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Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

John Kerry as SOS is becoming an total idiot

That's my opinion a guy who didnt support Nam is now beating the drums of war in Syria. And then makes comments like he wouldn't rule out putting troops in Syria. Limited my ass

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Reply John Kerry as SOS is becoming an total idiot (Original post)
bigdarryl Sep 2013 OP
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #1
truebluegreen Sep 2013 #3
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #6
truebluegreen Sep 2013 #10
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #11
truebluegreen Sep 2013 #12
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #27
wisteria Sep 2013 #22
rug Sep 2013 #19
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #28
rug Sep 2013 #36
Scootaloo Sep 2013 #26
phleshdef Sep 2013 #2
mgcgulfcoast Sep 2013 #4
Peregrine Took Sep 2013 #5
DhhD Sep 2013 #7
karynnj Sep 2013 #23
bigdarryl Sep 2013 #8
truebluegreen Sep 2013 #13
Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #9
polichick Sep 2013 #14
karynnj Sep 2013 #24
polichick Sep 2013 #34
karynnj Sep 2013 #39
polichick Sep 2013 #43
blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #15
hollowdweller Sep 2013 #16
Rex Sep 2013 #17
Carolina Sep 2013 #18
davidpdx Sep 2013 #20
wisteria Sep 2013 #21
Cha Sep 2013 #25
VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #29
Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #32
karynnj Sep 2013 #41
FSogol Sep 2013 #37
NYC Liberal Sep 2013 #44
MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #30
Sunlei Sep 2013 #31
ellenrr Sep 2013 #33
karynnj Sep 2013 #40
djg21 Sep 2013 #35
Tippy Sep 2013 #38
Arkana Sep 2013 #42

Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:06 PM

1. Perhaps he knows something you don't know?

calling him an idiot for having an opposing view than you says alot more about you than it does him.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:14 PM

3. Or maybe, as part of his job description,

he's had more KoolAid.

Not seeing the limits of military might--especially after the Adventures of the last decade--says more than anything.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:26 PM

6. but see...you apparently are against any military action anywhere anytime..

which is not in line with most American's views whether or not they agree with this one

so perhaps it is you who drank some koolaid.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:49 PM

10. You don't know diddly-squat about me or, I'll wager, "most Americans".

Nice try though.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

11. and I will wager you don't know diddly squat about John Kerry...

but yeah...I do know "most Americans" pretty well...I am rarely wrong about them.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:11 PM

12. I've been an admirer of the man for years. Followed his career. Respected him.

I've even been something approaching a neighbor, and I've actually met him twice. Which is a large part of the reason I am so disappointed in him now.

But I'm sure you know much more about both Kerry and "most Americans" than I could ever hope to.

Not.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:45 AM

27. Because it turns out he isn't a total pacifist? Did he lose his "dove wings" in your eyes?

Wow...you "met Kerry" and apparently most Americans too....so impressed

Not.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:50 AM

22. You're rather easy to figure out.

And, your no conflicts at any time views have been in the minority many times in America.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:55 PM

19. "I know something you don't know!" may be persuasive in elemenatary school.

It's not on matters of war.

So there, nyah nyah!

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Response to rug (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:47 AM

28. the Secretary of State....probably DOES know a few things that YOU don't know...

the world doesn't revolve around you...

so there, nyah nyah!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 09:52 AM

36. Then he should state what it is he knows, not simply say "I know and you don't."

This is a company composed of citizens, not bureaucrats.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:40 AM

26. It's not a matter of opinion. He's the secretary of state, it's a matter of POLICY.

And if he knows something I don't know, then fucking so what? Secret evidence is not evidence.

Good lord. Tell you what. You're desperate to blow shit up in Syria, I'm sure al-Nusrah is recruiting.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:14 PM

2. You really shouldn't call someone an idiot if you can't even get the grammar right...

...while calling said person a total idiot.

I'm serious, grammar Nazism is normally something I don't engage in, but its like teabaggers with "Make anglish the offical language" signs up in here.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:17 PM

4. all of a sudden he is a war hawk.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:21 PM

5. But now he's a multi millionaire and we all must obey him!

Ed said he sounded a tad p.o'd today as he expected us all to fall right in line!

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:38 PM

7. Now Kerry clarifies that no boots will be on the ground with this bombing authorization in Syria.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:55 AM

23. He clarified it immediately after saying it

He answered a hypothetical question of whether anything could lead to wanting any boots on the ground. He then said that was not what was intended and they should close the door on that (in the resolution), He later even more strongly closed the door on it when speaking to Corker. The issue came up again was when Cardin spoke of limiting that.

I am listening to the hearing now and the sense is totally different than the excerpts suggest. http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/the-authorization-of-use-of-force-in-syria

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:58 PM

8. Some here are hypricrical because if this was SOS Rice

Saying the exact same think you know damn well you all would be against it

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:11 PM

13. Egzactly!

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 06:09 PM

9. Kerry sounds like Condi Rice.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:46 PM

14. He sure can forget ever running for president again.

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Response to polichick (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:56 AM

24. He doesn't intend to - he is 69 years old and Teresa is 74.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 09:01 AM

34. I watched it. The hearing was a grand display of hubris.

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Response to polichick (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:56 AM

39. I obviously disagree

What I saw was people like Barbara Boxer speaking of the need to do something. I wish that there was more international pressure to force Assad to give up any remaining chemical weapons he has. If this possibility existed, it would be the most direct way to accomplish exactly the goal that is spoken of. However, that could happen only if the countries supporting Syria - not us - demanded it.

I think we are in a situation where two principles that I think most Democrats believe in collide - one that you cannot look aside when evil is happening (think of people who ask about why no one stopped Rwanda's massacre, Pol Pot (until Vietnam did), or even the Holocaust. ) and the belief that war is not the answer (where some add - unless it is a last resort ).

This is before anything geopolitical is considered.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:58 AM

43. I just think it's obvious that the U.S. is much more willing to confront evil...

in regions where the mic can eventually haul in oil profits than in regions where nobody cashes in.

I also think it should be illegal for members of Congress to be invested in mic corporations.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 09:45 PM

15. He was for it before he was against it.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 09:53 PM

16. Kerry

I thought he made a mistake supporting the Iraq war in 2004 and again now.

I had tremendous respect for him before 2004.

I have high hopes for him as SOS, although actually think Biden would be a better one if he was not VP.

Here's hoping this is the LOW point.

Sad though that really about the only reason we are doing what's right and not rushing to war is the GOP will oppose anything Obama does.

Really wish it would set a precedent for a higher bar for the US to jump before it uses military force.

However like their deathbed conversion to fiscal restraint that happens when ever a dem is in office the GOP will return to unquestioning of use of force once one of their own re takes the White House. Although that may be a long time if current trends continue.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:38 PM

17. I quit paying attention to the swiftboaters on Kerry.

They still seem to be alive and well.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:47 PM

18. K&R

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:28 PM

20. Criticize Kerry all you want, but you should do it constructively

But calling him an idiot lowers the level of discourse on DU and doesn't say much for your ability to persuade others.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:45 AM

21. Not all conflicts are the same. Some are actually justified.

And, I will listen to SOS Kerry on this matter rather than you. Kerry has years of foreign policy experience. He has also tried to work out a diplomatic solution with Assad, meeting with him several times. SOS Kerry, if you really knew and understood him, would never suggest exercising force without first trying other means to end discourse and conflict. He is concerned about the security of the US and feels strongly that the human rights violations need to be answered to. So, in other words, he carries a heavy weight on his shoulders. I would surmise that your burdens pale in comparison to SOS Kerry's, and your very derogatory comparison simply makes you look the idiot.

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Response to wisteria (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:28 AM

25. +1

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Response to wisteria (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:50 AM

29. Here Here!

What HE said!

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Response to wisteria (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 08:47 AM

32. So you also supported W's invasion of Iraq to rescue the yellowcake WMDs?

John Kerry sure did, he promoted it and spoke of the imminent threat and did the exact same set of theatrics he's doing now. So those of you who were so hyper eager to Shock and Awe and destroy Bagdad were pretty damned wrong about it. I assume you supported that Kerry promoted war as well, you'd never dare to disagree with a man with such burdened shoulders!!!!

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:33 AM

41. "Don't rush to war" and "It is not now a war of last resort" are promoting the war, Who knew?

Apparently David Frum, former Bush speechwriter, was as incapable of understanding Kerry's real enthusiasm, when he wrote a piece in the National Review in February 2003, where he bemoaned the fact that for Kerry, it would never be time to go to war -- and spoke of how slow the Bush path had been. (Here is BLM's long ago post of that op-ed - which NR took off their web site before 2004 for political reasons. - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3358606 Thanks, BLM!

Kerry spent all of 2003 and 2004 explaining that his vote was to give Bush more leverage in international negotiations - because as he said then and recently - the US is stronger when the President has the support of Congress. He also did in his speech list Bush's public statements of what he intended to do and said he would speak out if he did not keep these commitments - and he did. Kerry himself has said his vote was wrong, but your description of his position is completely inaccurate.

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Response to wisteria (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:10 AM

37. +100 n/t

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Response to wisteria (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:04 PM

44. Yet some people here bashed Kerry for meeting with Assad,

at the same time (falsly) crying that no attempt at diplomacy had happened.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:12 AM

30. K&R

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:59 AM

31. Duties of the Secretary of State

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 08:54 AM

33. yes, altho I would say he is inept in drumming up war, rather than idiot...

clearly his role is to drum up support.
which is hard, considering that his boss, one minute says 'limited option' and the next says, 'broader strategy'. altho he is a smart guy, apparently unaware that he has just contradicted himself.

so not surprising that Kerry completely contradicts himself in one paragraph:
"US Secretary of State John Kerry said tonight that a resolution in Congress on the use of military force in Syria should not remove the option of using US ground troops.

However, he stressed there was "no intention" of inserting American soldiers into Syria's civil war."

WTF?!

It seems like words mean what they want them to mean.

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Response to ellenrr (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:07 AM

40. He immediately corrected himself there - I watched the hearing

What happened is that in response to a Menendez question that asked for a hypothetical of when troops could ever be used - he spoke of if there were a CW cache that could fall into AQ hands. He then made the comment about military force. He then, said that was not the intent and he he wanted to "close the door tightly" on that -- and the resolution should not contain that provision. He later brought up wanting to tightly close the door on that to at least two Senators - explaining he was entertaining a hypothetical and this is NOT the policy. At one point even asking the media to note the correction (explanation). (Note that even in the hypothetical the goal was to secure weapons - not fight for a side in the civil war.)

I actually think he did a good job - WITH THE COMMITTEE. I think that the media - liking a story immediately jumped on something Kerry really should not have said -- even if it was honest. Kerry absolutely should not have given that response, but once he did - he corrected it in real time.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 09:49 AM

35. So he's a "total idiot" because you disagree with him?

The DU litmus test is amazing.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:47 AM

38. John Kerry is not an idiot never has been and never will be.

I expect many will get their fill of Crow...

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:39 AM

42. So there's no way that, with all the intelligence briefings he gets,

that he knows something you don't?

No, that can't be it. He must just be a lying warmongering asshole!

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