavior and mean-spiritedness that makes him so appealing to conservatives.

I still think it's a test to see how 'they' can make republicans switch their position on things as quickly as the wind changes directions.

The supposedly pro-military party threw a POW to the terrorists, supported the thief Cliven Bundy and now suddenly they're not only ok with immigrants they want to run one for president, talk about immigrants taking american jobs.

[Hokie]

24. That isn't correct

I follow the Birthers and they have to throw Cruz under the bus and call him ineligible because if they admit Cruz is eligible they have to admit President Obama is eligible. If you look at the comments on any of the recent articles discussing whether Cruz is a natural born citizen you will many of the same Birthers making the same stupid arguments. Here is one article that has over 2000 comments:

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2015/03/05/ted-cruz-and-natural-born-citizenship-a-belated-reply-to-mario-apuzzo/

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Yeah,...I've seen the high minded racists too....

Some of them consider "Commie" to be passed down in the blood.

[cascadiance]

27. Perhaps we should encourage Jennifer Granholm to run in the primaries...

... to see if Republican jerks take the bait of questioning her eligibility to be president, and if they do, then ask them why they only support Canadians running for president if they are Republican!

[Cali_Democrat]

37. Baby Cruz went missing for 9 days?

Where the fuck was little Teddy?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. Getting a shave....

[DFW]

41. Ted Cruz is a Republican

He could have been born on Mars and had one of his two heads and three of his five arms amputated, and it would have been good enough for Republicans to make him Amurriken as long as he's "conserv'tive.".

They have different standards. Republicans question the citizenship of Democrats born on American soil. They do not question the citizenship of Republicans born on foreign soil. That's just the way it is, and it's not going to change any time soon.

[Sunlei]

42. His mother was an American citizen, he is a citizen no matter where he was born.

yes, I know cruz kept his duel citizenship for some reason. He stated "he did not know about the Canadian citizenship".

Now if he used that Canadian citizenship for financial or any benefits he made a big lie.

[UCmeNdc]

43. Did Cruz use some of that great Canadian Health Care?

[Sunlei]

44. I don't know. He stated he did not know he still had the Canadian citizenship (canadian benefits)

He has the very best health care anyway, all the wealthy in USA do.

He probably has Canadian investments, someone should check if he got tax breaks. Because then he lied. Somehow Canada hired his father for the oil industry? work. The family lawyers/ tax accountants had to know about benefits of dual citizenship.

[UCmeNdc]

59. Ted Cruz signed up for Obama Care.

I guess he liked the plan after all.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

63. I'm really not inclined to doubt Cruz on that

I have met a lot of dual-citizens who were completely oblivious to the issue, it just didn't come up in their day to day lives until it did.

[Sunlei]

65. I agree. As long as he didn't use the citizenship he probably was oblivious to the issue.

[Darb]

51. Sure he is a citizen. He is not "natural born" and he was not a citizen

at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States"

He is not eligible.

[cali]

45. fuck. I really dislike this stupid shit.

[Darb]

52. I love it.

Serves their dumbasses right. They should have to explain his eligibility. Which they cannot. He is a natural born Canadian.

[DFW]

46. Last sentence not quite right

"His mother would have to go to the American Embassy and file for his American citizenship."

She would have had to go to the Embassy to REGISTER his citizenship, and get his papers (passport, US birth certificate). Cruz was entitled to citizenship since birth, but US authorities will ask for some serious documentation, especially if it isn't requested immediately, which make them suspicious as to the reason for the delay (as in, OK who is this kid REALLY for whom you are requesting citizenship, and WTF took you so long?).

When I was at the US embassy in Germany registering one of my newly-born daughters as a US citizen, there was a German woman with a young teenager asking for a US passport for her kid. Her justification was that the father had been an American soldier stationed in Germany. Since she had no documents and no father to back up her claim, the embassy turned her down. She may have been telling the truth for all they knew, but without any documentation, it was no use.

When I was at the embassy for my daughters, I had called ahead, asked what I needed to bring, and walked out with their US birth certificates, first passports and social security numbers in hand the same morning. There's a right way to do this, and if followed, it is done with minimal effort.

[Wabbajack_]

47. Lets not play the silly birther game

[Darb]

54. Let's do and say we didn't.

[Generic Brad]

53. Where is Orley Taitz when we need her?

I would expect her to be front and center on this birther issue by displaying a level of outrage equal to what she displayed towards President Obama. (Unless she was disingenuous all along).

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

62. I know a few Americans who have given birth in Calgary

And they were provided with the paperwork for the consulate at the hospital. This is practically an American exclave.

[UCmeNdc]

66. The real question is ......

Are the birther movement people really concerned with having a naturalized citizen get nominated as president or are they only concerned about President Obama?