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Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:04 AM

"Hillary Clinton Begins to Move Away From Obama Ahead of 2016"

Well, this puts the fox in the henhouse, DU-wise. Although I am not the least bit surprised to know that HRC plans to woo Republicans, i.e., Big Corporate Interests. We already know she favors more trade agreements, the Keystone Pipeline, Wall Street in general and Big Banking in particular. Hence this overall rah-rah-Hillary article in the Wall Street Journal.

Hillary Clinton has begun distancing herself from President Barack Obama, suggesting that she would do more to woo Republicans and take a more assertive stance toward global crises, while sounding more downbeat than her former boss about the U.S. economic recovery.

In another contrast, Mrs. Clinton has said U.S. presidents must never stop courting Congress. Mr. Obama has questioned whether such efforts make any difference. Mrs. Clinton expressed skepticism of candidates with "beautiful vision," while Mr. Obama still hammers on his 2008 campaign mantra: "Hope." "I mean, some people can paint a beautiful vision," she said at a CNN event last month. "And, thankfully, we can all learn from that. But then, can you, with the tenacity, the persistence, the getting-knocked down/getting-back-up resilience, can you lead us there?"

As she mulls a presidential bid, Mrs. Clinton also has suggested that her husband's administration offers a more viable model for governing in polarized times than Mr. Obama's.
Partisanship in the 1990s was as grave as it is today, she suggested at the Colorado event. Nevertheless, Mr. Clinton made inroads with hostile Republican lawmakers, Mrs. Clinton said.

"My husband had some really serious problems with the Congress when he was in office," she said. "They shut down the government twice. They impeached him once. So it was not the most pleasant of atmospheres. But I will say this: Bill never stopped reaching out to them."
Building those relationships on Capitol Hill "is something there is no rest from," she added.


http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/hillary-clinton-begins-to-move-away-from-obama-ahead-of-2016-1404691988-lMyQjAxMTA0MDAwNzEwNDcyWj

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Reply "Hillary Clinton Begins to Move Away From Obama Ahead of 2016" (Original post)
Divernan Jul 7 OP
HERVEPA Jul 7 #1
NYC_SKP Jul 7 #2
wordpix Jul 7 #3
Divernan Jul 7 #4
Beacool Jul 7 #22
canoeist52 Jul 7 #5
Divernan Jul 7 #6
InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 7 #7
Divernan Jul 7 #8
Beacool Jul 7 #21
calguy Jul 8 #37
Thinkingabout Jul 7 #9
Divernan Jul 7 #11
Thinkingabout Jul 7 #13
stillwaiting Jul 7 #24
Scuba Jul 7 #10
beerandjesus Jul 7 #23
Doctor_J Jul 7 #26
beerandjesus Jul 7 #28
Maedhros Jul 7 #29
Baitball Blogger Jul 7 #12
Thinkingabout Jul 7 #15
Beacool Jul 7 #20
karynnj Jul 7 #35
noiretextatique Jul 7 #25
TBF Jul 7 #14
alsame Jul 7 #17
MoonchildCA Jul 7 #16
bvar22 Jul 7 #18
Beacool Jul 7 #19
Maedhros Jul 7 #31
antigop Jul 7 #33
Maedhros Jul 7 #34
antigop Jul 7 #36
Rstrstx Jul 7 #32
otohara Jul 7 #27
Zen Democrat Jul 7 #30
Splinter Cell Jul 8 #38
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 8 #39

Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:10 AM

1. Blecchhh. Elizabeth or Bernie, please run.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:11 AM

2. I believe we'd be totally screwn had she won back in 2008.

Sounds like she believes "Building those relationships on Capitol Hill" is really important!!11!!

I'm decidedly NOT ready for Hillary, I never will be.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:12 AM

3. my D congressman now senator told me in '08 he backed O b/c HRC

and Pres. Clinton were so hated by Congressional R's, the congressman thought Obama would have a better chance than HRC of getting along and getting things done with Congressional R's.

Little did he know.

And HRC seems to forget her history with the R's.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:16 AM

4. Hey, she sold out to Scaife for newspaper endorsements in '08.

You know, that Richard Scaife whose death provoked an outpouring of hatred and loathing on DU.
Yup, she traveled to the Tribune-Review offices in little Greensburg, PA and persuaded him to have his chain of conservative newspapers support her in the '08 primary. One secret Dick Scaife took to his grave - what was the quid pro quo Clinton promised you?

In 2008, Mrs. Clinton, then a Democratic senator from New York running for president, met Mr. Scaife and editors and reporters of The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review for an interview. The newspaper endorsed her, and Mr. Scaife, in a commentary, said: “I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today. And it’s a very favorable one indeed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/us/richard-mellon-scaife-influential-us-conservative-dies-at-82.html?_r=0

Yup, when it comes to rich old white conservatives, they're ready for Hillary.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:13 PM

22. Then your Congressman was not attuned to her relationship with her colleagues.

She won their respect through hard work and by being as she often likes to say, "a work horse, not a show horse".

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:18 AM

5. Could it be the magnets?

Repulsion between like magnetic poles

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:20 AM

6. This report deserves some recs, please.

Don't want to see it sink without exposure, so please get this to the greatest page.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:34 AM

7. Unbelievably disappointing but hardly surprising Hillary has no loyalty in return for that shown by President Obama to her. Elizabeth wud neva turn her back on the progress he's made.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:45 AM

8. She's also moving away from the Hispanic vote.

Yet Clinton glibly said during a recent CNN town hall that these young people “should be sent back” because “we have to send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Hillary-Clinton-s-immigration-misstep-5590648.php

Somehow, this cold-hearted comment doesn't fit in with either her dewy-eyed grandma-to-be spin or the Clinton Foundation's "noble" commitment to poor children.

Scene from a HRC presidency: Come sit on Grandma's lap and she'll tell you how many non-white kids who risked their lives to get into the US she deported today.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:11 PM

21. It's not cold hearted, it's pragmatic.

47,000 children have been sent unaccompanied through a treacherous border crossing. No, the families in Central America should not be encouraged to keep sending these children.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 01:08 AM

37. I have to agree

I'm all for legal immigration but this illegal stuff needs to be handled with a cold heart. Illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs and lowering our wages. They are like bloodsuckers sucking the life out of our social safety net. The more you let in the more will come. We simply cannot sustain this invasion. Only when word gets out that we swiftly send them back across the border will they begin to stop coming. Maybe if we just dropped them right back in Mexico's lap they might try to stop them as well. I know this sounds rather cold hearted, but I've seen so many leach off us for so long. I'm ready for all the negative reactions to this post.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:56 AM

9. She should have her own agenda, if one thing is to keep ACA and perhaps improve

It then this is good. She has lots of experience with world leaders having served as SOS. The DNC is lucky to have a pool in which to select a president and a VP. I l
am looking forward to seeing the Castro brothers mature also, future blood.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:02 AM

11. So you agree w/ her criticism Obama's not tenacious; doesn't get up when knocked down?

Basically, you're saying she would have been a more effective president than Obama, and I find that an amazing comment from someone who supports Obama, which I thought you did.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:10 AM

13. I never said your statement, I said she should have her own agenda.

Every president should have their own agenda, our world changes all of the time, the GOP are still attempting to run on Reagan agenda, that is over, get a new agenda.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:44 PM

24. Reagan's agenda has continued to this day (overall) during both R and D Admins. nt

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:58 AM

10. Yes, moving further to the right is exactly the best strategy for Democrats. Yeah, that's it.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:28 PM

23. And distancing himself from a popular president worked so well for Gore.....

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:22 PM

26. Obama's approval rating is 41%

Your point is based on a false premise

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:44 PM

28. You're right, point conceded.

But Obama would still be leaving HRC a record that a corporatist ought to be embracing rather than running from, and running to the right no less.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:48 PM

29. The next Democratic Presidential candidate should DEFINITELY be running away from Obama...

...but running to the LEFT, not the RIGHT.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:03 AM

12. It just occurred to me that Obama won the presidency because he supported issues

that Hillary was against. So it doesn't seem like she's interested in wooing the people that got him elected. She's wooing the people that benefit wildly through thirdway haggling.

Considering that the haggling generally involves encroaching on the constitutional rights of the underrepresented, I don't have much enthusiasm for what is to come.

Dear God, put Hillary in a working class setting for at least a month or two. She is so out of touch.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:36 AM

15. Put some thought into this:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

lots to sink your teeth into now plus since she ran in 2008 she has traveled and gained lots of foreign experience, yes she is in touch.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:09 PM

20. Nonsense.

They were a hairline apart on the issues. Yes, he spoke against the IWR while safely ensconced in Chicago. In 2004 when he was campaigning for Kerry, he admitted to Tim Russert that he didn't know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate at the time.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:29 PM

35. As Kerry said in 2008, Obama was being gracious in saying that rather than embarrass the nominee

of the party. His comment around the time of the vote was a definite no.

Not to mention, HRC, in her new book, makes it very clear that she was for a more aggressive policy on Afghanistan, Iran, Syria ... than Obama allowed. That is the position that she is opting to take. It is NOT one that is popular here, but it is what she wrote in her book. She obviously is, like in 2008, aiming for general election positions before the primary. In addition, the country may be even less willing to intervene.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:15 PM

25. i could not agree more

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:20 AM

14. And what we got was NAFTA -

My New Year's celebrations this year were haunted by memories of January 1, 1994 -- the day that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) went into effect. I remember crying that day, thinking about the proud men and women in union halls across America, the Mexican campesinos and the inspiring Canadian activists I had met during the fight against NAFTA, and hoping desperately that our dire predictions would be proved wrong.

They were not. In short order, the damage started. And, we started to document it.

For NAFTA's unhappy 20th anniversary, Public Citizen has published a report that details the wreckage. Not only did promises made by NAFTA's proponents not materialize, but many results are exactly the opposite.

Such outcomes include a staggering $181 billion U.S. trade deficit with NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada and the related loss of 1 million net U.S. jobs under NAFTA, growing income inequality, displacement of more than one million Mexican campesino farmers and a doubling of desperate immigration from Mexico, and more than $360 million paid to corporations after "investor-state" tribunal attacks on, and rollbacks of, domestic public interest policies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html



I think the deal here is very frustrating. We have to vote for Hillary (or whomever is anointed the chosen one) because we have no choice on the civil rights front - we are moving towards the Conservative Christian's own sharia law at an alarming pace which will be horrific for women, children, gay individuals etc.

But we are also on the neolib/neocon path of turning this country into a third world nation. I don't think this is accidental in the least. People's expectations are being managed by guiding them into lower paying jobs or outright retirement. This is how the costs of the aging baby boom generation are being "dealt with".

As time goes on it will continue to be an even more globalized economy with largely low-paying jobs everywhere in the world, with the exception of the few high-skilled pockets we see here and there.

All I can say is "workers of the world unite" because that is the only way to fight back. The old man had it correct no matter how much DUers like to disparage him.



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Response to TBF (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:04 PM

17. And DOMA, DADT, welfare

reform, telecom act, repeal of Glass Steagall. Not sure she really wants to go down the "Bill worked with the GOP" road.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:03 PM

16. Ir sounds to me like she's forgetting...

...she still needs to make it through the primary process.

Moving to the center a little too soon there, Hillary.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:52 PM

18. This should be interesting.


Now it looks like Hillary is a Racist & a Hater,
because what else could it be?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:06 PM

19. So, now we believe the spin from a RW newspaper like the WSJ?

Good to know..........

"They don't think the economy has recovered in a way that has helped them or their families," Mrs. Clinton said. In contrast, Mr. Obama sounded almost cheery after Thursday's jobs report, saying the country could make even more progress if Congress were willing to "set politics aside, at least occasionally."

If anything, she was chiding Congress for doing so little, not Obama.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:50 PM

31. When absent a substantive argument, blame the source. [n/t]

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:39 PM

33. BWAHAA! But we're supposed to believe WSJ polls! nt

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Response to antigop (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:03 PM

34. One is supposed to read the information and judge its quality using critical thinking skills.

Those skills become very dull if one automatically pre-judges the content of an article based upon its publishing source.

In this case, the WSJ polling data confirms much of what I suspected Hillary's strategy would be, given her coziness in the past with neo-con ideaology and Wall Street.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:15 PM

36. They can't have it both ways....

On the one hand, they'll say we should disregard an article ("consider the source") but on the other hand, we should believe polls from the same source.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:10 PM

32. EXACTLY! Those who want to rec this post should consider its source

I really love this passage (emphasis added):

"I mean, some people can paint a beautiful vision," she said at a CNN event last month.


Yet the article leads you to think she said it yesterday. The WSJ is desperately parsing words and phrases cobbled together from here and there to make it look like she's trying to do a hit job on the president. Their sister company Fox will only be too happy to run with this theme for a week or so before moving on to some other manufactured scandal.

And to the poster above, YES, I AM questioning the source, especially at how out of context I think these comments were taken (and when they were made).

Don't worry, they'll get bored with it soon enough and go back to their favorite past time of finding something to blame Obama for. I remember I made a bet with someone a few months ago that Fox would find a way to blame Obama for flight 370 and they thought I was crazy. I admit it took them longer than I thought - about two weeks - but they were finally able to string together some twisted way to put some blame on him. You should expect nothing less from the WSJ.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:36 PM

27. Will Mitch McConnell Have A Beer

with Hillary?

Will his batshit crazy party allow it?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:49 PM

30. Yeah, and Bill was impeached, called a murderer and a rapist.

He sure did humor those Republicans well. He gave them a repeal of Glass-Steagall, DOMA, DADT, Welfare Reform, no healthcare, and just exactly what did progressives get in return? Scorn.

Sorry, that kind of talk from Hillary reminds me to Al Gore stepping away from Clinton in 2000 and putting Joe Lieberman (an anti-Clinton activist senator) on the ticket. It didn't make Democrats happy then, and it won't help in 2016. If Hillary chooses to distance herself in a material way from Barack Obama, then she's toast for me.

I'd be happier with Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:18 PM

38. Hillary is the worst damn nominee we could have.

Democrats need to pull their heads out of their collective butt and start looking at other people.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 07:29 PM

39. Hillary Clinton is a fucking disaster! A disaster!

If she is our nominee in 2016, this country WILL have a Republican president.

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