2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow Bernie Sanders just electrified Iowa
DES MOINES Bernie Sanders has neckties older than most of his audience at last Fridays Drake University Town Hall in Des Moines. Yet the age differential didnt matter. His college-age audience loved him. Organized by Drake progressive students, Sanders and his audience seemed to have a near telepathic connection. His issues are their issues, and if anything, they are more pissed off than he is.
Several Drake students set the stage for Sanders in brief topical introductions, laying waste to money in politics, Citizens United specifically, the reality and dangers of climate change, the importance of pay equity for women, immigration reform, and the crushing burden of the cost of college and debt. Then Bernie nailed it, touching on all of these topics and more.
Unlike the speeches at the recent Republican Iowa Freedom Summit, Sanders was long on ideas, and short on chest-thumping, fiery rhetoric. He also didnt have an audience mostly old enough to vote when Ronald Reagan was running for president.
At first it was unclear who the bigger enemy of the people were to Sanders the Kardashians or the Koch brothers. The Kardashians, or rather our public fascination with them, represents Americas apathy. Sanders was clear that nothing progressive can happen until people start paying attention. Sanders told his audience that Americans are getting screwed, and that we had better pay attention and get off our asses.
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/people_are_really_getting_angry_how_bernie_sanders_just_electrified_iowa_and_what_it_means_for_16/
and for those who keep insisting Sanders has absolutely no chance of winning:
The thing that frightens our bought political parties the most is a populist uprising. I think Bernie can fuel one. He's got my support and my vote. How about you?
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)kacekwl
(7,016 posts)Run or not he is getting people's ears.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I believe he'll prevent her from running - she knows he'll doom her candidacy.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)Explain how Bernie Sanders runs a NATIONAL campaign (requiring financial and political support), and how he appeals to voters in States that aren't as liberal as Vermont?
According to FEC, in his 2010 campaign, he collected $788,000. That's hardly enough for a House race in most districts.
1monster
(11,012 posts)things have changed?
Bernie has my vote since before he started making noises about maybe thinking about running...
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...but he's got to run nationwide, and most States really require TV advertising to reach everyone.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)The large liberal donors that shunned Hillary start to fund him. People want to back a winner that's why the large donors didn't invite Hillary to their summit. http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/progressive-donors-dont-invite-hillary Hillary's support like last time is a mile wide and an inch deep.
Hillary looks like, well like she did in the 2008 debates and starts to lose support again.
Sanders wins!!!
I even think he can do it as an independent if he wants. I think the Country is sick of both parties and for what they stand.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)but I would work my tail off for Bernie.
rainy
(6,089 posts)And use social media brilliantly so that we beat the money requirement. Flash mob art, dance, leaflets, YouTube, photo bombing other candidates being interviewed live. Banksy like building art.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Even so, it's a pretty interesting possibility. The new media certainly gives us organizational and communication tools with possibilities that we're just beginning to understand.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)issue we have not been using enough. They have the money to buy the election - is that really what the American people want? We need to push this until any candidate in the GE that has a lot of money will be automatically seen as bought and sold.
salib
(2,116 posts)And not part of the one tenth of one percent.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)The local volunteers were phenomenally creative, leafleting at every community event, door knocking in their neighborhoods, pressuring local media to provide covereage of DK's visits (something the local media would not have done otherwise), even having campaign materials translated into the common immigrant languages.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)You might pick up some delegates, but ultimately, you'll need to win some large Primary States with a widely spread-out population. Candidates don't spend money on TV ads because they want to; they do so because it's the only way to reach most voters.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)and he actually won some precincts.
Most places, including such liberal strongholds as Madison, Wisconsin, and Portland, Oregon, he won his usual 2-3%. The places where he scored higher were all those with strong and creative grassroots campaigns. Just think what a well-organized 50-state campaign could do, perhaps not win but make the Establishment scramble.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...nor are they likely to be exposed to flashmobs or dance groups. Unless you're limiting for vote gathering to large cities with exclusively millenial populations.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Dennis Kucinich WON that county.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...explain how you scale up to a Statewide, much less national campaign.
I'm not being dismissive, I'm being bluntly political. Bernie Sanders has never had to compete for a large electorate on a national platform, requiring huge numbers of financial contributors and volunteers. I've yet to see a compelling explanation of how he does that, and I doubt it involves Flash Mobs.
svpadgham
(670 posts)Yet they end up in my news feeds. If they are creative enough and can appeal to the average voter, they will make it to them.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)The average voter doesn't care much for politics, and doesn't go out of their way to search for information about candidates.
svpadgham
(670 posts)Or any other form of social media?
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...to look at photos of their Grand-kids or share stories of their vacations. I do not believe the average voter searches out political or issue pages).
I do not believe any other social media platform reaches any significant portion of the voting population.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)wake up Hillary. She has shown no support for the kind of ideas he offers. All of you are going to get your way but I seriously doubt that Hillary is going to be able to fix anything. She is too far right on economic issues and God only knows where she is on using military to answer the problems of the world.
So I will vote but I do not have hope for the real problems of our democracy.
TeamPooka
(24,218 posts)to a national campaign
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...I don't see his ability to raise money at the level needed for a national campaign.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)If Bernie throws his hat into the ring, and Warren stays out (which appears to be the case), I'd bet money that MoveOn and Ready for Warren and the other progressive groups now encouraging her to run will throw their support behind him.
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Only individuals and local (Vt.) companies; he hasn't accepted money from right wing pacs and super pacs, he's registered as an independent which doesn't give him access to Dem party money, and for his state wide campaigns he has only taken money from in-state. Maybe that is why? If he decides to become a candidate and switches his party affiliation to Dem, then that will change, as will his "war chest" totals.
whathehell
(29,065 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Go Bernie!
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I like him. Several of my younger relatives who range from conservative to liberal like him. They're done with both parties.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The Spanish populist party is a fusion of elements of right & left against the moneyed "center."
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
ladjf
(17,320 posts)PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)I would in fact support him over the candidate put forward by the corporate Democrats.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I hope he runs.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)The exception being the corporate conservative faction embedded within the Democratic Party.
Omaha Steve
(99,573 posts)When he gets to Western Iowa I'll be there. K&R!
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts). . .just got the e-mail about it.
courtesy of Progressive Democrats of America
http://www.pdamerica.org/
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That is the truth...because a populist uprising threatens the political party establishment.
And they will pump millions of dollars into marginalizing or discrediting him if they need to.
But ideas can win over big money.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)As the man in the audience said, "I think people are ready for a champion". I know I am.
Go Bernie!!!
K&R
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I would think that would at least give him the support of the base.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I'll be supporting Bernie when he announces he's running.
appalachiablue
(41,118 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)His message is my message ... I sincerely appreciate Bernie's worldview and completely agree with his approach.
Duly noted how some of the Democrats on this forum have already begun to lay into the Progressives, as if Progressives are their sworn enemies ...
I say: FUCK the conservative Democrats ... If Bernie doesn't win the Primary Season, then, sure ... I'll vote for Hillary ... But go to hell if you think you can shut us down before it's even started ...
If Bernie gets a head of steam, then the money will come ... so all the hemming and hawing about campaign money is a red herring.
The question is : Will you haters of Progressives be there for Bernie?, or will you jump ship and vote GOP?
denverbill
(11,489 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)People do have to pay more attention so we can reverse the dumbing down of the US - and then eventually take back both parties from Wall Street and then back to Main Street.
Public Funding of elections is a must, to end virtual bribery with the prizes going to the people who have more with which to bribe.
As the late great George Carlin said, the people running things are in a big club and we're not in it.
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)My only issue with him is on Israel. I can live with that.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)He's one of the few in Congress that
has EARNED the word "leader".
Bernie is a true leader.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Damn right, NorthCarolina. He's got my vote too. A "21st Century New Deal!" for the 99%!
mahina
(17,640 posts)How would that work?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)he might consider changing parties.. but to do so, he wants to feel a movement and support from the youth, workers, and the 99% for him to run.
he is very wise and clear about the issues.
mahina
(17,640 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)
I love Bernie actually, a lot. But for now anyway, it seems to me that there's no sense in supporting him for the Democratic primary as he's not a Democrat.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)how do you know him?
mahina
(17,640 posts)I also used to go to Baltimore once a year for a few years and was around before he ran, during the run at one point, and right after an election. I think he's a good egg. What do we ever really know?
But he's less conservative than Hillary, whom I also like, and unlike Bernie, whom I love, Martin is a Democrat.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)I'll do what ever I can to get him elected!
november3rd
(1,113 posts)Build a left coalition
Michigan-Arizona
(762 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Of Course! How could any progressive not vote for all the things Bernie stands for?
Abbraxus
(18 posts)Listen, I like Bernie as much as the next guy. However do you think the Republican and Democratic party is really going to let there be a 3rd party President in the White House? Even if that happens, are we in for 4 more years of gridlock?
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)mindless bullshit neo-liberal business-babble that she hopes bowls over the simple minded under-class.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--there's not going to be time to do the necessary organizing on hie behalf.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I hope we have someone other than the corporate 1% candidate.