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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:40 AM Feb 2015

How Bernie Sanders just electrified Iowa

At an under-the-radar town hall in Des Moines, Sanders had the crowd begging for more. Here's why it matters

DES MOINES — Bernie Sanders has neckties older than most of his audience at last Friday’s Drake University Town Hall in Des Moines. Yet the age differential didn’t matter. His college-age audience loved him. Organized by Drake progressive students, Sanders and his audience seemed to have a near telepathic connection. His issues are their issues, and if anything, they are more pissed off than he is.

Several Drake students set the stage for Sanders in brief topical introductions, laying waste to money in politics, Citizens United specifically, the reality and dangers of climate change, the importance of pay equity for women, immigration reform, and the crushing burden of the cost of college and debt. Then Bernie nailed it, touching on all of these topics and more.

Unlike the speeches at the recent Republican Iowa Freedom Summit, Sanders was long on ideas, and short on chest-thumping, fiery rhetoric. He also didn’t have an audience mostly old enough to vote when Ronald Reagan was running for president.

At first it was unclear who the bigger enemy of the people were to Sanders — the Kardashians or the Koch brothers. The Kardashians, or rather our public fascination with them, represents America’s apathy. Sanders was clear that nothing progressive can happen until people start paying attention. Sanders told his audience that Americans are getting screwed, and that we had better pay attention and get off our asses.

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/people_are_really_getting_angry_how_bernie_sanders_just_electrified_iowa_and_what_it_means_for_16/


and for those who keep insisting Sanders has absolutely no chance of winning:

Sanders pushed the question with each of them. Is there support out there for a progressive candidate? One man said, “I think people are ready for a champion…if you are a champion for our issues, people will follow you.” One woman had driven four hours to see Sanders, and assured him the support is there. One by one all agreed that they would support a progressive candidate.


The thing that frightens our bought political parties the most is a populist uprising. I think Bernie can fuel one. He's got my support and my vote. How about you?
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How Bernie Sanders just electrified Iowa (Original Post) NorthCarolina Feb 2015 OP
This is great news to hear. Go Bernie!...n/t monmouth4 Feb 2015 #1
He's my guy kacekwl Feb 2015 #2
Bernie would beat Hillary like a drum MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #3
Seriously? brooklynite Feb 2015 #9
Last time I checked, DesMoines was in Iowa, not Vermont... But maybe 1monster Feb 2015 #18
I'll grant you he MIGHT do well in Iowa (bearing in mind that Dean didn't) brooklynite Feb 2015 #25
He wins Iowa and New Hampshire and starts to get national attention. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #42
Yes please...nt stopwastingmymoney Feb 2015 #44
I can't speak for anyone else..... daleanime Feb 2015 #56
Why can't we run an innovative campaign rainy Feb 2015 #19
That's really the only chance he's got. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #21
Add to that some of the old tactics such as mailing out fliers and we can work on it. Plus one BIG jwirr Feb 2015 #28
Yes. We want a candidate who is like us salib Feb 2015 #46
Guerrilla campaigning is how Dennis Kucinich won 17% in the Minnesota caucuses Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #23
17% means you lost... brooklynite Feb 2015 #27
Yes, but that was DK's best showing ANYWHERE Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #40
The average voter doesn't look for political YouTube videos... brooklynite Feb 2015 #26
The MN campaign "adopted" an Iowa county, the one around Decorah Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #41
ONE County with a population of 21,000... brooklynite Feb 2015 #58
I don't go looking for videos of a lot of stuff svpadgham Feb 2015 #57
No...because the average voter doesn't HAVE news feeds. brooklynite Feb 2015 #59
The average voter doesn't use Facebook? svpadgham Feb 2015 #65
The average voter MIGHT use Facebook... brooklynite Feb 2015 #66
You are correct about the money but I hope he wins the Iowa caucus because that could possibly jwirr Feb 2015 #24
False equivalence is when you compare fundraisng for a state race in Vermont TeamPooka Feb 2015 #34
But, because he's only HAD to raise money for a state race in Vermont... brooklynite Feb 2015 #35
I you "don't see his ability", then you have nothing to worry about. NorthCarolina Feb 2015 #39
Bernie hasn't accepted money from corporations... ms liberty Feb 2015 #48
Go on with your bad self, Bernie!!! whathehell Feb 2015 #4
Bernie has my support, and he'll have my vote if he runs. HappyMe Feb 2015 #5
I hope he runs gwheezie Feb 2015 #6
Podemos-- Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #22
That's good to hear about the young folks, bravo! appalachiablue Feb 2015 #64
I would love to be able to vote for Bernie! immoderate Feb 2015 #7
Sanders will get my support as long as he is in the race. nt ladjf Feb 2015 #8
I've always liked Sanders, and if he runs in the primary, PatrickforO Feb 2015 #10
I'm all in for Bernie. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #11
He's got my vote newfie11 Feb 2015 #12
K & R ...and this shows where the heart of the Dem party should be. L0oniX Feb 2015 #13
I think this shows where the heart of the Democratic Party IS. NorthCarolina Feb 2015 #15
He was 150 miles away Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #14
I'll be at a "Run Bernie Run" event this weekend. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2015 #16
"The thing that frightens our bought political parties the most is a populist uprising" zeemike Feb 2015 #17
Bernie has my full support MissDeeds Feb 2015 #20
Sanders would be the sole Liberal candidate if he chooses to run. Maedhros Feb 2015 #29
FDR for a new century. Go Bernie! Dems to Win Feb 2015 #30
That's it, 21st Century New Deal with Bernie! appalachiablue Feb 2015 #63
He would get my Primary vote Trajan Feb 2015 #31
I'd DEFINITELY vote for Bernie. denverbill Feb 2015 #32
Go Bernie! colsohlibgal Feb 2015 #33
I will definitely vote for him over HRC in the primary. paulkienitz Feb 2015 #36
More spine than most politicians. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #37
K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #38
One problem, he's not a Democrat. mahina Feb 2015 #43
if he throws in his hat hopemountain Feb 2015 #53
I like him too but for this primary, I 'm for Martin O'Malley. mahina Feb 2015 #55
have never heard of him - but will check him out. hopemountain Feb 2015 #60
Because he's running for the Democratic nomination. mahina Feb 2015 #62
Run Bernie Run! ybbor Feb 2015 #45
He needs the Green Party endorsement november3rd Feb 2015 #47
Count me in! n/t Michigan-Arizona Feb 2015 #49
Sanders? Thespian2 Feb 2015 #50
I like Bernie but... Abbraxus Feb 2015 #51
But here she comes to save the day! Hillary is offering "inclusive capitalism"! whereisjustice Feb 2015 #52
If he doesn't get off the fence and declare himself a Democrat-- eridani Feb 2015 #54
If Sanders is the only progressive I will end up voting for him in the primary davidpdx Feb 2015 #61
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. Bernie would beat Hillary like a drum
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:56 AM
Feb 2015

I believe he'll prevent her from running - she knows he'll doom her candidacy.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
9. Seriously?
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:50 AM
Feb 2015

Explain how Bernie Sanders runs a NATIONAL campaign (requiring financial and political support), and how he appeals to voters in States that aren't as liberal as Vermont?

According to FEC, in his 2010 campaign, he collected $788,000. That's hardly enough for a House race in most districts.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
18. Last time I checked, DesMoines was in Iowa, not Vermont... But maybe
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:22 PM
Feb 2015

things have changed?

Bernie has my vote since before he started making noises about maybe thinking about running...

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
25. I'll grant you he MIGHT do well in Iowa (bearing in mind that Dean didn't)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:00 PM
Feb 2015

...but he's got to run nationwide, and most States really require TV advertising to reach everyone.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
42. He wins Iowa and New Hampshire and starts to get national attention.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:56 PM
Feb 2015

The large liberal donors that shunned Hillary start to fund him. People want to back a winner that's why the large donors didn't invite Hillary to their summit. http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/progressive-donors-dont-invite-hillary Hillary's support like last time is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Hillary looks like, well like she did in the 2008 debates and starts to lose support again.

Sanders wins!!!

I even think he can do it as an independent if he wants. I think the Country is sick of both parties and for what they stand.

rainy

(6,089 posts)
19. Why can't we run an innovative campaign
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:22 PM
Feb 2015

And use social media brilliantly so that we beat the money requirement. Flash mob art, dance, leaflets, YouTube, photo bombing other candidates being interviewed live. Banksy like building art.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. That's really the only chance he's got.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:36 PM
Feb 2015

Even so, it's a pretty interesting possibility. The new media certainly gives us organizational and communication tools with possibilities that we're just beginning to understand.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. Add to that some of the old tactics such as mailing out fliers and we can work on it. Plus one BIG
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
Feb 2015

issue we have not been using enough. They have the money to buy the election - is that really what the American people want? We need to push this until any candidate in the GE that has a lot of money will be automatically seen as bought and sold.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
23. Guerrilla campaigning is how Dennis Kucinich won 17% in the Minnesota caucuses
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015

The local volunteers were phenomenally creative, leafleting at every community event, door knocking in their neighborhoods, pressuring local media to provide covereage of DK's visits (something the local media would not have done otherwise), even having campaign materials translated into the common immigrant languages.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
27. 17% means you lost...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
Feb 2015

You might pick up some delegates, but ultimately, you'll need to win some large Primary States with a widely spread-out population. Candidates don't spend money on TV ads because they want to; they do so because it's the only way to reach most voters.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
40. Yes, but that was DK's best showing ANYWHERE
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:11 PM
Feb 2015

and he actually won some precincts.

Most places, including such liberal strongholds as Madison, Wisconsin, and Portland, Oregon, he won his usual 2-3%. The places where he scored higher were all those with strong and creative grassroots campaigns. Just think what a well-organized 50-state campaign could do, perhaps not win but make the Establishment scramble.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
26. The average voter doesn't look for political YouTube videos...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

...nor are they likely to be exposed to flashmobs or dance groups. Unless you're limiting for vote gathering to large cities with exclusively millenial populations.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
58. ONE County with a population of 21,000...
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:26 AM
Feb 2015

...explain how you scale up to a Statewide, much less national campaign.

I'm not being dismissive, I'm being bluntly political. Bernie Sanders has never had to compete for a large electorate on a national platform, requiring huge numbers of financial contributors and volunteers. I've yet to see a compelling explanation of how he does that, and I doubt it involves Flash Mobs.

svpadgham

(670 posts)
57. I don't go looking for videos of a lot of stuff
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:06 AM
Feb 2015

Yet they end up in my news feeds. If they are creative enough and can appeal to the average voter, they will make it to them.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
59. No...because the average voter doesn't HAVE news feeds.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 11:24 AM
Feb 2015

The average voter doesn't care much for politics, and doesn't go out of their way to search for information about candidates.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
66. The average voter MIGHT use Facebook...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:38 PM
Feb 2015

...to look at photos of their Grand-kids or share stories of their vacations. I do not believe the average voter searches out political or issue pages).

I do not believe any other social media platform reaches any significant portion of the voting population.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. You are correct about the money but I hope he wins the Iowa caucus because that could possibly
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:00 PM
Feb 2015

wake up Hillary. She has shown no support for the kind of ideas he offers. All of you are going to get your way but I seriously doubt that Hillary is going to be able to fix anything. She is too far right on economic issues and God only knows where she is on using military to answer the problems of the world.

So I will vote but I do not have hope for the real problems of our democracy.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
35. But, because he's only HAD to raise money for a state race in Vermont...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:13 PM
Feb 2015

...I don't see his ability to raise money at the level needed for a national campaign.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
39. I you "don't see his ability", then you have nothing to worry about.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:44 PM
Feb 2015

If Bernie throws his hat into the ring, and Warren stays out (which appears to be the case), I'd bet money that MoveOn and Ready for Warren and the other progressive groups now encouraging her to run will throw their support behind him.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
48. Bernie hasn't accepted money from corporations...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Feb 2015

Only individuals and local (Vt.) companies; he hasn't accepted money from right wing pacs and super pacs, he's registered as an independent which doesn't give him access to Dem party money, and for his state wide campaigns he has only taken money from in-state. Maybe that is why? If he decides to become a candidate and switches his party affiliation to Dem, then that will change, as will his "war chest" totals.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
6. I hope he runs
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:28 AM
Feb 2015

I like him. Several of my younger relatives who range from conservative to liberal like him. They're done with both parties.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
22. Podemos--
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:38 PM
Feb 2015

The Spanish populist party is a fusion of elements of right & left against the moneyed "center."

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
10. I've always liked Sanders, and if he runs in the primary,
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:52 AM
Feb 2015

I would in fact support him over the candidate put forward by the corporate Democrats.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
15. I think this shows where the heart of the Democratic Party IS.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:56 AM
Feb 2015

The exception being the corporate conservative faction embedded within the Democratic Party.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
16. I'll be at a "Run Bernie Run" event this weekend. . .
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
Feb 2015

. . .just got the e-mail about it.

courtesy of Progressive Democrats of America

http://www.pdamerica.org/

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
17. "The thing that frightens our bought political parties the most is a populist uprising"
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:03 PM
Feb 2015

That is the truth...because a populist uprising threatens the political party establishment.
And they will pump millions of dollars into marginalizing or discrediting him if they need to.
But ideas can win over big money.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
20. Bernie has my full support
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:34 PM
Feb 2015

As the man in the audience said, "I think people are ready for a champion". I know I am.

Go Bernie!!!

K&R

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. Sanders would be the sole Liberal candidate if he chooses to run.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:51 PM
Feb 2015

I would think that would at least give him the support of the base.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
31. He would get my Primary vote
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:17 PM
Feb 2015

His message is my message ... I sincerely appreciate Bernie's worldview and completely agree with his approach.

Duly noted how some of the Democrats on this forum have already begun to lay into the Progressives, as if Progressives are their sworn enemies ...

I say: FUCK the conservative Democrats ... If Bernie doesn't win the Primary Season, then, sure ... I'll vote for Hillary ... But go to hell if you think you can shut us down before it's even started ...

If Bernie gets a head of steam, then the money will come ... so all the hemming and hawing about campaign money is a red herring.

The question is : Will you haters of Progressives be there for Bernie?, or will you jump ship and vote GOP?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
33. Go Bernie!
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:49 PM
Feb 2015

People do have to pay more attention so we can reverse the dumbing down of the US - and then eventually take back both parties from Wall Street and then back to Main Street.

Public Funding of elections is a must, to end virtual bribery with the prizes going to the people who have more with which to bribe.

As the late great George Carlin said, the people running things are in a big club and we're not in it.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
36. I will definitely vote for him over HRC in the primary.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:39 PM
Feb 2015

My only issue with him is on Israel. I can live with that.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
37. More spine than most politicians.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:46 PM
Feb 2015

He's one of the few in Congress that
has EARNED the word "leader".

Bernie is a true leader.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
53. if he throws in his hat
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:06 AM
Feb 2015

he might consider changing parties.. but to do so, he wants to feel a movement and support from the youth, workers, and the 99% for him to run.

he is very wise and clear about the issues.

mahina

(17,640 posts)
55. I like him too but for this primary, I 'm for Martin O'Malley.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:19 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

I love Bernie actually, a lot. But for now anyway, it seems to me that there's no sense in supporting him for the Democratic primary as he's not a Democrat.

mahina

(17,640 posts)
62. Because he's running for the Democratic nomination.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:17 AM
Feb 2015

I also used to go to Baltimore once a year for a few years and was around before he ran, during the run at one point, and right after an election. I think he's a good egg. What do we ever really know?

But he's less conservative than Hillary, whom I also like, and unlike Bernie, whom I love, Martin is a Democrat.

Abbraxus

(18 posts)
51. I like Bernie but...
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:49 PM
Feb 2015

Listen, I like Bernie as much as the next guy. However do you think the Republican and Democratic party is really going to let there be a 3rd party President in the White House? Even if that happens, are we in for 4 more years of gridlock?

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
52. But here she comes to save the day! Hillary is offering "inclusive capitalism"!
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:40 PM
Feb 2015

mindless bullshit neo-liberal business-babble that she hopes bowls over the simple minded under-class.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
54. If he doesn't get off the fence and declare himself a Democrat--
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:21 AM
Feb 2015

--there's not going to be time to do the necessary organizing on hie behalf.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
61. If Sanders is the only progressive I will end up voting for him in the primary
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

I hope we have someone other than the corporate 1% candidate.

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