Hillary or Not Hillary poll

[2pooped2pop]

I always see a lot of post for or against Hillary. Saying that she is running, I am curious of how many are for or against her on this site.

I prefer Not Hillary, but will vote whoever wins the primary, of course. And my choice of Not Hillary does depend on who else we have in the running.

I would love Warren but she isn't running, and I don't think she can win. But damn, she would be great.

You don't have to say who you want if not Hillary, or even why since this is a loaded topic it seems and I don't need all the snarkiness that seems to come out on this subject. I am just curious in what percentage of us are for and against.

I apologize in advance if a poll has already been done.

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	Hillary
	14 (26%)
	Not Hillary
	39 (74%)
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[femmocrat]

1. I will support the nominee.

I just don't see anyone like Barack Obama closing in on her right now.

Maybe someone will emerge; maybe not.

I do not think it will be Warren.

[idendoit]

15. Conventional wisdom never saw Obama coming. Sanders/Ellison 2016.

[Historic NY]

32. Sanders isn't a member of the Democratic Party.

[SheilaT]

2. She is same old same old.

Those who see her as the only possible choice have no sense of history, no sense of a future.

Hillary had her chance in 2008 and didn't make it. It's time for her and the rest of the Democrats out there to move on.

[Walk away]

4. Maybe we just have a sense of reality....nt

[SheilaT]

5. Sense of reality?

No new ideas to speak of since 1992?

Plus, she is so polarizing -- not fair, I admit -- that if she gets nominated, well we'd all better hope the Republicans nominate someone we can live with, because she won't win.

She's too old. I'm all of a year younger than she is and I still say she's too old. She looks old and she acts almost old. While Elizabeth Warren is only a year and a half younger, she looks and seems at least a decade younger. Not sure why, but there it is.

Personally I would love for Warren to run, but I'd rather be realistic and see who else is out there.

[Walk away]

9. Like I said...we have a sense of reality....nt

[c588415]

12. I concur, Hillaray is the Dems best chance for 2016.

Just like Pres. Obama, Hillary will govern left of center.


Pres. Hillary Rodham Clinton 2016!

[BlueDemKev]

13. Amen!

[SheilaT]

20. No, she is not.

And to nominate her would be a truly awful mistake.

[Walk away]

48. Good luck with that. It's a popular opinion here but most Democrats...

and Independents feel differently.

[c588415]

61. Well if Hillary is not your choice for prez,

who is your choice?

[Beacool]

38. LOL!!!

[Walk away]

3. Yet in the real world it's Clintom 92% and Warren 8%....

Clinton stands at an eye-popping 73 percent in a hypothetical 2016 primary race with Biden, the sitting vice president, who is the only other candidate in double digits at 12 percent. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has signed a letter along with a handful of other Democratic senators urging Clinton to run, is at 8 percent. And that's it.

That lead is almost three times as large as the one Clinton enjoyed in Post-ABC polling in December 2006, the first time we asked the 2008 Democratic presidential primary ballot question

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/30/hillary-clinton-is-the-biggest-frontrunner-for-the-democratic-presidential-nomination-ever-yes-ever/

[2pooped2pop]

6. Warren is just my dream ticket

I know she is not yet in a place to win, or perhaps even run. Maybe her and Grayson, lol. Would love it. Not gonna happen but would love it.

[Beacool]

8. Yeah, but DU is not the real world.

It's some alternate world where Hillary is not popular with Democrats.

[Walk away]

10. And let's not forget all of those Independents for Warren...

there must be at least two or three of them!

[Beacool]

11. I like Warren.

I think that she's becoming a very good senator, but that doesn't mean that I think that she's ready to handle the presidency. Besides, she doesn't appear to be interested in the job. Then again, maybe Hillary won't want it either.

[elzenmahn]

16. Oh, Hillary wants it...

...and in all honesty, given the rogue's gallery on the Right, she'll probably get it.

I'd vote for her. But she's too corporate for my tastes.

[Beacool]

39. The Democratic party better hope that she wants it.

This won't be like 2008 when almost any Democrat would have won the WH after the Bush years, two wars and the economic collapse. Obama right now is underwater in the polls. We'll see how this affects the 2014 midterms. By 2016, voters may be almost as tired of Democrats as they were of Republicans in 2008.

So, who do they think are viable candidates around here? Mostly people who may be good at their current job, but have a slim to none chance to win in a national election.

[Walk away]

49. It's not about liking. My personal beliefs are more in line with Warren's...

But even if by some miracle she could win a general election I have serious doubts about her being able to govern. Governing takes a whole different set of skills and an ability to wield power that Warren seems to have very little experience with. I'm tired of Democrats winning the battle and then losing the war because they can't play the game.

[Beacool]

50. In all fairness to Warren, neither did Obama in 2008.

That's one of several reasons why I preferred Hillary. I felt that she could handle Congress. Hillary knew some of these people since her years in the WH. She also had forged a good working relationship with her colleagues, even those who had voted to impeach her husband. I remember one instance when Sam Brownback publicly apologized to her at a breakfast prayer meeting for all the nasty things he had said about both Clintons. I also think that Hillary could have been like LBJ when she needed to be and like Bill other times. Anyone who knows her well can tell you that she can be very charming, but that she's tough as nails when needed (much tougher than Bill). She's also not afraid to delve into the mud and fling it like a pro, which is something that seems to go against Obama's personality. I still insist, that in the presidency just as in any other job, experience DOES matter.

Besides, we will still have a divided Congress in 2016. The House will remain in the GOP's hands and it looks like we may lose some senators in the midterms (Lord help us if it goes Republican). What makes anyone here think that a Warren or Sanders could get anything more than a Hillary or Obama?

[MannyGoldstein]

28. "urging Clinton to run"

Can you link to the letter, please? Thanks.

[SheilaT]

54. In 1990, after the first Gulf War,

George HW Bush had an approval rating of 90% or more. It was so obvious to the casual observer that he was going to win in 1992, that all the Democrats who had any kind of a chance quietly withdrew from any plans to run for President.

Remember Bush's second term? How amazing it was and what he accomplished?

What? He didn't win a second term? What happened?

My point is, that the common wisdom is often wrong. Very wrong. I find it beyond scary that the common wisdom is that Hillary is Inevitable in 2016, and that because of that CW, no one is thinking very hard about any other possibilities. I can only hope that someone else will actually come along and blow us all away with his/her qualifications and become our next President.

What is also missed in all this Hillary deification is how incredibly polarizing she is, how she will inspire the many on the other side who truly hate her, to trash her terribly.

[Chan790]

62. "she will inspire the many on the other side who truly hate her, to trash her terribly."

To say nothing of those on this side who hate her just as much. She's an incredibly polarizing figure, one that will almost certainly not be able to hold her polling lead for the length of the race.

The mental image of a piñata comes to mind. Everybody's going to take a wack at Hillary for the length of the primaries and the general election; the cumulative damage means her nomination will almost certainly hand the WH to the GOP.

Do America a favor...crush Hillary's Presidential aspirations. Nominate someone that can win.

[SheilaT]

71. "Nominate someone that can win."

My sentiments exactly.

[spin]

7. No more Clintons and definitely no more Bushes. (n/t)

[rbrnmw]

14. Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders

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we need to restore humanity in America on so many levels I realize it will take years to fix everything that was broken by the greedy heartless corporate sponsored politicians

[840high]

46. ....^

[Oldenuff]

17. Not Hillary...please.

Not that anyone will listen to us.

We will end up having her foisted upon us...and then directed to support her as the nominee...you know,the old "be a good Dem and support the candidate that you really didn't want to have anything to do with" ploy.

sickening.

[Beacool]

40. No one in the party will listen for the simple reason that she's popular

with the majority of the party (including those who called themselves liberal). DU is not the real world.

[AverageMe]

81. If not Hillary, then WHO??

Everyone who has been mentioned in this thread has said they are not running. Biden is too connected to Obama. That fellow from Montana would be a good VP candidate, but not for president. There are a lot of women out there who think their time has come. Who else is there who could be a candidate with any chance of winning and changing the SC, so that Citizen United can be overturned..

[blkmusclmachine]

18. NOT Queen Blue Dog.

[Jamaal510]

19. I voted NH,

but I still can't help but be amazed at how different the results are in this poll compared to polls outside of this and other progressive sites. In the outside world, Hillary has obviously been polling very strongly among Democrats. I almost don't know what to believe.

[2pooped2pop]

35. maybe because this poll doesn't name a contender

but is just a Hillary or not, poll. If there was another name against her, then people would be deciding between her one specific other.

[Beacool]

41. It's because DU is an alternate world.

I've noticed that since I joined in 2007. It only represents a small faction of like thinking people. To me, it's the equivalent of the Tea Party of the Left.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Here's why Hillary should be President:

C'mon folks, let's build a list of Hillary's accomplishments that show why she should be President!

[Enthusiast]

22. You start.

[hrmjustin]

24. She was a senator and SOS.

[MannyGoldstein]

25. What great legislation did she initiate as Senator?

What fights did she win? How did she stand out from her fellow senators?

As SoS, what diplomatic successes did she have?

[hrmjustin]

26. About the same amount as Warren, Obama, and Sanders.

As Sos she helped I believe Burma transition to democracy.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. Warren created the CFPB, beat

a popular incumbent to become Senator, and is on the front line of trying to reverse government of, by, and for the bankers.

What equivalents are in in Hillary's background?

[hrmjustin]

31. Has she gotten legislation passed? I am asking because I don't know.

[Beacool]

42. No, she hasn't.

[hrmjustin]

43. Thanks. That does not mean I don't like her but...

[Beacool]

44. I like her too.

But I think that Hillary is ready to handle all aspects of the presidency, while Warren wasn't even a politician until she ran for the Senate. She's an economist, that's her niche. It's not that easy to get legislation passed. Any given senator can rail against something, but that doesn't mean that their proposals will ever become a bill and let alone that it will pass.

[hrmjustin]

45. Agreed! I think Hillary would be the better candidate and president.

[Chan790]

63. So she's less qualified than Adlai Stevenson was? n/t

[hrmjustin]

64. Do you think she is qualified? I do.

[Chan790]

66. I do not.

Admittedly, I am biased. She was my Senator.

[hrmjustin]

67. She was mine as well. Who is qualified?

[Chan790]

68. No idea at this point.

Greatness reveals itself. Disqualification is absolute.

Nobody else has to be more-qualified for her to be not-qualified based on her positions and past actions.

Further, I think she's incapable of winning.

(Also, I think losers should go away. Forever.)

[hrmjustin]

69. I think she will be the next president.

[joshcryer]

73. She was first to call out the right wing conspiracy.

But since we've been over this, I'll just leave you with this link: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/13/schoen-wrong-on-hillary-clintons-state-tenure/197263

You should watch it going forward if she is the nominee. Pulling the "what accomplishments" card will be very detrimental to your ability to continue posting here as it is an inherently right wing talking point and you can expect it in the debates.

[hrmjustin]

23. Love Hillary!

[beachbum bob]

27. I will not let the Whitehouse be ceded to the GOP in 2016

Hillary is unbeatable

no other Democrat exists that we can say that on.

[RKP5637]

33. That's pretty much my thought too at this time. n/t

[2pooped2pop]

36. the problem though is

that Hillary has already been thrown out there by everyone but Hillary. People are deciding on running by "if Hillary runs or not" I think she will be forced upon us and there is no one that can come up with enough money to even try to beat her.

and if there was any year that another dem could also win, it will be this race while the republicans have no one, but lots of billionaire cash to buy lies on tv with.

I'm not saying I am outright against Hillary, I just think it has already been decided for us, and that bothers me.

[Chan790]

65. We're fucked then because my main opposition to her is that she's a dead-lock to lose.

You can't get better odds in a one-horse horserace than the certainty that Hillary can't win the Presidency.

[BenzoDia]

29. I'll vote Hillary if she gets the nomination. However,

some of Bill's recent campaigning for her has me hoping for someone else.

His criticisms of the ACA and insistence on "both sides" needing to compromise has me a little worried.

edit:
Oh yeah him pushing Obama for action in Syria bothered me as well.

[Laelth]

34. I'll let my signature do the talking here. n/t

-Laelth

[left is right]

37. A Hillary (or for that matter a Warren) victory in 2016 flies against the typical reaction to change

Obama in 2008 was a big change. We elected and reelected our first Black President. That was a big change for the vast majority of Americans. In 2016, these voters will want a more conventional choice, aka a white man. The typical voter will need a while (maybe as little as 4 years, but quite possibly as much as 12) to assess the effects of “newness”. They will have to have the time to come to the realization that electing a Black man didn’t lead to catastrophe, then they can start the process of thinking about a woman for President.

[bigwillq]

47. Not Hillary.

I won't vote for her in the primary or the GE.

[Beacool]

51. Buck up!!!

Do you think that some of us didn't hold our nose in 2008?????? Consider a McCain or Romney presidency with Palin as VP. Do you think that they would have been a better option than Obama?

It's a tough world, we can't all get our wish all the time. Your thinking is selfish. A candidate doesn't pass your purity test, therefore you will help to inflict the candidate of the opposing party on the rest of us?

[TheKentuckian]

59. Interesting...what policy positions had you reaching for the clothespins?

It seems like like there wasn't enough differences in positions to have to hold noses over them either direction.

[bigwillq]

83. Your vote will cancel out mine and we will all live happily ever after (nt)

[gopiscrap]

52. She is defintiely not my first choice

(Warren/Sanders would be mine, but if she gets the nomination I am sure as hell going to work for her!

[Whisp]

53. Not. Just like I would never have supported Reagen or Thatcher or Mulroney

Never.

Same spots they all have.

[JoePhilly]

55. How'd this work out for the "Not-Romney" candidates?

[Rowdyboy]

56. As in every election since 1972 I will support the Democratic nominee

If that's Clinton, fine. If not, fine. Unlike some others here I am a Democrat and support my parties nominee proudly.

[brooklynite]

57. "I don't think she can win. But damn, she would be great. "

So you're prepared to lose on all of your principle, instead of win on some of them?

[2pooped2pop]

58. wtf?

try not to analyze me, just do the poll or don't do the poll.

[brooklynite]

60. Golly, I thought this was a discussion board...

...you indicated that it would be great if Warren ran, even though you don't know if she can win. I consider that a minor issue, don't you?

[2pooped2pop]

74. liking Warren does not seem to be an issue to me

I often like someone who I don't think can win at the time.

[brooklynite]

75. ...but you want her to run, even though she can't win.

[2pooped2pop]

79. I wouldn't expect her to run unless it looked like she had a chance

I wouldn't want her to waste her chance. I guess I should have been clearer but I didn't think I needed details for this poll. My dream ticket would still include her, and yes, I would want her to run, if I thought it was viable. I don't think it is, yet.

[Hekate]

70. GOTV 2014, then come back and talk to me about a campaign that has not launched yet. nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

72. There was no more enthusiastic collaborator with Bush and Cheney than Hillary Clinton

Why not ask me if I would vote for Joe Lieberman?

[yourout]

76. Only as a last resort. The Presidency should not be an oligarchy.

Enough with the Bushes and Clintons.

[CFLDem]

77. Hillary/Warren 2016!!!

There is no better choice.

[Ian David]

78. I'd prefer Barbara Boxer, Elizabeth Warren, or Al Franken, but Hillary is good, too.

So, I guess that makes me a yes for Hillary?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

80. Is there a (D) behind her name?

If so, I'm good to go.

[Splinter Cell]

82. NOT

She won't get my vote.

[stevenleser]

84. It's going to be really satisfying to pull the lever for Hillary and to have her win. nt

[hamsterjill]

85. I'm for Hillary.

I've not yet seen a candidate stand up to the fire the way that I've seen Hillary Clinton do it. She handles the pressures better than anyone else I've ever seen. In my opinion, she deserves her shot.

[FSogol]

86. Why not dicuss who is running in the 2014 midterms in your district/state?

That's much more important than mental masturbation over 2016.

GOTV

[antigop]

87. because Third Way sycophants need to spread the "inevitability" meme and

the "She can win" meme.