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Tue May 15, 2012, 10:19 AM

In June of 2004 Kerry was leading Bush by 6-points in a Gallup Poll

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/gallup-presidential-election-trialheat-trends-19362004.aspx

The last time an incumbent president was up for election. Kerry also led in July before Bush generally had a small advantage in Gallup up until the election. So, I think the national polls in May, June & July (such as that NY Times bull poll) are not generally barometers as to who will win. I think polls after the conventions and debates will be more conclusive.

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Response to WI_DEM (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:21 AM

1. POLLS mean nothing

electoral college delegate count maps is all that is important

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Response to cindyperry2010 (Reply #1)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:25 AM

3. Especially if you are vote-switching in THE critical swing state!

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #3)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:39 AM

6. True. Kerry most likely won. But it was close enough to steal! Hopefully, not this time!

If we let it be close enough to steal, they will. Already started with voter suppression. GOTV!

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Response to WI_DEM (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:23 AM

2. but that was well before Karl Rove got to work on the #s

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:37 AM

4. Room full of assholes. nt

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:37 AM

5. Were they campaigning

AT THE WHITE HOUSE? How outrageous!!!!

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:43 AM

7. That was election night 2004 after Karen Hughes had told W he had lost

Early in the day Ohio, Florida, and a bunch of other states had all been going for
Kerry and it was going to be a landslide in the electoral college but then Rove,
Smartech, Blackwell, and others got busy.

I worked that election in Ohio that day .... it still haunts me.

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Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:46 AM

8. Hughes had told Bush he had lost?

Hadn't heard that story (probably for obvious reasons). I remember that things had initially looked positive for Kerry but as the evening wore on and the election seemed to be turning on Ohio, I saw the handwriting on the wall, which was just confirmed the next morning when Kerry conceded. *ugh*

O.k., so that's even worse. They weren't campaigning in the WH, they were busy stealing the election (again).

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #8)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:09 AM

9. Yes Karen went and told W he lost in late afternoon or early evening

.... and W just laughed. The Ohio vote was going to be shipped to a computer in Chattanooga,
Tennessee that evening where it was going to be worked on to make sure that it turned out
right because despite all the voter suppression and other dirty tricks Kerry was still going to
win the state so that was Rove's firewall. The I.T. man who ran that little scam Michael Connell
died in a very neat little private plane crash in Dec. of 2008.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Karl_Roves_IT_guru_Mike_Connell_1220.html

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:56 AM

10. Wow. Talk about a raw deal.

If I was the IT guy who stole an election, I would expect $25 million in a Cayman Islands bank account. Not to be killed off in a plane crash.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:36 PM

12. He and his family were starting to talk and had come to realize that W and company .....

... were evil people. He also had control over the private White House emails and was
in line to give testimony about them. He had death threats before and two times he did
fly his plane because he felt something was wrong w/ it. I know a couple of attorneys
who were trying to find out about what happen in Ohio 2004 and they were aware of the
death threats too.

The media knows about all of this but will not touch Ohio 2004 for some reason or another.

Final exit polls CNN 1:07 AM 11/3/04

Ohio Male Voters 47% bush 49.5% Kerry
Female Voters 47% bush 51% Kerry

After this CNN started to post "blended polls" which mixed the exit polls and the voting results.

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Response to WI_DEM (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:07 PM

11. GOTV! How many voters have been bumped off the rolls this time, and how many ID rejects

will there be. Never before has voter registration been so important. The R's have already shaved several percentage points in key states!

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Response to WI_DEM (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 01:39 PM

13. And shortly before the election that year,

John Zogby, the pollster, said on some show (The Daily show maybe) when asked who was going to win, absolutely without hesitation said John Kerry. I was very disappointed that he did not come out afterwards to talk about why he was wrong -- which he wasn't. It's clear to all of us that the election was stolen that year.

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Response to WI_DEM (Original post)

Wed May 16, 2012, 01:43 PM

14. The bin Laden message shortly before election...

...has often been said to tip the undecideds in Bush's favor. Apparently, a little gibberish from
Al Qaeda was all it took to convince some people that there was validity in the GOP ads with the wolves circling the door. Idiots.

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