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Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:18 PM

Bernie Sanders tells Ed Schultz: Southern Democrats are tired of being abandoned by the party

Bernie Sanders tells Ed Schultz: Southern Democrats are tired of being abandoned by the party

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) made the case for a broader progressive push in an interview with MSNBC host Ed Schultz on Friday, saying his recent sojourn into southern states showed him there was still a Democratic base in a region usually known for supporting Republicans.

“I’ve been meeting with unionists, independents, progressive Democrats,” Sanders explained via satellite from Columbia, South Carolina. “And they are tired of being abandoned by the national Democratic party. They want some help, and they believe that with some help they can start winning in these conservative states.”

One cause for concern, Sanders explained to Schultz, was seeing many white, working-class voters in “low-income states” like Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina voting against their own best interest.

“These are guys getting hung up on gay marriage issues,” Sanders told Schultz. “They’re getting hung up on abortion issues. And it is time we started focusing on the economic issues that bring us together: Defending Social Security, defending Medicare, making sure that Medicaid is not cut, that veterans’ programs are not cut.”

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Full article here: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/18/bernie-sanders-tells-ed-schultz-southern-democrats-are-tired-of-being-abandoned-by-the-party/

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Reply Bernie Sanders tells Ed Schultz: Southern Democrats are tired of being abandoned by the party (Original post)
Tx4obama Oct 2013 OP
Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #1
pnwmom Oct 2013 #5
IrishAyes Oct 2013 #7
Cha Oct 2013 #2
pscot Oct 2013 #3
DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #9
pscot Oct 2013 #10
DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #12
Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #14
DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #16
Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #19
Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #26
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #31
Left Coast2020 Oct 2013 #24
BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #33
DFW Oct 2013 #43
BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #47
zeemike Oct 2013 #13
DFW Oct 2013 #48
freshwest Oct 2013 #4
ajk2821 Oct 2013 #6
DeSwiss Oct 2013 #8
AdHocSolver Oct 2013 #11
bvar22 Oct 2013 #41
TrollBuster9090 Oct 2013 #15
Tx4obama Oct 2013 #21
TrollBuster9090 Oct 2013 #37
libdem4life Oct 2013 #42
Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #46
GatorOrange Oct 2013 #17
TexasTowelie Oct 2013 #18
Crowman1979 Oct 2013 #20
Tx4obama Oct 2013 #23
Crowman1979 Oct 2013 #38
Change has come Oct 2013 #22
AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #25
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #30
klook Oct 2013 #34
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #40
lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #27
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #28
Tx4obama Oct 2013 #29
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #32
Name removed Oct 2013 #35
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #39
Tx4obama Oct 2013 #44
Laelth Oct 2013 #36
Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #45

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:29 PM

1. Will Sanders convince some Democrats here on DU?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:54 PM

5. Helping progressive Dems does not mean denying the fact

that the tea party is a bigger force in Southern politics than it is elsewhere in the country. In fact, the opposite is the case. If we can fight the tea party in its stronghold, we can destroy its power everywhere.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:08 PM

7. As I keep saying, northern Dems will be a lot more supportive when those in the south,

the ones in denial (not the clear-eyed hard workers) stop whining about being 'victimized' by those damnYankee bullies. Cuts both ways, I'm sayin'. Some of that abandonment has been for good cause. Nobody can walk up and throw the chamber pot at somebody, then demand support from that person. Life doesn't work that way and it shouldn't.

Maybe Bernie Sanders can do something with them.

That said, kudos to the true champions of liberalism in the South, the ones who don't look down their noses at allegedly limo libs just because of where WE come from.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:34 PM

2. Talk to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, right?

Glad this is coming out.. thanks Sen Sanders

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:39 PM

3. Bring back Howard Dean

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Response to pscot (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:15 PM

9. and bring back the 50-state strategy. . .

. . .which includes every county, every district, etc.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:19 PM

10. And Damn Rahm Emmanuel

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Response to pscot (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:33 PM

12. F him. He's only the mayor of Chicago now. . .

. . .and no longer in a position to meddle with local elections nationwide.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:20 AM

14. The problem with the 50 state strategy...

Which many liberal DUers don't want to admit, is that for it to function, non-liberal Democrats probably have to succeed in conservative states. We badmouth DINOs and yet, 2006 saw a wave of success because of them (or in part). The 50 state strategy works - if you're willing to embrace moderates and semi-conservatives that are the only viable candidates in many parts of the country.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:26 AM

16. I concur, and AFAIC, the "worst" Democrat is still a thousand

times better than the best Republican.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:31 AM

19. Definitely agree...

I'd take giving Pelosi back her gavel if it meant we got some DINOs. Look at all the shit we accomplished from 2009-2011. Now compare that to 2011-2013. Yeah.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:24 AM

26. Let's just elect ALL DEMs in 49 states and the Centrists and DixieCrats (Bernie I in VT excepted)

The less progressive of our party will balance US out keep things level headed.

Just shut out the reThugs in all 50 so we can get some work done.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:55 AM

31. Hammer meet nail! The purity police would have a conniption fit!

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:13 AM

24. Well, Howard is...kinda

But in the state Houses.

Don't have time to look for link here, but DFA is apparently going after state races to fix the F'd up districts that were gerrymandered to hell and back.

Dean even said so.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:31 AM

33. + 1 million or so!

Howard and Bernie both "get" it. When Dean's strategy was in effect, not only did Dems win the WH but also BOTH Houses of Congress.

Dean believed in building up the Dem networks in ALL states. Until that happens consistently, mediocrity will reign because mediocrity is VERY well financed by RW organizations.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:25 PM

43. Howard STILL believes that.

He told me at the beginning of the year that his (and DFA's) first and foremost top priority was making sure Ken Koochicrazy did NOT become governor of Virginia. He and Jim both said they would dedicate a huge effort on the ground to recapture the Virginia governorship, and so far, it looks like things are turning out well. I can't say to what extent this is DFA's doing, but Virginia was a high priority.

You can all guess which governor's mansion is the next priority in their purple-to-blue campaign. If it's not clear, just think of the most prominent abortion rights speech in a southern legislature in recent memory.

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Response to DFW (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:05 AM

47. Thank heavens for Dems like Howard

and also people like the Wellstones, who keep Paul's memory alive in their information and training efforts!

They all understand that it's not just election years that count, nor simply national offices and officeholders, but the constant and consistent building up of grassroots organizations at local and state levels such as those that evangelical churches have been intentionally building upon since the 1960s - at least. All under the cover of the First Amendment.

All that people like the Kochs have had to do is simply to provide funding for already-existent groups.

Once the corporate MSM and mainstream Republicans started embracing the most radical groups that - to their credit - mainstream Republicans had not really embraced before the Raygun years, that gave the wackos the credibility they had been seeking. As we have all seen since, there is no limit to their wacko-ishness!





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Response to pscot (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:51 PM

13. That is exactly what I thought.

The 50 state stratigy...do not abandon the south.

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Response to pscot (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 20, 2013, 07:52 AM

48. Howard doesn't need to be brought back. He never left

When Rahm Emmanuel shut him out of the Obama administration, I asked Howard what he would do. He said he'd lend his name to some firm for some steady income and spend the rest of his time raising hell for causes he believed in. From human slavery trafficking in Thailand to the governor's race in Virginia, he has been true to his word.

He still does the occasional talk show, and he is still, after all this time, the straightest talker on any of the talk shows, but that is mainly because he remains one of the most articulate people they can get, AND he has nothing to lose. He's not running for anything, so no one can play "gotcha" with Howard. He knows this, and is having a great time. Any Republican ammunition used on him is wasted on shooting at a ghost. But in the background, Howard and his brother Jim have been transforming DFA into a serious on-the-ground force of dedicated campaign workers who go out into areas where dedicated ground staff can make a big difference. They call their movement "purple-to-blue," and it does good work.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:45 PM

4. Keep up the good work, Bernie!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:11 PM

8. K&R

Bernie Sanders tells Ed Schultz: Southern Democrats are tired of being abandoned by the party

- /fixed

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:32 PM

11. Talk "meat and potatoes" economics that the average person can understand.

Discussing meaningless graphs and charts that few people can relate to turns people off.

Talking about economic trends in terms of how they affect the stock market is premised on supply side (trickle down) economics.

The real economy is driven by demand which depends on the number of jobs (a high employment rate), and the general level of wages.

Progressive unions that actually work to help their members are good for the economy. They keep wages high and protect the workers against unsafe working conditions and economic abuse.

Single payer health insurance reduces costs and allows people to have affordable health care independent of what kind of job they have, and independent of whom they work for.

Explain to people, in terms that they can understand, how health care costs are higher in the U.S. than in countries that have universal health care, and at the same time, even simple medical remedies are denied to millions of Americans because of excessive costs.

Insanity has been defined as doing the same action over and over again and expecting a different result. Democrats are guilty of this same mentality in their politicking just as is the electorate that votes against their own interest.


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Response to AdHocSolver (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:25 PM

41. I agree.

A charismatic, Populist, Progressive Democrat that sticks to Economic Justice for Working Americans (like Huey Long),
can WIN anywhere.

The Republican Lites in our Party created the MYTH that only a Republican Lite can win in Red States.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:23 AM

15. I'm a 4th generation Pacific Northwest Yankee, and I have three words for the South haters:

Johnson
Clinton
Gore

With VIRGINIA about to flip BLUE this year, and with TEXAS set to flip blue in a few years, this is no time to be abandoning the South.

I understand that it's an effective election strategy to turn moderate voters against the GOP by shining the spotlight on the craziest southerners you can find, like Cruz, Gohmert and Paul. But there is a way you can do this WITHOUT alienating any of the GOOD folks in the south. (You know....the ones who STARTED the Civil Rights Movement?)

While vilifying the crackpot wing of Southern politics, SIMULTANEOUSLY HIGHLIGHT THE POSITIVE SOUTHERN ROLL MODELS like LBJ, CLINTON, GORE, and WES CLARK. Make every Southerner want to emulate THEM, and let them know that they DON'T have to follow the negative southern stereotypes.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:50 AM

21. Also: Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Wendy Davis, Julian Castro, Joaquín Castro, etc. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:05 AM

37. Not to mention Ed Shultz HIMSELF. (Talk about irony.) nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:24 PM

42. Thanks for including the Castros. The Left's Hispanic answer, times 2, to Cruz

Born in Texas, smart, Stanford/Harvard educated, personally engaging, young, politically savvy, worked their way up, single mother, solid left (even liberal) credentials with actual Resumes of political accomplishments and commitments. This all applies to both of them.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:21 PM

46. One thing I'd note, though...

Virginia isn't turning blue because we're winning over the votes of people who are culturally southern, it's turning blue because of the DC suburbs and exurbs in northern Virginia that have a lot of northern transplants. Texas is turning blue because of the Latino vote.

So, while I agree that it's great that these places are turning blue, they're not turning blue because we've been successful in our outreach to the type of voters Sanders is talking about. They're turning blue in spite of our failure to reach out to those people.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:28 AM

17. 50 State Strategy is key. All levels from city/county to state/federal need to be fought for.

Look at Alan Grayson's initial district in Deep Red Florida where I live....

It had solid ties to Bill McCullum (One of the Clinton impeachment gurus and a GOP clown if there ever was one).

Ric Keller came next and held that seat throughout the Dubya nightmare years...

Alan Grayson comes into that district and takes it over in 2008 using a mix of blunt liberalism, good campaigning, and steady ads to match the competition. Loses it in 2010 but made such a name for himself in the area that he was able to get elected in a nearby district in 2012 and the rest is history.

None of that happens without Alan Grayson fighting tooth and nail in a "hopeless Red area". We need to give Democrats in similar areas all we got like Grayson did here. To ignite hope that the GOP can be taken down despite the odds.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:30 AM

18. Texas gladly accepts any help we can get from the national party

and we pledge to do our best to rid ourselves of the repugnants.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:48 AM

20. People seem to forget all of the blue counties within the Southern states.

Except for Oklahoma, which is pretty well f***ed as far as a Democratic party candidate winning in the next election.

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:05 AM

23. There are a lot of folks that don't even know about how many blue counties there are in the South


I hear folks online often say about Texas that all the Democrats are in Austin.
Yes there are a bunch of Democrats in Austin but that is NOT the only place.

In 2008 and 2012 Obama won the majority of Texas' largest cities/counties: Austin/Travis, Dallas/Dallas, Houston/Harris, El Paso, San Antonio, etc.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:39 AM

38. Obama also had Birmingham, Montgomery and all of the black belt counties in Alabama as well.

In Macon county (where Tuskegee University is located), Obama won by 87%.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:04 AM

22. K&R

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:23 AM

25. This says it all

Obama / Romney vote map. Notice how much blue and purple in the South. The Reddest areas of the country are actually in the Great Plains and around Utah.

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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:54 AM

30. Compare and contrast...

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:57 AM

34. Very interesting, thanks

On a trip to California once, my wife and I (both from the Deep South) saw a rare Black couple in a restaurant and she said "I feel at home now."

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Response to klook (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:19 PM

40. When I travel cross country I notice all the hotel maids are Latino until Texas then they're black..

It's no wonder when you look at the demographics why they deny the vote and jail for trivial things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_Pilgrimage_for_Freedom

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:40 AM

27. Hell yeah. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:33 AM

28. Thought I'd post the video....

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:36 AM

29. Thanks. Good job :)


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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:08 AM

32. There have to be strong grassroots in the red states. Speaking as a southerner.....

never underestimate the hatred of dirt poor white folks, who despise middle class people of color, because they feel somehow, they're more deserving. Add that to the gay issue, and it's a recipe for teabagger dominance. It's a real and palpable phenomenon, no matter what Bernie thinks.

Drive through any trailer park, and there are signs that they're still fighting the civil war here. Sadly, they're easily exploited by sheisters who insinuate that their lives suck because of black, brown & gay people.

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Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:01 PM

39. Welcome to DU

good analysis!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:54 PM

44. Wecome to DU. I hope you enjoy your time here with us :)



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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:19 AM

36. Thank you, Senator Sanders. k&r n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:59 PM

45. Bernie gets it, always does. Especially with the added benefits of ACA, we

have an opportunity to focus on what we can do as a party that Republicans
will never do. Bring jobs and health care..they need to educate those that
do not agree for social reasons, no one is forced to have an abortion and
no one says you need to agree with gay marriage/equality to vote Democratic Party.

Republicans need a bullet list, pros and cons...voting Republican will get you nothing,
unless you're a fat cat business schmuck seeking to out source more jobs.




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