2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Not Hillary, Who?
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Charles Pierce at Esquire tackles the thorny problem facing Democrats in the run-up to the 2016 election:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/if-not-hillary-who-1114
Why is it a problem that Hillary is viewed as 'inevitable?'
Autumn
(45,064 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Against the same person I might add.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)as a fresh up and coming. Bernie has been around for decades doing his own thing, as a socialist.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)to get the nomination as a Democrat (which he is not) . Perhaps if he runs at the socialist convention....
Fearless
(18,421 posts)He runs as an independent who caucuses with Democrats. He could join the party if he wished. Democrats would welcome him. Look around social media even and you'll see that liberal America at large would as well.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Autumn
(45,064 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)do you think all Democrats are just going to bow down to a new comer even if he DOES become one?
indeed.
Autumn
(45,064 posts)I don't ask anyone to bow to anyone but do keep pulling those silly things you like to rant about out of your... imagination.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)said he had Presidential potential....AND he was a Democrat.
so it is YOUR imagination in question here...
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Autumn
(45,064 posts)I also didn't say he wasn't a Democrat. You sure do have a habit of going off on people about things they don't say, because I wasn't talking about what people said about him. I posted what candidate Obama said.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and I care NOT to experience a Country where all three branches are controlled by Republicans. I won't waste a vote on a long shot! Certainly NOT this time.
Autumn
(45,064 posts)I will admit to speculating. Does that work? I admire that you cherish your vote and will vote for whom you please. I will too, and I won't hold my nose to do so
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and if you cannot vote for whom the Democrats themselves select...YOU are no longer one! Hello independent.
From the moment he gave that speech....there were speculations of a Presidential run...THAT is reality.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)but he can hopefully push Hillary to the left.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Autumn
(45,064 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Which also puts some of the blame on our recent Midterm fiasco on HER. Many people did not want to shell out to win the midterm, because they are saving up for 2016, and this also allowed the news media to focus on anything BUT the mid term!
brooklynite
(94,510 posts)Complain all you want about our failures in the midterm, but availability of funds wasn't the reason. I shelled out $80,000 in this cycle, and I know a lot of people who did better than that. We'll all be able to step forward for Hillary when she runs.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)If I run in Colorado in 2016 will you hook me up?
brooklynite
(94,510 posts)Let's put it this way. The first thing you'll do is call me directly; not send me a spam email. I'll have researched the prospective candidates so I'll know who else is considering running, what the voting profile is like, and what kind of candidate is likely to be competitive.
Second, you'll come and visit me personally in NYC. Now, I know that's something of a burden, but if Mark Udall was willing to do it, so should you. This'll give me a chance to get to know you personally, ask probing questions, and come to a stronger conclusion about whether you can win AND whether you need my help. The advantage of this however, is that I'll round up some acquaintances with equally deep pockets that you can pitch to.
Third, and perhaps most important, you won't get upset if I say "no"; because that's what I told Udall. When he met with me, his race was rated "Likely D" (ditto Jeanne Shaheen when she called me); I told him he was doing to well at the time and my resources were being targeted at more competitive races. However, I monitor developments closely, so when the races started to shift, I redirected some of my money to help him.
Does that answer your question?>
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I was joking, but wow, you make me want to consider it for reals rather than muse about a fantasy... you make it sound like getting the right connections isn't that terrible, even if it's moral support. That is surprising to me.
brooklynite
(94,510 posts)...there are a large number of well-off people who support progressive and moderate candidates without a significant agenda or quid pro quo demand; we're happy to elect people who would raise our taxes to strengthen the social safety net; support women's rights; oppose irresponsible military action and are in favor of a safe environment. The key is supporting people who can actually win, whether that's Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts or "Third Wayer" Jeanne Shaheen in New Hampshire.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Not when Warren is as liberal as Udall, who, btw, I canvased and voted for, and who sadly lost, due to internal idiocy (and in part due to voter disenfranchisement). Udall was a good guy, had a lot to say about the NSA (which many DUer's should've supported him for) and the environment. I just can't take the conspiracy crap seriously at this point.
We need adults in the room.
Just to extend the hypothetical, if I did it I'd have to climb the ladder and do a Colorado General Assembly run first... do you actually concern yourself or do high doners (from other states) concern themselves with local races like that? I know Oligarchy United at least enables it for the Koch's... but it'd be interesting if you cared about lower races like that or what.
brooklynite
(94,510 posts)I've found that a lot of people both here and in the funding community spend most of their time on Federal races. It can be very hard to understand local races and personalities for out of State legislative contests. That said, my wife and I recognize that we need to buttress our State House strength to build a firewall for 2022 redistricting, and to build up a resource of people for future Federal races. We've primarily supported the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (DLCC) and some State Parties where we were comfortable that they knew what they were doing.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)There was a healthy lot in the primaries in 2008 and there will be another one in 2016. This media driven message for Hillary is not going to work and it is ridiculous especially when Hillary has proven that she is a lousy campaigner and hires lousy advisors. That is not going to strick fear in anyones heart, in fact it will do the opposite.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)VanillaRhapsody
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talk to the hand until you do..
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)let us know when you find one
EEO
(1,620 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I for one do not want to know what R's controlling 3 branches of govt is like...even if it has one candidate that SOME people think is not Liberal enough for them.
However...I beg to differ
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)brooklynite
(94,510 posts)If she doesn't and he does, he may be more competitive than most people imagine.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Thanks for sharing it.
Clinton cannot go unopposed. And she needs some serious liberal contenders to go up against her. Wyden, Sanders, Reich, Warren. Let it happen. Of course, she's more liberal than 3 of them, so let's see what happens.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I'm British so I don't get to vote in your elections. But leaving that aside, I like Bernie's ideas (and the USA desperately needs to get over the "free markets uber alles" attitude), I like Warren's fight and I have some reservations about Hillary (a bit too hawkish for my liking), partially based on Bill's presidency (his shameful gutting of welfare) which may be unfair to her.
Reformed Bully
(43 posts)Michelle & Jill
lamp_shade
(14,828 posts)Just kidding.
DFW
(54,365 posts)Where was Bill Clinton on the national radar in 1990?
Why not ask of the Republicans, "If not a maniac or a Bush, WHO?"
But no, they are all as Hillary-obsessed as half DU, it seems. I wish Democrats had been as Senate-obsessed two weeks ago.
TBF
(32,054 posts)for the past couple of years. They've taken him out of San Antonio and placed him in a cabinet position, he did his big speech at the convention etc.
I am still expecting that ticket, but what if she would pull out for health reasons or something like that? Would Julian Castro be a contender on his own? I know what he did for San Antonio and how very popular he is amongst Texans. Has any thought been given to this?