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Zadoc

(195 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:39 PM Apr 2012

POLL: Election 2012 - Is it over for Romney before it begun?

Vote: http://www.wepolls.com/p/9226353

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am looking at an ABC poll released on Monday that show's President Obama's personal favorability rating at 64%, not the 41%, which is his overall job approval. Romney, who so aptly points out that he is currently unemployed, has no job to be approved of. Romney's personal favorability ratings are currently 35% favorable, 41% unfavorable.

Further, I think that personal favorability is a more key factor than what is given credit for. In 2004 President Bush's job approval rating was lower than Kerry's favorability. However, Bush's personal favorability was much higher than Kerry's which is why he was reelected.

Same goes for election 2012. Monday's Fox News poll showed that people think Obama is more likely to tell the truth, smarter, and more optimistic. Monday's ABC poll showed that Obama is more trusted to create jobs, protect the middle class, and is better on social issues. Romney only edged out Obama on the economy and deficit.

America's not going to elect the guy who they who they don't think is honest or smart, and who they don't believe will create jobs and keep the country safe, even if they think that guy will marginally handle the economy better. That's what Obama's personal favorability shows that his job approval doesn't.

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POLL: Election 2012 - Is it over for Romney before it begun? (Original Post) Zadoc Apr 2012 OP
Yes and the truth is Andy823 Apr 2012 #1
agreed Zadoc Apr 2012 #2
There's plenty of reasons to be hopeful Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #3
Probably, but lets not get too lax. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #4
I remember 2000 and 2004 well... Zadoc Apr 2012 #7
There were plenty of liberals back in 2004 saying it was impossible for the country Daniel537 Apr 2012 #14
Im one of them. DCBob Apr 2012 #15
Remember Friends, this is the country that twice overwhelmingly elected a senile 3rd rate actor Wolf Frankula Apr 2012 #20
I concur. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #5
Still, we must play this in terms of being behind by 5 points. Dawson Leery Apr 2012 #6
Make that 10 points... tallahasseedem Apr 2012 #8
...and the billions that the republicans will get from the SuperPACs. AlinPA Apr 2012 #16
41% approval rating is lower than most other polls which now have Obama up in the high 40's WI_DEM Apr 2012 #9
don't forget the "disapproval" number still includes people who think he's not Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #22
I like to look at Real Clear Politics lacrew Apr 2012 #10
It'll be a land slide... Zadoc Apr 2012 #11
Don't forget that Romney will have billions from SuperPACs behind him. They can buy AlinPA Apr 2012 #17
R-Money got a boost due to the wrapping up of the Republican primaries. This is normal. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #12
I think it was just last night that CBS showed that their poll had the two rhett o rick Apr 2012 #13
Where the hell do they get this 41% approval rating?? center rising Apr 2012 #18
While I agree that this is Obama's to lose, WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #19
Here is the difference quaker bill Apr 2012 #21
I agree 100% I also will always believe Florida was rigged 100%. I will always wonder, back Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2012 #23

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
1. Yes and the truth is
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:51 PM
Apr 2012

His job approval has a whole lot to do with republicans blocking everything he tries to get down to hep the country, the people and the economy. If the republicans weren't trying to make sure he is a "one term president", which they have admitted to, his job approval ratings would be much higher.

As for Romney, hell his how party can't stand him, and it seems like those who would be on top of his VP list, Rubio and Thune for example, don't seem to want the job. I think any of the republicans who plan on running in 2016 will turn him down, at least of they don't want to be on the losing ticket this year.

Zadoc

(195 posts)
2. agreed
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:53 PM
Apr 2012
I think any of the republicans who plan on running in 2016 will turn him down...


Can't agree more. That's why he won't get a big ticket VP.
 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
4. Probably, but lets not get too lax.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:58 PM
Apr 2012

Remember 2000 and 2004. Plenty of "its over" back then as well. Fortunately Romney's path to 270 is pretty narrow so unless there's some kind of unexpected disturbance in the force, the race is Obama's to lose.

Zadoc

(195 posts)
7. I remember 2000 and 2004 well...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 02:46 PM
Apr 2012

And the only "it's over" moment in 2000 came when Florida was called for Gore, which was reversed hours later. The polling before election day had Bush winning the national popular vote. In 2004 we all knew it was coming down to the wire. The "it's over" moment came when Kerry lost Ohio.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
14. There were plenty of liberals back in 2004 saying it was impossible for the country
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:16 PM
Apr 2012

to make the same mistake twice with Dubya. A couple of searches here on DU or at Daily Kos will get many of those types of comments.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. Im one of them.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:51 PM
Apr 2012

I could not believe this country could re-electe that moron and war criminal. Its still boggles my mind.

Wolf Frankula

(3,595 posts)
20. Remember Friends, this is the country that twice overwhelmingly elected a senile 3rd rate actor
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:54 PM
Apr 2012

to the presidency. I remember 1980, and being confident the American people would never throw out an intelligent man like Carter for an imbecile like Reagan. We are still suffering from his actions. The money men want Willard. Be on your guard!

Wolf Frankula

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. don't forget the "disapproval" number still includes people who think he's not
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:09 PM
Apr 2012

liberal enough. Last time I saw that measured by cnn...it was 16% of the disapproval rate.

got to think this group would shift, at least in part, to actual votes.

 

lacrew

(283 posts)
10. I like to look at Real Clear Politics
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:19 PM
Apr 2012

Simply because it shows the average of a number of polls, and you can see the historical movement of these polls. Right now it shows Obama +2.2...in a tightening race....and none of this 'they are just trying to keep it close' stuff, these polls are all over the map; and, the the average cannot possibly be a 'planned' number.

These polls don't mean too much, IMHO, until after the first debate. Both candidates can expect a 'convention bump'...but the first debate will be a coming out party for Romney...alot of people know very little about him; and, it will be a make or break moment for him.

But it certainly isn't over already...and it will be far from a landslide. It is not humanly possible to run a campaign as poorly as McCain did...so I anticipate it will be closer than last time.

Zadoc

(195 posts)
11. It'll be a land slide...
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:16 PM
Apr 2012

Obama won't win as many states as in 2008, or as many votes, but it'll be a pretty crushing defeat for Romney.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
17. Don't forget that Romney will have billions from SuperPACs behind him. They can buy
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:08 PM
Apr 2012

a lot of volunteers and votes.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
12. R-Money got a boost due to the wrapping up of the Republican primaries. This is normal.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:21 PM
Apr 2012

If it's this close a week before the election, then I'll worry. It's simply too soon for doom and gloom or breaking out champagne bottles.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. I think it was just last night that CBS showed that their poll had the two
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:10 PM
Apr 2012

in a dead even tie at 46%. Who're you going to believe? (hint, not CBS)

center rising

(971 posts)
18. Where the hell do they get this 41% approval rating??
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
Apr 2012

If this number is true, then Obama is up shits creek without a paddle.

WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
19. While I agree that this is Obama's to lose,
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:27 PM
Apr 2012

I don't think Bush's personal favorability had anything to do with winning in 2004. He stole that election just like he stole the previous one.

quaker bill

(8,223 posts)
21. Here is the difference
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:35 PM
Apr 2012

Gore beat Bush in the county where I live by 2200 votes. Kerry beat Bush in the county where I live by 1900 votes. Obama beat McCain in the county where I live by 85,000 votes. Kerry could not find his voters. I worked for the Gore and Kerry campaigns doing phone banking and gotv, my wife volunteered for Kerry for 3 months full time. I know what I am talking about because I was there.

Obama geocoded his voters and got them to the polls. He will do this again.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. I agree 100% I also will always believe Florida was rigged 100%. I will always wonder, back
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:18 PM
Apr 2012

in those horrible days after Nov 2004, there were so many here who were trying to
figure out what happened. There was a girl, with statistics background who was SO
close to figuring out the pattern of fraud. She had gotten it down to Gore's 2000
numbers plus a factor. The last time I read her post she said she was working
through more numbers. Never, ever heard from her again. I posted time and time
again, asking if anyone knew her or had heard from her. Nothing. This was someone
who posted all day everyday during that time. We were all glued to DU day and night.

I will always wonder what happened to her. Perhaps a fatal accident - coincidentally
on the night she was breaking the code?

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